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157 Air Force Majors terminated without retirement benefits
The American Thinker ^ | 11-25-11 | Thamas Lifson

Posted on 11/26/2011 10:42:00 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic

One of the best ways to destroy American military capabilities would be to convince career military personnel -- both officers and enlisted -- that their commitment to service will not be rewarded with the retirement benefits they have earned by their faithful obedience to orders, no matter the personal cost or risks they endure. The Obama administration seems to be ready to destroy the belief that service will be rewarded as faithfully as duty was performed, one step at a time.

The latest step in that direction is the announcement that 157 Air Force majors will be terminated prior to retirement, without the opportunity to complete the 20 full years of service necessary to qualify for retirement pay. Caroline May of the Daily Caller writes:

The Chapman University of Military Law and its associated AMVETS Legal Clinic are blowing the whistle on what they say is an injustice set to be perpetrated on 157 Air Force majors on the last day of November.

"The Obama administration has ordered massive reductions in forces, resulting in many officers who are near retirement being involuntarily separated without retirement or medical benefits," explained institute director...

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


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To: afraidfortherepublic

It’s obvious that the very best have made it to admiral and general. Best at ass kissing. 10 years and our very best admirals and generals can’t figure out how to win. Winning is the only thing in war. Worthless, incompetent losers wearing stars.


51 posted on 11/26/2011 1:22:26 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Owen
Owen said: "Everybody had better get thoroughly used to the idea that this is NOTHING."

I agree. There is so much pain ahead. I haven't figured out what I need to do to protect IRA funds from the calamity ahead. Where will be a safe place for assets? Should I just take the pain of paying taxes on such a sum?

I'm concerned that the economy is headed into a drop into an abyss of incredible depth. Imagine standing on the top of the Saint Louis Arch. Every day moves us further along toward the increasing downward slope. The effort to keep from sliding further down increases with every step until finally there is no stopping the plunge. The bottom will be only seconds away.

How far out on the edge are we with 15 trillion in debt growing by 1.5 trillion per year, perhaps another 50 to 100 trillion in underfunded entitlement programs, multi-trillions in underfunded public pension funds, and states and municipalities heading into bankruptcy.

The state of Illinois and a county in Alabama are examples of the next phase. Promised payments just stop. Unhappy recipients are forced to compromise, much like those holding Greek bonds. These 157 officers are NOTHING compared to what is coming.

52 posted on 11/26/2011 1:35:09 PM PST by William Tell
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To: potlatch

53 posted on 11/26/2011 2:07:13 PM PST by devolve (- - - - - - - - - - - - Nouveau Barack Pansies of Obamaville - - - - - - - - - - - -)
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To: calex59
because the Super Duper Pooper committee failed to reach an agreement on cutting spending so the defense budget is taking a huge hit

The sequestrations don't take effect until 2013, by which time we'll hopefully have the votes to handle the budget properly. That's one reason why the Super Committee's failure to reach an agreement doesn't matter — we're just as screwed as before, but not more so. We just need to take the White House and the Senate in 2012.

54 posted on 11/26/2011 2:16:42 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: napscoordinator
This is not unusual. It happens all the time. If you don't make rank, you get fired. Bottom line. They should have either picked better duty stations, did a better job or whatever it took to make Lieutenant Colonel and they failed. Good bye. Thanks for your service and good luck in civilian world.

Well, ain't you just such a swell guy.

55 posted on 11/26/2011 2:20:27 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: flaglady47

Re your post 16, but don’t you understand? Napscoordinator is one tough guy and has to show it. Hell, I can smell the testosterone from where I am sitting.


56 posted on 11/26/2011 2:24:31 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: gleeaikin

Not likely. SF and a SGT, chances are they will keep him around until they cannot squeeze any more out of him.

These are generally officers who have redundant skill sets.


57 posted on 11/26/2011 2:39:41 PM PST by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: Joe Boucher

Say you get out of college with a good degree, and you want to join the service.

If you are not from an academy or military college, and you are not ROTC....you had better be a doctor.

Otherwise the chances are 4 in 100 you can get a slot.


58 posted on 11/26/2011 2:44:24 PM PST by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: OldPossum

Realistic. I don’t live in dream land like some of you folks.


59 posted on 11/26/2011 2:47:01 PM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul. Perry and Obama are 100 percent the same!!!!!)
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To: napscoordinator

You make a lot of assumptions, bud. One does not live in a dream world because he or she is sympathetic to the trial and tribulations of others.

But I can be sure from your posts on this thread that you are an extremely unpleasant person.


60 posted on 11/26/2011 2:52:54 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: flaglady47
What a crock. They were within 6 years of retiring, and this is not the norm to can them so close to retirement

When my company closed down, everyone in management received furlough pay which meant they had an extended year on their accumulated service. At the end of that extended year, if they were not yet 55, they did not qualify for retirement and the benefits that went along with it. However, they were VESTED in the company pension plan which entitled them to a reduced pension benefit at the age of 60........;

I suspect these released officers are entitled to Vested pension benefits at a certain age due to their years of service so they are not being left with nothing.......

61 posted on 11/26/2011 2:55:26 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (ue)
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To: devolve

Ugh. Everything about that picture is wrong. Not one person shown, from First Fat-Ass to the lowest rank believes in anything they are doing. The carefully selected soldiers (representing the right “balance” of white, black, and fags) all know they are better than the Wookie.

And she thinks they are all beneath her. Disgusting.


62 posted on 11/26/2011 3:52:28 PM PST by LifePath
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To: Hot Tabasco
I suspect these released officers are entitled to Vested pension benefits at a certain age due to their years of service so they are not being left with nothing.......

They have no reduced pension to be given at a later date.

I think they get a severence pay of something like 20K, and are out the door.

If they want to get a federal job, their years of service will count, but that's it.

63 posted on 11/26/2011 3:57:23 PM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Something is really screwy here! Can’t help but comment that my sister’s husband was medically discharged after 14 years in the AF. His discharge was not combat related - heart attack and stroke. He passed away 35 years ago and she’s been living on his benefits ever since - never worked a day after she was married and never remarried so as to save those benefits.

If there is anger and a big ruckus over this, there should be! I agree with other posters that something big is coming our way with this administration in charge and it’s not going to be pretty!

obozo lied about so many things in his campaign for president but he didn’t lie about being transparent in his dealings - we can all see right through him!


64 posted on 11/26/2011 6:43:23 PM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: devolve

Ahh, your inflated Moochelle!!


65 posted on 11/26/2011 7:13:25 PM PST by potlatch (*snip*~ Having the right to be angry does not give one the right to be cruel. ~*snip*)
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To: potlatch

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Inflation 2011

Topical photograph

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66 posted on 11/26/2011 7:30:41 PM PST by devolve (- - - - - - - - - - - - Nouveau Barack Pansies of Obamaville - - - - - - - - - - - -)
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To: devolve

Topical? Lol


67 posted on 11/26/2011 7:49:47 PM PST by potlatch (*snip*~ Having the right to be angry does not give one the right to be cruel. ~*snip*)
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To: potlatch

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the growing inflation of Arugula Obama

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68 posted on 11/26/2011 7:59:23 PM PST by devolve (- - - - - - - - - - - - Nouveau Barack Pansies of Obamaville - - - - - - - - - - - -)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

How many majors does the AF have?


69 posted on 11/26/2011 8:00:32 PM PST by texmexis best
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To: Jacquerie; napscoordinator
Naps doesn't really think too much before shooting from the hip.

In Naps world...."FOREVER" is 50-60 yrs!!

70 posted on 11/26/2011 8:10:49 PM PST by Osage Orange (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum)
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To: texmexis best

Apparently 157 less than they had last month.


71 posted on 11/26/2011 8:11:30 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: devolve

We sure are off topic on this thread, lol.


72 posted on 11/26/2011 8:20:25 PM PST by potlatch (*snip*~ Having the right to be angry does not give one the right to be cruel. ~*snip*)
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To: potlatch

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Sometimes on a dormant thread

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73 posted on 11/26/2011 8:43:29 PM PST by devolve (- - - - - - - - - - - - Nouveau Barack Pansies of Obamaville - - - - - - - - - - - -)
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To: devolve

My computer has gone dormant a couple of times in the last hour too.


74 posted on 11/26/2011 8:54:59 PM PST by potlatch (*snip*~ Having the right to be angry does not give one the right to be cruel. ~*snip*)
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To: napscoordinator
They should have either picked better duty stations....

No Air Force Officer picks his/her duty station.

75 posted on 11/26/2011 8:58:28 PM PST by TankerKC (Welcome to the age of "I Meant to Do That" Diplomacy)
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To: potlatch

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I hope your new DELL cures those problemos for you

Need some strong hot coffee - getting a headache

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76 posted on 11/26/2011 9:03:48 PM PST by devolve (- - - - - - - - - - - - Nouveau Barack Pansies of Obamaville - - - - - - - - - - - -)
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To: napscoordinator
These are substandard workers at best.
I'm not sure where you are getting your info. These are not your normal "high year" guys who didn't get promoted. They already have to get out after each boards. This is a RIF. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Air Force releases Major, Captain reduction-in-force (RIF) board results

77 posted on 11/26/2011 9:04:54 PM PST by TankerKC (Welcome to the age of "I Meant to Do That" Diplomacy)
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To: gleeaikin
When the "RIF's" come no one is really safe.p>Reduction in Forces, usually happens at the end of a conflict (as I sit here in Afghanistan) not seeing a whole bunch of "end of conflict" events.

But as a contractor, and a military retiree, I have seen it before.

But nothing like the purges back in the early 80's when the Marine Corps, bounced a bunch of late Vietnam Vets out.

78 posted on 11/26/2011 9:11:59 PM PST by SERE_DOC (My Rice Krispies told me to stay home & clean my weapons!)
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To: USNBandit
I would think it would be easier to make O-5 in the Air Force than any other service because the standard unit, a squadron, has so many O-5 slots.
Many squadrons have O-4 commanders and no O-5 slots. You're comment only applies to flying squadrons.
79 posted on 11/26/2011 9:13:28 PM PST by TankerKC (Welcome to the age of "I Meant to Do That" Diplomacy)
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To: devolve

The new Dell will be wonderful, if I just get it set up right. Never have done it myself.

I’m heading off, enjoy your coffee.


80 posted on 11/26/2011 9:14:44 PM PST by potlatch (*snip*~ Having the right to be angry does not give one the right to be cruel. ~*snip*)
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To: TankerKC

Yep, I’m not talking about the 344th Tactical Postal Squadron.


81 posted on 11/26/2011 9:33:32 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit
Yep, I’m not talking about the 344th Tactical Postal Squadron.

There's no such thing. There are Security Forces Squadrons, Mission Support Squadrons, Logistics Support Squadrons, Civil Engineering Squadrons, Communications Squadrons, Maintenance Squadrons and various others that often have Majors as commanders.

So, your point about the relative ease of making O-5 in the Air Force is gone.

I'll tell you this much, every O-3 and O-4 that was hit with the is RIF has at least a Bachelors Degree. You can't say that for the Navy though, can you?

82 posted on 11/26/2011 9:46:31 PM PST by TankerKC (Welcome to the age of "I Meant to Do That" Diplomacy)
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To: potlatch

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I used 1/2 milk and added some clover honey

Time crept well past midnight here
I hope the DELL Techline is not in Inja!

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83 posted on 11/26/2011 9:48:14 PM PST by devolve (- - - - - - - - - - - - Nouveau Barack Pansies of Obamaville - - - - - - - - - - - -)
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To: TankerKC
I was making fun of the Air Force naming convention, lighten up.

My point is that in the Air Force the average fighter squadron has three times as many planes as a Navy squadron and is commanded by an O-6. The Navy unit is commanded by an O-5 and there are six-seven Navy squadrons in an Air Wing where you run into the first two O-6s.

As far as bachelor's degrees go, line officers all have degrees except for a small number of naval aviation cadets that have to get their degrees before they make O-4. We do have some limited duty officers that are brought up from the enlisted ranks for their technical expertise, but the vast majority of them have degrees.

84 posted on 11/26/2011 10:03:00 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit
My point is that in the Air Force the average fighter squadron has three times as many planes as a Navy squadron and is commanded by an O-6

Air Force fighter squadrons are commanded by O-5s. Where are you getting your info?

85 posted on 11/26/2011 10:08:45 PM PST by TankerKC (Welcome to the age of "I Meant to Do That" Diplomacy)
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To: TankerKC

Good, there are too many of those Ass H(&^$ around. We probably could run the entire Air Force without one Major.


86 posted on 11/26/2011 10:20:36 PM PST by BooBoo1000 ("Think for yourself")
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To: USNBandit
I was making fun of the Air Force naming convention, lighten up.
Right, 'cuz it is way funnier than COMNAVAIRFUDGEPAC.
87 posted on 11/26/2011 10:22:33 PM PST by TankerKC (Welcome to the age of "I Meant to Do That" Diplomacy)
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To: molson209

OMG , this is major
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Did Major Major make the cut?
They can’t promote him as it would make a new rank.


88 posted on 11/26/2011 10:45:05 PM PST by xrmusn ((6/98) If govt involved, the more outlandish a scheme appears, the truer it probably is.)
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To: warsaw44; USNBandit; All

Before being in Special Forces, my son was in the 82nd Airborne in Gulf War I. I asked him what kind of guys were in that kind of unit. He said about one third crazies, 1/3 guys who liked adventure (his category), and 1/3 getting their ticket punched. Which I gather means serving somewhere dangerous/interesting to prepare for higher command. USNB—I guess my son is OK, he has been promoted to several levels of Sergeant, and I think they asked him if he would like to do Officers Candidate School. I think he said no because he is not tempermentally very diplomatic. Mostly says what he believes whether it is what you want to hear or not. After GWI he finished 4 years and went civilian, but was not happy with his job prospects. I asked him what was wrong, and he said, “You know mom, I like to get up at 6 am and run 5 miles.” So most civilian jobs were not his cup of tea. Eventually his Reserve commander coaxed him into reenlisting.


89 posted on 11/26/2011 11:33:27 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: Vermont Lt

two nephews went to West Point.
One got out as soon as he’d finished his obligation.
The other got out after his 4 boys were born.
Just tired of getting jerked around.
One now a lawyer the other got his MBA from Gerogetown and works for IBM.
Both real smart boys who could do better in private business.


90 posted on 11/27/2011 3:27:21 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy is just a quota boy)
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To: devolve

Wouldn’t matter if the tech phone was next door - for me. I just got back from Office Depot, checking on my undelivered computer desk! Had to go in person.


91 posted on 11/28/2011 2:00:38 PM PST by potlatch (*snip*~ Having the right to be angry does not give one the right to be cruel. ~*snip*)
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To: potlatch

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Setup may be tough

Desk is (still) MIA?

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92 posted on 11/28/2011 2:17:14 PM PST by devolve (- - - - - - - - - - - - Nouveau Barack Pansies of Obamaville - - - - - - - - - - - -)
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To: devolve

[Desk is (still) MIA?]

Lol, devolve, that’s what ‘undelivered’ meant. Eighteen days late! Maybe too much of that nutty ‘ChockFulla’?? snicker.

I’ll pay to have it assembled, it’s complicated.


93 posted on 11/28/2011 2:24:53 PM PST by potlatch (*snip*~ Having the right to be angry does not give one the right to be cruel. ~*snip*)
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To: Jacquerie
Last year it was fags. Now, they are telling every O-1 they must make O-5 or take a walk with nothing. It is designed to destroy the best military in history.

I think we may find that the RIFs may contain a low percentage of Obama-supporters, clearing the way for more Obama-supporters to make O-5 when the budget crises ends.

The long-range plan is to have the military be the next target of Gramsci's “long march through the institutions”. Ending the gay-ban is part of this as well.

94 posted on 11/28/2011 2:30:15 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: potlatch

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That assembled tall kitchen/whatever hutch I bought for a bargain price had been drilled for the back panel off-square

I had to remove the complete rear panel and square up the hutch by getting the diagonal measurements exactly equal - it took a while to do

Those unassembled units can often be above the purchaser’s experience and/or skills

I recall turning down several people that expected it was a simple fix after gave up or messed up the assembly “assembles in minutes with simple hand tools”

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95 posted on 11/28/2011 2:35:10 PM PST by devolve (- - - - - - - - - - - - Nouveau Barack Pansies of Obamaville - - - - - - - - - - - -)
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To: devolve

We put together the one I am using now, they can take some time and lots of crawling around on the floor, lol. My grandaughter said she would do it but I prefer to hire a person who is used to doing it, and I can complain if it isn’t done right later on.

I’m sure you put some work into what you did.
FR is running very slow for me but it could be my computer??


96 posted on 11/28/2011 2:40:20 PM PST by potlatch (*snip*~ Having the right to be angry does not give one the right to be cruel. ~*snip*)
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To: potlatch

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MSN had a few hiccups yesterday too - in addition to the FR problemos

FR seems to be OK for me today

I recall when it was causing reall problemos for me a few years ago until I deleted all of my cookies

Glad that appears to be solved

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97 posted on 11/28/2011 2:54:08 PM PST by devolve (- - - - - - - - - - - - Nouveau Barack Pansies of Obamaville - - - - - - - - - - - -)
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To: devolve

Glad you aren’t having problems, it might be my computer but yesterday I could move around pretty fast to read threads. Posting is very slow for me.
Funny, I never go to MSN at all!


98 posted on 11/28/2011 3:16:49 PM PST by potlatch (*snip*~ Having the right to be angry does not give one the right to be cruel. ~*snip*)
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To: Secret Agent Man

1. The government needs to have the ability to lay off any workers/staff when necessary, close to retirement or not.

Disagree. If that is the case, then any company, whether public or private, can just wait until every older employee reaches 58 or 59 (or 63-64, depending on the retirement age, and can their employee, thus screwing them all out of their benefits. Why not, if they can all get away with it? Never have to pay out benefits packages, just can the employee. And believe me, there are enough rat bosses out there to do it. Hope you are already retired, so that you don’t look unemployment in the eye, leaving you with no money in your dotage.


99 posted on 11/28/2011 3:24:45 PM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: napscoordinator

“This is not new by a long shot. If it was up to you, we would still have over 600k. Each service was made huge by Reagan and immediately when Bush I came into office he started cutting and it has not stopped.”

Then can them when they are younger and can start over in a new career. Not when they are a few years away from retirement. And the way the military is set up, you’ll be left holding the financial empty bag. Feel very lucky it didn’t happen to you, tough guy, or I suspect you’d be singing a very different song.


100 posted on 11/28/2011 3:29:21 PM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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