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Swedish physicists run the site Ecat.com
Ny Teknik ^ | Nov 18 2011 | Mats Lewan

Posted on 11/18/2011 9:04:36 PM PST by Kevmo


Swedish physicists run the site Ecat.com
Av: Mats Lewan
Publicerad igår, 14:04
UPDATED. Four Swedish entrepreneurs, two of them particle physicists, run the site Ecat.com which since a couple of days takes pre-orders for Andrea Rossi’s E-cat. Ny Teknik got an interview”.



Ny Teknik can now confirm that a British company, Hydrofusion, is behind the website Ecat.com which launched with full content on November 16, 2011”.

The site was anonymous at launch, but Andrea Rossi, the inventor of the E-cat, stated that the website represented his North Europe commercial branch”.

Hydrofusion is run by four Swedish entrepreneurs – CEO Magnus Holm, Niclas Sandström who is operations manager in the UK, sales manager Peter La Terra and Stefan Helgesson who is a web strategist”.

Magnus Holm has a D.Tech and Niclas Sandström a PhD in elementary particle physics at Chalmers University of Technology in Gothenburg”.

NyT: Magnus Holm, what is the purpose of the site Ecat.com?
Holm: “The aim is to be a portal to all stakeholders regarding the E-cat. In particular, we want to be as officially linked to Rossi as possible in order to capture as much commercial interest as possible through Ecat.com.”
NyT: What is your contract with Andrea Rossi?
Holm: “I can’t go into details yet”“.

NyT: Why did you start this venture?
Holm: “I had noticed the discussion on Rossi at the end of 2010. I usually laugh at most of what is called “free energy”, but the difference with cold fusion is that it definitely is an exothermic reaction (it releases energy if it happens). So we followed the test in Bologna in January 2011 on the web. And when Ny Teknik started to report, we began to look seriously at it. Then when Kullander and Essén wrote their report from Bologna in March, it had become so likely that it was real that we decided to start a venture. There was too much supporting it – all researchers who actually looked at the technology thought that it worked.”
NyT: What did you do then?
Holm: “We started by developing a web strategy in order to sell these products online.”
NyT: How did you get in touch with Rossi?
Holm: “We met him at the Defkalion press conference in Athens, Greece, in June 2011 and then booked a meeting with him later on. We had already tried to contact Defkalion which at that time had a contract with Rossi, but never received a response. Then we met with Rossi in Uppsala in July and told him about our plans and he thought it sounded interesting. Eventually we got a verbal agreement and later a letter of intent. In the meantime, we built a structure on the web.”
NyT: There is great skepticism about Rossi’s technology. How do comment on that?
Holm: “Until he makes an independent test, there is obviously a small chance that it does not work. We are willing to take that risk because it’s such an amazing technology if it works. Further support that it’s real comes from the fact that all independent physicists who have observed the tests are positive, and have expressed belief in the mechanism. I do not have much sympathy for the crowd of skeptics who insist in spending substantial time and energy, just to be able to boast a ‘what did I say’ if it should turn out to be wrong.”
NyT: How is this different from other things you are skeptical to?
Holm: “There are so many quacks in all subjects but often it shines through. Quacks know nothing, they learn a few words but they are not even mathematically consistent. But if a person comes with a theory, sets up his axioms, does the math correctly, then it is proper research and have the right to come forward.”
NyT: You have already been accused of contributing to fraud. What is your comment?
Holm: “We are not engaged in any deception, and I do not think Rossi is engaged in any fraud either. If it would turn out that it does not work, in spite of everything, I would think it is about self-deception. I believe it works. It seems strange that Focardi who has done research in this area for over 15 years and helped Rossi for four years, might have measured wrong during the entire period. It seems unlikely. However, this does of course not mean that you’ll obtain a final product that works. But fraud requires intent and I think that can be excluded. Rossi does not talk about advance of money, which could lead to suspicions of fraud. Perhaps he could deliver a product that does not work and then you can end up in schism on that, but this does not mean fraud. From our side there is in any case no attempt of fraud.”
NyT: How will you ensure that the products work before you sell them?
Holm: “This is a difficult question as it’s Rossi’s responsibility that the product works. We only act as agents. But because there are powerful forces who want to argue that it’s all about fraud, we will make one or more of the following to prove our honesty”.

1. Explain the risk with such a premature product to the customer and ensure that customers are forced only to take a minimal financial risk”.

2. Try to arrange a complete product testing before any payment is made”.

3. Ensure that all payments are done through an escrow account with a full refund if the products do not meet the specifications”.

4. Through potential funding move the financial risk from the customer to Hydrofusion”.

5. Arrange an independent reactor test as a reference that in all cases the core process works”.

The real risk is only with the first product sales. Rossi will have to correct until the first product is operating and it will then be a reference. When the first product works, the risk with the next one is greatly reduced.”
NyT: You are now taking pre-orders. When do you think you can offer commercial products?
Holm: “It's hard to say, but if the core technology works it should be possible to start mass production within one to two years. Test products can be delivered very soon, though.”
NyT: When do you think rival products will arrive?
Holm: “I think it will explode sooner or later. In a best case for Rossi, I think it takes three years from when he has serial products on the market. In a worst case it takes two to three years from now. Then he will compete against the others now. And in that case, if he doesn't have commercial products on the market within two to three years, the one with the best product and the best marketing resources will win the market, especially for consumer products. For industrial products a good network is also important to quickly gain market.”
NyT: Which do you expect to be the first applications?
Holm: “Energy in district heating systems and desalination of water. After that electricity generation on a large scale. For consumer products, security requirements are completely different and also requirements for reliability to avoid that service costs go out of control, so they will arrive further ahead.”
NyT: Whathas the response been so far?
Holm: “Far better than expected”“.

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UPDATE: Members of the Hydrofusion team were present at the October 6 test of the Ecat and the October 28 test of the heat plant. They also met with Rossi for a private demonstration of the Ecat at the end of July”.

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READ MORE: Our complete coverage on Rossi's E-cat can be found here“.

FAKTA The E-cat
The 'energy catalyzer' is loaded with nickel powder and a number of secret catalysts and is pressurized with hydrogen gas. Excess heat is possibly produced via an unknown nuclear reaction, involving nickel and hydrogen”.

Several semipublic tests have been made to demonstrate the release of net energy but no independent tests have yet been done”.

On October 28, 2011, a heat plant composed by 107 Ecat modules was tested by an anonymous customer. In a report the customer claimed a released net power of 479 kW in self sustained mode”.






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http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3347150.ece

The Cold Fusion Ping List

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles -------------------------------------------------------------- http://ecatnews.com/?p=1144

Unfortunately, if Rossi did the following:

1) hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps,

2) created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos,

3) bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos

4) arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real,

5) got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field,

6) got Bushnell to make a fool of himself,

7) and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum ----- or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow,

8) sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; ----- certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device ----- and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan

9) and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion ----- to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, ----- to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam

[the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars ----- until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table ----- because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes ----- and knows that they will just take his word for it ----- and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) ]

10) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out

then, yes, all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses.

1 posted on 11/18/2011 9:04:44 PM PST by Kevmo
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To: dangerdoc; citizen; Lancey Howard; Liberty1970; Red Badger; Wonder Warthog; PA Engineer; ...

http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3347150.ece

The Cold Fusion Ping List

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles


2 posted on 11/18/2011 9:05:39 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: All; y'all; et al

add two particle physicists to the circle of supposed conspirators


3 posted on 11/18/2011 9:07:48 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

It’s still voodoo until it’s been reverse engineered.


4 posted on 11/18/2011 9:11:49 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: Kevmo

It is all about fraud.


5 posted on 11/18/2011 9:28:09 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

It is all about fraud.
***Sure. Add 2 more particle phycisists to the lists of fraudsters /s


6 posted on 11/18/2011 9:32:32 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Then buy one, and reverse engineer it.


7 posted on 11/18/2011 9:32:59 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

Wanna make sure I got one of the magic ones.


8 posted on 11/18/2011 9:40:47 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic.


9 posted on 11/18/2011 9:48:06 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo
Add two more? Not so fast...

they spoke of being somewhat convinced, hopeful, but saying things like:

So these guys are intrigued enough to put themselves forward as facilitators, but with stated caveats putting all responsibility onto Rossi and potential buyers.

Sure, why not? There's been enough time and water passing under the various bridges since Fleischmann–Pons, that as long as they hold their mouths right, there is only small risk to their own reputations --- with the possibility they may be getting in on the ground floor of a significant discovery.

Just don't try to pawn off onto freepers here this latest action concerning a couple of Swiss physicists, their "interests", and actions to move quickly on building a marketing plan they *might* be able to make some easy money with, as being a ringing endorsement.

Because it's not.

10 posted on 11/18/2011 10:22:08 PM PST by 7MMmag
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To: 7MMmag

enough to put themselves forward as facilitators
***That’s all anyone else has been saying all along. So add 2 more to the conspiracy.


11 posted on 11/18/2011 10:30:03 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: None

Just another example of ‘when you dont believe in anything, then you’ll fall for anything’. I’ll bet a grounded belief in God, or even a lack of science education, is missing in this equation.
Splat!


12 posted on 11/18/2011 11:06:07 PM PST by RBIEL2
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To: Kevmo

In your (fevered, juvenile) dreams.

Meanwhile, or otherwise, the device just might work.

Now quit pooping (and TROLLING) in your own opening comments. It's infuriating...

But that's the plan, isn't it? It's working like a charm. You win again(!)

13 posted on 11/19/2011 12:06:08 AM PST by 7MMmag
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To: 7MMmag

Your writing is schizophrenic.


14 posted on 11/19/2011 1:08:42 AM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo
Yet another company formed just to hype Rossi's gadget, with nothing more than a web site and a mail drop (actually, they don't even have a mail drop). But they do have an "Investor Relations" link!

I find it interesting that the only company that has any existence prior to "signing up" with Rossi is the German company that is currently "selling" perpetual motion machines.

If Rossi's gadget actually worked, his partners would be companies like G.E. or Westinghouse (or maybe Google).

15 posted on 11/19/2011 2:08:30 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Kevmo

How interesting, that after all this time, the discussion is STILL focussed on trying to convince people that Rossi’s device is legitimate.

The PCR technique has revolutionized the biological sciences. Yet, I don’t remember that Kary Mullis spent inordinate amounts of time giving unconvincing demonstrations of his technique, attempting to convince people that PCR is real, and to buy his PCR machines.

Could the big difference here be that Kary Mullis actually had strong scientific evidence, repeatable by anyone with access to lab supplies and equipment—while Rossi has yet to offer ANY scientific evidence, and carefully protects any details that might allow independent verification of his process?

Hmm.

P.S. For the benefit of non-biologists, Kary Mullis won the Nobel Prize for inventing PCR, which is used by life scientists and in clinical laboratories worldwide.


16 posted on 11/19/2011 5:47:38 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Kevmo

http://patents.justia.com/1997/05674632.html

Of interest. No time to post this myself. Ping to CF list

Subject: Brian Ahearn


17 posted on 11/19/2011 7:21:03 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

Powder..patch..ball FIRE!

Excellent link! Thanks!


18 posted on 11/19/2011 7:52:20 AM PST by BallandPowder
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To: Kevmo
If there is any problem with writing around here, it's with your own in trying to cram these Swiss opportunists into your pathetic "conspiracy" thesis (which you have taken to posting as opening comment on every new thread you initiate).

But you like setting up these types of conversations, don't you?

The device may prove to work --- or it may not. As even mentioned by these Swiss whom you declare here to be "2 more(!)"

Their own qualifying statements (the caveats I mentioned and allude to above) preclude being able to add them to your smug and smirking thesis.

Saying as much is no proof or evidence of schizophrenia.

My own mental state concerning all of this, is besides the point, regardless.

If you, yourself were actually trying to promote rational discussion, leaving your own personal feelings, emotion, and the over-weening need to get back at the skeptics aside, you wouldn't come across as having the maturity level reminiscent of teenage skate punk.

What I'm trying to say is DROP the smug conspiracy thesis. We've seen it over-and-over. Repeating it ad nauseum doesn't plug the holes which have been in it, and have been pointed out to exist in it, from it's inception.

In other words, grow up.

19 posted on 11/19/2011 10:59:18 AM PST by 7MMmag
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To: Kevmo
[S]

Color me impressed. Hydrofusion is involved now, seriously, hydrofusion? How many people do they employ in England alone let alone globally?

I looked and I found that they employ an incredible amount of people.

From my admittedly hasty research, I've found out how many people they employ:


FOUR


I do hope I'm wrong. I hope this is a genuine business to distribute and install the ECAT and until now, never really had a need for a web presence. However, unless my data is wrong, this appears to be nothing more than another shell company. Someone, prove me wrong?

Here's their website:
Hydrofusion

Here's where they say they are opening a new branch:
New Office!
If they really are building a site in Sweden, or as they say, Opening a New Branch then they think they've got something. Does Sweden allow lay people to access permits, architectural drawings as well as the engineering/architecture drawings from the firm they are going to use? Does Hydrofusion have other branches and where are they located?

They are also using a quote from Tesla. Is it possible to have an appeal to authority beyond the grave..?

It also appears that they thought long and hard about the content to put on their website and besides the pages that canonize Rossi, there's pretty much nothing there. I like this minimalist approach, it's very clean. Dr. Judy Wood could learn a thing or two,

Observe what a ten year old with a copy of Front Page can do:

Dr. Wood

I apologize for that, your eyes will return to normal in a few minutes.
Please note: Dr. Judy Woods has nothing, no relation to Rossi that I'm aware of. I use her site to show what, in my opinion, is one of the busiest (not traffic, content) and worse looking site around. The Hydrofusion site is a Rembrandt compared to her site.

It also appears, in typical Rossi fashion, he piggybacks on the name of a successful company or technology. Now it won't solve the unemployment strategy but it's a start.

Kevmo, you never responded to this post, granted it was only pinged to WW:

Fusion Thread

What, no comment, no aves references?

We are getting near the point where we learn whether:
1) Rossi has literally changed the world forever and for good. I'd put that on my C.V. if I were him
2) Rossi has had good intentions but was blinded by test bias where he saw what he was looking for.
3) Rossi deliberately set out to scam people.

While I believe #3 is the answer, to carry out a scam of this magnitude would be as amazing as a working Ecat.

 

I'm sure when all this settles out, there will be a book about it.

20 posted on 11/19/2011 11:52:27 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Kevmo
Any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic.

That's clever.

Do you know what the difference between plagiarism and citing someone's work? I didn't think so.

21 posted on 11/19/2011 1:01:19 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: exDemMom

That’s nice that the PCR technique was accepted by scientists. The tectonic plate theory wasn’t. It took decades for scientists to accept it, and most of that was due to the dictum that the scientists who were against it basically died off and a new generation of people were more open minded. Similar thing happened to LENR. Rossi’s device is just the latest development in LENR.


22 posted on 11/20/2011 7:39:14 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: 7MMmag

What I’m trying to say is DROP the smug conspiracy thesis.
***Just as soon as the seagulls & naysayers drop the conspiracy theory.

At least there was more clarity in your post this time. T4BTT


23 posted on 11/20/2011 7:42:39 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Lx

However, unless my data is wrong, this appears to be nothing more than another shell company. Someone, prove me wrong?
***When Microsoft first started, how many employees did they have? Two. These guys are already twice as big as Microsoft was when they started... ;-)


24 posted on 11/20/2011 7:45:32 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Lx

If they really are building a site in Sweden, or as they say, Opening a New Branch then they think they’ve got something. Does Sweden allow lay people to access permits, architectural drawings as well as the engineering/architecture drawings from the firm they are going to use? Does Hydrofusion have other branches and where are they located?
***None of this rinky dink stuff matters.

They are also using a quote from Tesla. Is it possible to have an appeal to authority beyond the grave..?
***Yes. But they aren’t in a debate, they’re setting up a business. Those are 2 different worlds with 2 completely different sets of rules.

It also appears that they thought long and hard about the content to put on their website and besides the pages that canonize Rossi, there’s pretty much nothing there. I like this minimalist approach, it’s very clean. Dr. Judy Wood could learn a thing or two,
***You are very long winded, full of sound and fury, but in the end it signifies nothing.

Observe what a ten year old with a copy of Front Page can do:

Dr. Wood
***Not really within the realm of stuff I care about.


25 posted on 11/20/2011 7:49:36 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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26 posted on 11/20/2011 7:50:16 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Lx

Kevmo, you never responded to this post, granted it was only pinged to WW:
***It’s too long winded, full of sound & fury, you know the rest.


27 posted on 11/20/2011 7:51:05 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Lx

We are getting near the point where we learn whether:
1) Rossi has literally changed the world forever and for good. I’d put that on my C.V. if I were him
2) Rossi has had good intentions but was blinded by test bias where he saw what he was looking for.
3) Rossi deliberately set out to scam people.

While I believe #3 is the answer,
***And I believe there is some science worth pursuing here.

to carry out a scam of this magnitude would be as amazing as a working Ecat.
***Exactly. Also the reason why I keep posting about this stuff, because it’s fascinating even if it is a scam. How is it that some supposedly failed businessman/engineer is so good at acting?


28 posted on 11/20/2011 7:54:04 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Lx

Do you know what the difference between plagiarism and citing someone’s work? I didn’t think so.

***The Fusion Revolution
Sunday, November 20, 2011 7:30:40 PM · 321 of 322
Kevmo to dinodino
You keep using that word, but I don’t think it means what you think it means.

***You hint elsewhere that when I use the phrase “sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic” that I’m plagiarizing because I do not cite the source of the phrase, which by now is a cliche. Here you do exactly what you claim against me by yanking a line from “The Princess Bride”. You are disingenuous to say the least.

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29 posted on 11/20/2011 7:56:08 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: dinodino; Lx

Sorry about that dinodino, I thought you were the one who posted the comment to me.


30 posted on 11/20/2011 7:57:00 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo
Where did I quote anything from The Princess Bride?

A great flick by the way even if it was directed by meathead.

31 posted on 11/20/2011 9:04:19 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Kevmo
Son, you ain't right. Take a look at your post #1, you keep recycling the same thing after quoting an article by Mats Lewan who believes what anyone tells him.

Then you have the nerve to say this:

***You are very long winded, full of sound and fury, but in the end it signifies nothing.

And again, you plagiarize someone although this is in common use and even Faulkner used some of it in the title to one of the world's worse books ever. The sad part is you don't know where it's from.

32 posted on 11/20/2011 9:14:12 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx

You’re the only guy I’ve come across who claims plagiarism from cliches. You’re the one who aint right.

Life’s ... a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Macbeth Act 5, scene 5


33 posted on 11/20/2011 9:18:52 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo
NyT: What is your contract with Andrea Rossi?

Holm: “I can’t go into details yet”“.

That's OK. The details will come out during the trial.

34 posted on 11/20/2011 9:24:22 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

This will be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62

This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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35 posted on 11/20/2011 9:36:27 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

You learned how to use Wikipedia, congratulations.


36 posted on 11/20/2011 9:56:24 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx

That’s in Wikipedia?

You seem a bit overwrought regarding this issue of plagiarizing simple cliches that Americans use every day. Maybe you should add more bran to your diet.


37 posted on 11/20/2011 9:58:36 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Lx

To be so pester’d with a popinjay!
Henry IV Part 1, 1. 3


38 posted on 11/20/2011 9:59:44 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: 7MMmag
In other words, grow up.

Amazing. One person telling another to grow up. On an internet blog.

How deliciously juvenile of you.

39 posted on 11/21/2011 6:03:50 AM PST by citizen (Romney and Perry and Cain! Oh my! All are leagues better than Comrade Obama.)
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To: Kevmo
In extremely droll tone:

Bravo, you've learned to cut and paste Shakespeare. I notice you've yet to clear up that little error of yours where you said I plagiarized from The Princess Bride

Now if only you'd learn to quote someone properly so it's easier to follow your posts but, I guess you're too busy cheer leading for Rossi.

40 posted on 11/21/2011 8:22:54 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Kevmo

Ya know, Kevmo, I expected my additions to the flat-earthers list would begin to wane as the evidences continued to favor the e-cat but no, new, strident skeptics continue to chime in with 100% certainty.


41 posted on 11/21/2011 10:18:07 AM PST by citizen (Romney and Perry and Cain! Oh my! All are leagues better than Comrade Obama.)
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To: citizen
Ya know, Kevmo, I expected my additions to the flat-earthers list would begin to wane as the evidences continued to favor the e-cat but no, new, strident skeptics continue to chime in with 100% certainty.

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42 posted on 11/21/2011 10:26:17 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: Kevmo
The tectonic plate theory wasn’t. It took decades for scientists to accept it, and most of that was due to the dictum that the scientists who were against it basically died off and a new generation of people were more open minded.

There are a few key differences here.

The theory of plate tectonics was developed by actual scientists who understood the physical basis of the observations they used to develop the theory. Rossi is not a scientist, and has not demonstrated that he understands anything of the physical principles he claims to be applying here.

Scientists who have developed theories which are slow to be accepted (and there are actually a few examples of that) never try to hide the data; they make it available for anyone to inspect. They also describe their methods so that other scientists can replicate the experiment and verify the data for themselves. Rossi has been ultra-secretive, has not performed a single experiment that would support his claims, and will not allow others to do those experiments. He could do a lot to silence skeptics simply by doing a few simple experiments and allowing independent researchers to test his device.

Anyone can claim to have achieved anything. Without evidence, such claims are meaningless.

43 posted on 11/21/2011 12:31:45 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom

There are a few key differences here. The theory of plate tectonics was developed by actual scientists who understood the physical basis of the observations they used to develop the theory.
***Pons & Fleishmann were scientists. That didn’t stop others from running them out of town.

Rossi is not a scientist,
***No, he’s just a LENR researcher that folks like you have been naysaying at for over 22 years.

and has not demonstrated that he understands anything of the physical principles he claims to be applying here.
***He’s in the business of selling ecats now. He does not have to demonstrate understanding. Do you understand fire?


44 posted on 11/21/2011 6:21:54 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: exDemMom

Scientists who have developed theories which are slow to be accepted (and there are actually a few examples of that) never try to hide the data; they make it available for anyone to inspect.
***You said yourself that Rossi is not a scientist. Why do you hold him up to a scientific standard rather than a business standard?


45 posted on 11/21/2011 6:24:30 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: exDemMom

They also describe their methods so that other scientists can replicate the experiment and verify the data for themselves.
***The Pons-Fleishmann effect was replicated more than 14,700 times before Rossi even got started.

Rossi has been ultra-secretive,
***Like a business man hiding a trade secret

has not performed a single experiment that would support his claims,
***Gosh, those multiple demos throughout the year obviously showed nothing, and the reason why we’re here discussing them is because it was so unconvincing to everyone nearby /s

and will not allow others to do those experiments.
***He’ll be sending units to Uppsala and Unibo. Why should he be in a hurry to have his trade secrets revealed?

He could do a lot to silence skeptics
***He seems to have little desire to silence skeptics in any way other than selling units.

simply by doing a few simple experiments and allowing independent researchers to test his device.
***Independent researchers can buy his units, so this is becoming a non-issue.

Anyone can claim to have achieved anything. Without evidence, such claims are meaningless.
***Then why bother even coming onto such a meaningless thread? Your actions do not match up with your words.


46 posted on 11/21/2011 6:30:11 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: citizen

I wish I could get them to put their money where their mouth is.

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47 posted on 11/21/2011 6:34:03 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: citizen; Kevmo
Amazing.

Nothing amazing about it. He's been warned by moderators here numerous times, as much for attitude & style, as anything else. Now he's trying to triumphantly crow about '2 More' to add to the little conspiracy story which he tacks on as opening comment of each thread he posts.

Kevmo is using that as an opening gambit to deflect critique, apparently trying to create the impression that all doubts about Rossi fit neatly into the "conpiracy theory". As such, it's a bit of a strawman, set up for the purposes of it being convenient to knock down.

These latest additional "2" have left room for reasonable doubt, acknowledging that the testing so far has fallen somewhat short of being exclusively satisfactory.

Since they admit as much, even as they say they "believe" the device works, why try to include them as increased justification for sneering at any whom dare express reservation or doubt, other than the fact that it obviously plays into the defense of Kevmo's own pathology concerning his history of posting here on FR in regard to Rossi's Ecat?

Baiting each thread at the beginning, sneering at those whom have disagreed with him in the past (on other threads) either rightly or wrongly, is indeed rather juvenile.

My own attempts to publicly administer something of a mild spanking to the offender, which you term juvenile itself, & find deliciously ironic, are perhaps not so much childish, as ultimately being a "fools errand". I'll grant you that.

What you may not grasp, is that the freeper going by the handle of "Kevmo", is not my sole intended target, for I have no real hope of getting much of anything through his own thick defense mechanisms, although he may surprise me.

The incessantly repeated behavior, the posture/attitude expressed in his methodology here (for which he has received admonishment for before) is what I'm voicing objection to.

The "conspiracy theory" opening sneer, is just the opening monologue "seagull" crap [which has previously been banned] dressed up in different clothes.

48 posted on 11/21/2011 6:41:46 PM PST by 7MMmag (...whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do,when they disagree with you?)
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To: Lx

You’re wound up way too tight. Focusing on this minor stuff is prime evidence of that.

Thou wilt fall backward when thou hast more wit.
Romeo and Juliet, 1. 1


49 posted on 11/21/2011 6:44:43 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo
The Pons-Fleishmann effect was replicated more than 14,700 times before Rossi even got started.

How many of Dr. He's count used Rossi's method?

50 posted on 11/21/2011 6:46:46 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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