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Swedish physicists run the site Ecat.com
Ny Teknik ^ | Nov 18 2011 | Mats Lewan

Posted on 11/18/2011 9:04:36 PM PST by Kevmo


Swedish physicists run the site Ecat.com
Av: Mats Lewan
Publicerad igår, 14:04
UPDATED. Four Swedish entrepreneurs, two of them particle physicists, run the site Ecat.com which since a couple of days takes pre-orders for Andrea Rossi’s E-cat. Ny Teknik got an interview”.



Ny Teknik can now confirm that a British company, Hydrofusion, is behind the website Ecat.com which launched with full content on November 16, 2011”.

The site was anonymous at launch, but Andrea Rossi, the inventor of the E-cat, stated that the website represented his North Europe commercial branch”.

Hydrofusion is run by four Swedish entrepreneurs – CEO Magnus Holm, Niclas Sandström who is operations manager in the UK, sales manager Peter La Terra and Stefan Helgesson who is a web strategist”.

Magnus Holm has a D.Tech and Niclas Sandström a PhD in elementary particle physics at Chalmers University of Technology in Gothenburg”.

NyT: Magnus Holm, what is the purpose of the site Ecat.com?
Holm: “The aim is to be a portal to all stakeholders regarding the E-cat. In particular, we want to be as officially linked to Rossi as possible in order to capture as much commercial interest as possible through Ecat.com.”
NyT: What is your contract with Andrea Rossi?
Holm: “I can’t go into details yet”“.

NyT: Why did you start this venture?
Holm: “I had noticed the discussion on Rossi at the end of 2010. I usually laugh at most of what is called “free energy”, but the difference with cold fusion is that it definitely is an exothermic reaction (it releases energy if it happens). So we followed the test in Bologna in January 2011 on the web. And when Ny Teknik started to report, we began to look seriously at it. Then when Kullander and Essén wrote their report from Bologna in March, it had become so likely that it was real that we decided to start a venture. There was too much supporting it – all researchers who actually looked at the technology thought that it worked.”
NyT: What did you do then?
Holm: “We started by developing a web strategy in order to sell these products online.”
NyT: How did you get in touch with Rossi?
Holm: “We met him at the Defkalion press conference in Athens, Greece, in June 2011 and then booked a meeting with him later on. We had already tried to contact Defkalion which at that time had a contract with Rossi, but never received a response. Then we met with Rossi in Uppsala in July and told him about our plans and he thought it sounded interesting. Eventually we got a verbal agreement and later a letter of intent. In the meantime, we built a structure on the web.”
NyT: There is great skepticism about Rossi’s technology. How do comment on that?
Holm: “Until he makes an independent test, there is obviously a small chance that it does not work. We are willing to take that risk because it’s such an amazing technology if it works. Further support that it’s real comes from the fact that all independent physicists who have observed the tests are positive, and have expressed belief in the mechanism. I do not have much sympathy for the crowd of skeptics who insist in spending substantial time and energy, just to be able to boast a ‘what did I say’ if it should turn out to be wrong.”
NyT: How is this different from other things you are skeptical to?
Holm: “There are so many quacks in all subjects but often it shines through. Quacks know nothing, they learn a few words but they are not even mathematically consistent. But if a person comes with a theory, sets up his axioms, does the math correctly, then it is proper research and have the right to come forward.”
NyT: You have already been accused of contributing to fraud. What is your comment?
Holm: “We are not engaged in any deception, and I do not think Rossi is engaged in any fraud either. If it would turn out that it does not work, in spite of everything, I would think it is about self-deception. I believe it works. It seems strange that Focardi who has done research in this area for over 15 years and helped Rossi for four years, might have measured wrong during the entire period. It seems unlikely. However, this does of course not mean that you’ll obtain a final product that works. But fraud requires intent and I think that can be excluded. Rossi does not talk about advance of money, which could lead to suspicions of fraud. Perhaps he could deliver a product that does not work and then you can end up in schism on that, but this does not mean fraud. From our side there is in any case no attempt of fraud.”
NyT: How will you ensure that the products work before you sell them?
Holm: “This is a difficult question as it’s Rossi’s responsibility that the product works. We only act as agents. But because there are powerful forces who want to argue that it’s all about fraud, we will make one or more of the following to prove our honesty”.

1. Explain the risk with such a premature product to the customer and ensure that customers are forced only to take a minimal financial risk”.

2. Try to arrange a complete product testing before any payment is made”.

3. Ensure that all payments are done through an escrow account with a full refund if the products do not meet the specifications”.

4. Through potential funding move the financial risk from the customer to Hydrofusion”.

5. Arrange an independent reactor test as a reference that in all cases the core process works”.

The real risk is only with the first product sales. Rossi will have to correct until the first product is operating and it will then be a reference. When the first product works, the risk with the next one is greatly reduced.”
NyT: You are now taking pre-orders. When do you think you can offer commercial products?
Holm: “It's hard to say, but if the core technology works it should be possible to start mass production within one to two years. Test products can be delivered very soon, though.”
NyT: When do you think rival products will arrive?
Holm: “I think it will explode sooner or later. In a best case for Rossi, I think it takes three years from when he has serial products on the market. In a worst case it takes two to three years from now. Then he will compete against the others now. And in that case, if he doesn't have commercial products on the market within two to three years, the one with the best product and the best marketing resources will win the market, especially for consumer products. For industrial products a good network is also important to quickly gain market.”
NyT: Which do you expect to be the first applications?
Holm: “Energy in district heating systems and desalination of water. After that electricity generation on a large scale. For consumer products, security requirements are completely different and also requirements for reliability to avoid that service costs go out of control, so they will arrive further ahead.”
NyT: Whathas the response been so far?
Holm: “Far better than expected”“.

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UPDATE: Members of the Hydrofusion team were present at the October 6 test of the Ecat and the October 28 test of the heat plant. They also met with Rossi for a private demonstration of the Ecat at the end of July”.

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READ MORE: Our complete coverage on Rossi's E-cat can be found here“.

FAKTA The E-cat
The 'energy catalyzer' is loaded with nickel powder and a number of secret catalysts and is pressurized with hydrogen gas. Excess heat is possibly produced via an unknown nuclear reaction, involving nickel and hydrogen”.

Several semipublic tests have been made to demonstrate the release of net energy but no independent tests have yet been done”.

On October 28, 2011, a heat plant composed by 107 Ecat modules was tested by an anonymous customer. In a report the customer claimed a released net power of 479 kW in self sustained mode”.






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To: Kevmo

Ya know, Kevmo, I expected my additions to the flat-earthers list would begin to wane as the evidences continued to favor the e-cat but no, new, strident skeptics continue to chime in with 100% certainty.


41 posted on 11/21/2011 10:18:07 AM PST by citizen (Romney and Perry and Cain! Oh my! All are leagues better than Comrade Obama.)
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To: citizen
Ya know, Kevmo, I expected my additions to the flat-earthers list would begin to wane as the evidences continued to favor the e-cat but no, new, strident skeptics continue to chime in with 100% certainty.

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42 posted on 11/21/2011 10:26:17 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: Kevmo
The tectonic plate theory wasn’t. It took decades for scientists to accept it, and most of that was due to the dictum that the scientists who were against it basically died off and a new generation of people were more open minded.

There are a few key differences here.

The theory of plate tectonics was developed by actual scientists who understood the physical basis of the observations they used to develop the theory. Rossi is not a scientist, and has not demonstrated that he understands anything of the physical principles he claims to be applying here.

Scientists who have developed theories which are slow to be accepted (and there are actually a few examples of that) never try to hide the data; they make it available for anyone to inspect. They also describe their methods so that other scientists can replicate the experiment and verify the data for themselves. Rossi has been ultra-secretive, has not performed a single experiment that would support his claims, and will not allow others to do those experiments. He could do a lot to silence skeptics simply by doing a few simple experiments and allowing independent researchers to test his device.

Anyone can claim to have achieved anything. Without evidence, such claims are meaningless.

43 posted on 11/21/2011 12:31:45 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom

There are a few key differences here. The theory of plate tectonics was developed by actual scientists who understood the physical basis of the observations they used to develop the theory.
***Pons & Fleishmann were scientists. That didn’t stop others from running them out of town.

Rossi is not a scientist,
***No, he’s just a LENR researcher that folks like you have been naysaying at for over 22 years.

and has not demonstrated that he understands anything of the physical principles he claims to be applying here.
***He’s in the business of selling ecats now. He does not have to demonstrate understanding. Do you understand fire?


44 posted on 11/21/2011 6:21:54 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: exDemMom

Scientists who have developed theories which are slow to be accepted (and there are actually a few examples of that) never try to hide the data; they make it available for anyone to inspect.
***You said yourself that Rossi is not a scientist. Why do you hold him up to a scientific standard rather than a business standard?


45 posted on 11/21/2011 6:24:30 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: exDemMom

They also describe their methods so that other scientists can replicate the experiment and verify the data for themselves.
***The Pons-Fleishmann effect was replicated more than 14,700 times before Rossi even got started.

Rossi has been ultra-secretive,
***Like a business man hiding a trade secret

has not performed a single experiment that would support his claims,
***Gosh, those multiple demos throughout the year obviously showed nothing, and the reason why we’re here discussing them is because it was so unconvincing to everyone nearby /s

and will not allow others to do those experiments.
***He’ll be sending units to Uppsala and Unibo. Why should he be in a hurry to have his trade secrets revealed?

He could do a lot to silence skeptics
***He seems to have little desire to silence skeptics in any way other than selling units.

simply by doing a few simple experiments and allowing independent researchers to test his device.
***Independent researchers can buy his units, so this is becoming a non-issue.

Anyone can claim to have achieved anything. Without evidence, such claims are meaningless.
***Then why bother even coming onto such a meaningless thread? Your actions do not match up with your words.


46 posted on 11/21/2011 6:30:11 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: citizen

I wish I could get them to put their money where their mouth is.

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47 posted on 11/21/2011 6:34:03 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: citizen; Kevmo
Amazing.

Nothing amazing about it. He's been warned by moderators here numerous times, as much for attitude & style, as anything else. Now he's trying to triumphantly crow about '2 More' to add to the little conspiracy story which he tacks on as opening comment of each thread he posts.

Kevmo is using that as an opening gambit to deflect critique, apparently trying to create the impression that all doubts about Rossi fit neatly into the "conpiracy theory". As such, it's a bit of a strawman, set up for the purposes of it being convenient to knock down.

These latest additional "2" have left room for reasonable doubt, acknowledging that the testing so far has fallen somewhat short of being exclusively satisfactory.

Since they admit as much, even as they say they "believe" the device works, why try to include them as increased justification for sneering at any whom dare express reservation or doubt, other than the fact that it obviously plays into the defense of Kevmo's own pathology concerning his history of posting here on FR in regard to Rossi's Ecat?

Baiting each thread at the beginning, sneering at those whom have disagreed with him in the past (on other threads) either rightly or wrongly, is indeed rather juvenile.

My own attempts to publicly administer something of a mild spanking to the offender, which you term juvenile itself, & find deliciously ironic, are perhaps not so much childish, as ultimately being a "fools errand". I'll grant you that.

What you may not grasp, is that the freeper going by the handle of "Kevmo", is not my sole intended target, for I have no real hope of getting much of anything through his own thick defense mechanisms, although he may surprise me.

The incessantly repeated behavior, the posture/attitude expressed in his methodology here (for which he has received admonishment for before) is what I'm voicing objection to.

The "conspiracy theory" opening sneer, is just the opening monologue "seagull" crap [which has previously been banned] dressed up in different clothes.

48 posted on 11/21/2011 6:41:46 PM PST by 7MMmag (...whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do,when they disagree with you?)
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To: Lx

You’re wound up way too tight. Focusing on this minor stuff is prime evidence of that.

Thou wilt fall backward when thou hast more wit.
Romeo and Juliet, 1. 1


49 posted on 11/21/2011 6:44:43 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo
The Pons-Fleishmann effect was replicated more than 14,700 times before Rossi even got started.

How many of Dr. He's count used Rossi's method?

50 posted on 11/21/2011 6:46:46 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo
Focusing on this minor stuff is prime evidence of that.

You're posts are minor stuff, but you do try to make up for it with quantity.

51 posted on 11/21/2011 6:49:29 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

This will be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62

This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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52 posted on 11/21/2011 6:57:53 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Moonman62

This will be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62

This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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53 posted on 11/21/2011 6:58:49 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: 7MMmag

He’s been warned by moderators here numerous times, as much for attitude & style, as anything else.
***Um, no. I was warned once. I was told to stop the “seagull nonsense” which was deemed a personal attack, even though it is a very apt description of the behavior we’ve been seeing on these threads. Your whole post is filled with such false characterizations. Maybe you’re the one who should grow up.


54 posted on 11/21/2011 7:10:31 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo
I'll let the folks that follow these threads make their own judgment. Seeing as how you fall for folks like Sterling Allen, you're judgement is lacking.

If this thing is real, I'll be happy, being wrong won't bother me but when it's proved a fraud, I'm actually worried for you.

I'm sure you think quoting Shakespeare makes people think you're an intellectual, most people probably think, how pompous; get a sense of humor. At least you're not quoting Faulkner, that's a plus.

55 posted on 11/21/2011 8:00:57 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx

I’ll let the folks that follow these threads make their own judgment.
***Whenever I do that, one of the members of the seagull brigade says that I have imaginary friends, but they never say that when one of you calls in the lurkers.

Tagline used in the past:
Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself


56 posted on 11/21/2011 8:18:55 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo; Lx

You appeal to lurkers as if they’ll somehow accept your shilling for a con man in far greater numbers than those who post. People who follow the threads, which includes people who post are different from lurkers who don’t post at all.


57 posted on 11/21/2011 8:43:15 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

This will be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62

This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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58 posted on 11/21/2011 8:49:00 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Lx

... they never say that when one of you calls in the lurkers.

Almost as if on cue....


59 posted on 11/21/2011 9:04:16 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo
Actually, you WERE warned, after being also asked on numerous occasions by other freepers to please refrain from the seagull intro. The warnings from a moderator came first as bland comments, something like a hint, which you blithely ignored. THEN came the message which included the all caps --- KNOCK IT OFF.

The present opening comment, is much the same as the offensive seagull nonsense, just all dolled up in drag.

It still offends, while having you posture yourself on TOP.

You may wish to hand-wave it all away with calling my own complaints towards your continued style, as being mis-characterization, but it's not working...

The mis-characterization we should really be talking about, is your own, in trying to identify or label your naysayers argument into being limited to being how you yourself attempt to define them, in your opening comments.

That, is a gross mis-charaterization.

I was willing to allow it to pass (since I know it's near futile to try to speak with you, if the 'sense' includes criticism of yourself or Rossi) but your attempt to add the Swiss was just too much.

You should toss the entire intro, Kevmo. Now is the time.

Prove to myself and others you are not heavily into this thing, defending your own past statements and self image, even in a pathological sense, by dropping the copy/paste intro/opening comment.

Here of late, you've kind-of gone a bridge too far with it.

60 posted on 11/22/2011 2:06:29 AM PST by 7MMmag
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