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2 recent Articles focusing on the testing of E-cat
Focus.IT magazine and Vortex-L Mailing List ^ | Nov 19 2011 | various

Posted on 11/20/2011 9:55:18 PM PST by Kevmo

2 recent Articles focusing on the testing of E-cat

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http://www.e-catworld.com/2011/11/rossi-refuses-new-test-offer-confirms-first-customer-as-military-agency-which-has-ordered-13-more-units/

Rossi Refuses New Test Offer, Confirms First Customer as Military Agency Which has Ordered 13 More Units
November 18, 2011
The Italian magazine Focus has published some public correspondence between Andrea Rossi and Dr. Francesco Celani, First Researcher at the Italian National Laboratory of Frascati. Celani has requested that Rossi provide an E-Cat which he, Celani, would put through rigorous and carefully measured week long or more test. Following the testing a scientific report would immediately be written and published.

Rossi politely declined the offer, stating, as he has many times before, that he sees no need to do another public test.”Those who have been following the developments of our adventure for months, like Focus’readers have, know that the critical moment has finally gone: our 1megawat pilot plant persuaded the investors.Soon it will be operative in a real industrial context, and as well as producing thermal power, it will be subject of studies itself. For all the reasons below, i don’t see any point in having another E-Cat test, that, in my opinion, doesn’t need to prove “weather” it works or not.”
It was also confirmed by Rossi that the customer who purchased the first plant was from a military organization, and that this same customer has ordered more units. Rossi said “It will be a 13 MW thermal power plant, consisting of 13 Energy 1MW catalyzers like the one in operation in Bologna on October 28″
Rossi also explains that the work he will be doing with the University of Bologna will go beyond merely testing the E-Cat units — they will be involved in studying the nuclear reaction phenomena with a view to coming to a solid theoretical understanding of what is happening. He said they may even arrive at a new theoretical model.

He writes, “Once we understand the phenomenon, we could discover new, unexpected ways to exploit it, as i believe it will happen. Today, it’s very hard for everyone to imagine an enegetic scenario where fossil fuels are no longer needed, still… i firmly believe that day isn’t that far away.”





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Re: [Vo]:Help in testing a E-Cat
Aussie Guy E-Cat
Sat, 19 Nov 2011 23:33:29 -0800
I intend to use a digital flow rate monitor, inserted into the intake water hose. The data logger will record 16 input and output data points every 100 ms or finer if necessary. Amazing what GB memories can do. Thanks for the lower flow rate and use of a bucket / basin for secondary checking suggestion. Always nice to double check the digitals, being an OLD analog (magazine and technology) man who, when first touching a CK722 transistor, said WTF?

AG


On 11/20/2011 5:51 PM, Robert Leguillon wrote:
For the secondary water flow, use a lower flow rate, creating a higher delta T.
Then, the output flow can be diverted into any basin (and periodically
emptied), with the temperature measured there. You could use a thermocouple
inside of the input water flow for measure, but keep a disconnect in the line
to double-check (by emptying some into a basin as well)

Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:

I have just emailed Rossi with my interest in purchasing a 100 kW E-Cat
plant. I do thank Vortex members (on the forum and privately) for
providing the behind the scenes insight into the history of LENR that
helped to make this decision happen. My bags are ready to be packed,
funds locked down and I'm ready to fly to Bologna to see and test a
E-Cat reactor. What I didn't know or were a bit rusty about in measuring
a E-Cat has been provided by the excellent Vortex forum.


My intention is to pay the funds into a Escrow account, request a test
of a single E-Cat and if that is found to be OK, to proceed to pre
delivery testing the 100 kW plant. Failure of either test to meet a min
COP 6 result would trigger the return of all my Escrowed funds.


I would appreciate suggestions as to the necessary equipment (manuf and
model) you would suggest I would need to make the initial single E-Cat
test measurements. I do have many thermocouples and DVMs with temp
ranges but no flow meters. Does anybody know the manuf and model of the
heat exchanger used in the 6 Oct demo as I plan to use that setup to do
the delta T measurements. I do plan on taking a 16 channel data logger
and digital oscilloscope (both battery powered) to check the input
energy in ALL the wires going into the E-Cat.


From what I have read here, the 2 temp probes should be inserted
through the wall of the water hose feeding the heat exchanges enough so
they are approx central to the water flow, while not touching the inside
wall of the water hose and likewise for the outlet water hose. Is a 45
deg insertion angle acceptable?

AG




Re: [Vo]:Help in testing a E-Cat
Aussie Guy E-Cat
Sun, 20 Nov 2011 04:20:55 -0800
A working and reliable product with back-up and support is everything. I'm a Black Box kind of guy who has been a engineer long enough to know that both devices are very early stage work in progress. I don't expect to see what I would see if I visited ABB or GE. Have opened up a channel to Defkalion.

This could be a good match with a diathermic oil based LENR heat generator: http://www.ge-energy.com/products_and_services/services/oil_and_gas_services/oregen.jsp

AG


On 11/20/2011 10:26 PM, Peter Heckert wrote:
Am 20.11.2011 09:47, schrieb Aussie Guy E-Cat:
Amazing statements. Again with no basis in fact. Just more straw man totally negative spin stuff. I've been a power system engineer for probably longer than you have been alive. I do know how to construct a test of the E-Cat. I have also been used by several patent attorneys and investor groups around Australia to devise tests for OU devices, which I should add the inventors never agreed to.

What information I can share as I move through the process I will share. However that is not the intent of the process. My intent is to make money from the E-Cat.


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To: Johnny B.
I have a lawyer friend. His wife is a CPA. They have DOZENS of companies under which they do business. They answer the phones the same way for each.

This is not unusual particularly where you do not have a high volume of "call ins" (like walk ins at a shopping center).

NO ONE CARES in those cases.

So, they share a phone number in New Hampshire. They seem to do business in Italy and Florida.

41 posted on 11/22/2011 6:56:32 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: ZX12R
If this was designed to deceive then why is it so easy for me to dive in and find them?

Can you imagine how many guys named Andrea Rossi live in New England? Bet some of the old mob families have half a dozen of them each.

They get a drop in New Hampshire just to evade the Massachusetts state police ~ or maybe even the FBI. Some of them are fairy naive about cops. They don't realize the post office has the Postal Inspection Service which is essentially the same thing as all the other federal police agencies.

Once upon a time they had half the Inspectors assigned out to the DEA!

White Pages says there are 71 of these guys with listed non-cell phone numbers in the United States.

42 posted on 11/22/2011 7:05:09 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Can you imagine how many guys named Andrea Rossi live in New England? Bet some of the old mob families have half a dozen of them each.
Nice attempt to try to change the subject.
43 posted on 11/22/2011 7:25:15 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: muawiyah

I guess I’m just noting how convenient it is that Rossi and AmpEnergo were able to put together their big distribution deal without even having to walk down the hallway.


44 posted on 11/22/2011 7:29:08 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: muawiyah

It seems to me you are trying very hard to avoid the simplest explanation to an unknown. Occam’s Razor might be a useful tool here.


45 posted on 11/22/2011 7:30:34 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: Johnny B.
You're the guy claiming you know exactly who this Andrea Rossi is and yet you claimed the same about the old guy and his sister ~ noting the existence of 70 OTHER Andrea Rossi's is quite relevant to this debate.

Frankly, the last time there was a guy with my particular name on this Earth France was Catholic, and the Black Death had yet to happen ~ this guy has 70 doppelgangers already!

46 posted on 11/22/2011 7:33:26 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: ZX12R
Occam's Razor has its uses in evaluating the utility of any given mathematical proof ~ on the other hand it has little use in sorting names ~ and here you have 72 Andrea Rossi's.

Statistics tells me that if I have 12 characters each with 10 characteristics, I will need at least 20 results for each combination of characters with characteristics possible to be able to prove or disprove significance.

47 posted on 11/22/2011 7:38:01 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Did you forget to take some prescription medicine this morning?


48 posted on 11/22/2011 7:51:23 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: muawiyah
You're the guy claiming you know exactly who this Andrea Rossi is and yet you claimed the same about the old guy and his sister ~ noting the existence of 70 OTHER Andrea Rossi's is quite relevant to this debate.
We both know that this conversation is about the Andrea Rossi who is currently trying to sell his E-Cat, and the Karl Norwood who founded AmpEnergo and who is involved with The Norwood Group and NAI Global.

As usual, you are bringing in all sorts of irrelevant comments into the conversation. You're obviously a smart person, but you veer off on so many tangents that it's not worth trying to follow your tortured reasoning.

49 posted on 11/22/2011 7:52:18 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.

Karl in New Hampshire is involved in NAI Norwood. He also has a business deal with the adjacent dairy farm. They build little office buildings with driveways and parking, then sell them to investors who rent them out. You can find the entire NAI operation worldwide at: http://www.naiglobal.com/naimembersites.aspx


50 posted on 11/22/2011 7:59:55 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Johnny B.

Another thought for you ~ TIME SHARE OFFICE SPACE.


51 posted on 11/22/2011 8:00:46 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Johnny B.
TIME SHARE OFFICE SPACE belches up 240,000,000 responses on Google.com. That's 4,880,000 responses just for New Hampshire.

If you hedge that in a bit with "Norwood" you get about 99,000 responses in New Hampshire.

I'm beginning to see an absence of verifiable confidence in the name associations you are using.

Doesn't mean you are wrong, but Norwood, Rossi, a particular phone number, NAI are defined by too many other factors.

About this time I feel like asking for PICTURES.

52 posted on 11/22/2011 8:08:25 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Johnny B.

Likewise, prince.


53 posted on 11/22/2011 6:17:23 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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