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157 Air Force Majors terminated without retirement benefits
The American Thinker ^ | 11-25-11 | Thamas Lifson

Posted on 11/26/2011 10:42:00 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic

One of the best ways to destroy American military capabilities would be to convince career military personnel -- both officers and enlisted -- that their commitment to service will not be rewarded with the retirement benefits they have earned by their faithful obedience to orders, no matter the personal cost or risks they endure. The Obama administration seems to be ready to destroy the belief that service will be rewarded as faithfully as duty was performed, one step at a time.

The latest step in that direction is the announcement that 157 Air Force majors will be terminated prior to retirement, without the opportunity to complete the 20 full years of service necessary to qualify for retirement pay. Caroline May of the Daily Caller writes:

The Chapman University of Military Law and its associated AMVETS Legal Clinic are blowing the whistle on what they say is an injustice set to be perpetrated on 157 Air Force majors on the last day of November.

"The Obama administration has ordered massive reductions in forces, resulting in many officers who are near retirement being involuntarily separated without retirement or medical benefits," explained institute director...

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


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1 posted on 11/26/2011 10:42:06 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
This is not unusual. It happens all the time. If you don't make rank, you get fired. Bottom line. They should have either picked better duty stations, did a better job or whatever it took to make Lieutenant Colonel and they failed. Good bye. Thanks for your service and good luck in civilian world.
2 posted on 11/26/2011 10:44:17 AM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul. Perry and Obama are 100 percent the same!!!!!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The Obamanition continues.


3 posted on 11/26/2011 10:44:17 AM PST by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013 The end of an error.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
"The Obama administration has ordered massive reductions in forces, resulting in many officers who are near retirement being involuntarily separated without retirement or medical benefits,"

This while Barry and Rimshot Joe are sending their wives all over the country to convince the military that the Obama regime loves them. They deserved to be booed at Homestead.

4 posted on 11/26/2011 10:44:37 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Stop BIG Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Now...see!!!..had they been in the union,they'd have nothing to worry about. /s
5 posted on 11/26/2011 10:45:09 AM PST by gimme1ibertee ("Criticism......brings attention to an unhealthy state of things"-Winston Churchill)
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To: rdl6989

The Obamanition continues.

The Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Truman, and on and on did the same thing. If you don’t promote within a certain time you are out. The guys only made ONE PROMOTION. It is automatic the first two promotions and they made one additional. These are substandard workers at best.


6 posted on 11/26/2011 10:46:11 AM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul. Perry and Obama are 100 percent the same!!!!!)
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To: napscoordinator

Up or out. Certainly nothing new.


7 posted on 11/26/2011 10:47:34 AM PST by stormer
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To: napscoordinator

Why would you want to introduce actual facts into such a discussion?


8 posted on 11/26/2011 10:50:33 AM PST by trumandogz (In Rick Perry's Nanny State, the state will drive your kids to the dentist at tax payer expense)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Sounds like a good plan for the entire GSA workforce if you ask me. Good state plan too. Imagine the DMV clerks getting the boot at 19 years!

Welcome to the private sector my gubmint brethren.

9 posted on 11/26/2011 10:51:16 AM PST by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

[ This is not unusual. It happens all the time. If you don’t make rank, you get fired. Bottom line. ]

Wonder if only the democrats made rank?....
but 157 republicans didn’t...


10 posted on 11/26/2011 10:51:25 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Rotten, evil, heartless. These are just a few of the terms that come to mind in thinking of the actions of this administration. While freely doling out millions to his worthless cohorts, Obama screws our faithful troops. Will it even be possible to reverse or undo all the damage and injustice he has perpetrated once we finally do get rid of him? Our Veterans cannot let this happen without a fight. And where is Congress in this? Can Dear Leader just decree his destructive wishes, and Congress just sits on their hands and lets it happen? If these officers can be denied their retirements, so can everyone else in the military.


11 posted on 11/26/2011 10:52:29 AM PST by holyscroller ( Without God, America is one nation under)
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To: napscoordinator
This is not unusual. It happens all the time. If you don't make rank, you get fired. Bottom line. They should have either picked better duty stations, did a better job or whatever it took to make Lieutenant Colonel and they failed. Good bye. Thanks for your service and good luck in civilian world.

That would be all well and good except this is not the reason they are being terminated, they are being terminated, along with a sh** load of enlisted personnel because the Super Duper Pooper committee failed to reach an agreement on cutting spending so the defense budget is taking a huge hit, there fore many people will be fired and not allowed to re-up. All attributable to Bozo and his administration.

12 posted on 11/26/2011 10:53:54 AM PST by calex59
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To: napscoordinator
I agree. Over the years it has been both ways for O-4s, but until you were in sanctuary, you were definitely living on borrowed time. There was a time when they were jettisoning guys out of the Navy at O-4 prior to 20 on a pro-rated retirement.

There are some portions of the active Navy Reserves that are holding boards to push out O-5s prior to year 24. They are already retirement eligible, but not a lot of people want to get out in this job market.

I had a friend that went up for that separation board, at the same time he was a base XO, at the same time he had been mobilized to Afghanistan. Nice message that sends. "We're not sure we really need you, but we need you to deploy to the armpit of the universe."

13 posted on 11/26/2011 10:54:53 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Since they seem to be involuntarily seperating, they should be eligible for seperation pay, which is a considerable sum. Nothing comparable to retirement benefits though.


14 posted on 11/26/2011 10:55:18 AM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: napscoordinator

I read somewheres a while back, ( and I wish I could find it) that at the height of WW II, with some 14 million Americans in the military, the number of flag officers was LESS than today, when our military strength is about 90% less....UP or OUT is correct, but “rank creep” has exacerbated the problem for a long time..


15 posted on 11/26/2011 10:57:02 AM PST by ken5050 (Support Admin Mods: Doing the tough, hard, dirty jobs that Americans won't do...)
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To: napscoordinator

What a crock. They were within 6 years of retiring, and this is not the norm to can them so close to retirement. This is a rotten thing to do to a person who has worked so many years in the service, regardless of what rank they made, and you have no clue as to whether they were good workers or not. You presume too much. I think this stinks, bigtime. I think it also stinks when in the private sector someone is within a couple years of retirement and has the rug pulled out from under them as to their job and receiving their retirement package. You hear all of the time how someone is canned when older and right before retiring in order to cheat them out of their retirement benefits, not because of any inadequacy on their part other than having made the mistake of aging.

I worked in a Chicago law firm years ago when young, for a private investigator that had worked for years in the firm, and they terminated him for no reason other than to save a few bucks, when he was in his 50’s, and the odds of getting another job were not so good. He was Jewish, and finally another Jewish law firm in Chicago offered him a job. They took care of their own, bless them. But it destroyed him health-wise, and he died young. I didn’t like what that law firm did to him, and I don’t like what the military is doing to these guys either.


16 posted on 11/26/2011 11:00:41 AM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: napscoordinator

I was a member of the Clinton Reduction In Force as a major. Never saw a promotion board as promised when I became a regular officer. I was part of the peace dividend and that is when I became a big time conservative!

Fortunately I had over 22 years with my enlisted time so it did not matter. Notice it is only the liberal Democrats who do this crap. My understanding was that these guys could fulfill their career as E-5s and retire at the Major rank. Has this changed over the last decade?

Liberal Democrats tend not to honor a person’s military service except when it helps them in their desire to remain in power. Lip services only.


17 posted on 11/26/2011 11:01:08 AM PST by inthaihill (Living in an interesting paradise - Thailand!)
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To: napscoordinator
"This is not unusual. It happens all the time. If you don't make rank, you get fired. Bottom line."

If that's the case, I wonder why they were allowed to stay so long. The article says many are "near" retirement. It also says that the standard rule of the DoD has been to let them stay if they were within 6 years of their retirement, unless extenuating circumstances or disciplinary action occurred. With these 157, the Air Force is deviating from that "protection" rule.

18 posted on 11/26/2011 11:03:44 AM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: afraidfortherepublic; All

My son is a Sergeant in Special Forces, he has about 4 or 5 years to his 20. Does anyone know how likely this is to happen to him?


19 posted on 11/26/2011 11:05:04 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: napscoordinator
Little too quick judgment on your part without knowing the facts.

There is nothing in this brief statement that clarifies whether these are twice passed over majors or non-performers. Or what AFSC’s were involved.

More likely, somebody just drew a line and said cut these guys. In which case, they have a valid complaint on their side.

This is just the opening round. A few years ago (2007) when the Air Force was making similar drastic cuts, the Secretary of the Air Force was congratulating one of that year's Twelve Outstanding Airman at a dinner in their honor. He asked that sergeant what his plans were, and was told he was getting out. Puzzled as to why one of the Air Force's best would be getting out after this singular achievement that same SAF asked him why he would want to quit. The sergeant left him dumbfounded when he told the SAF “I'm not quitting Sir, they are RIFing me!”

A year later, that same SAF made a public statement that he had cut too much and too soon.

We'll never learn. It is the 1930’s again, and another Pearl Harbor is rising over the horizon. A lot of Americans are getting their death warrants sealed. And the very people using the scapels will be the same ones looking to blame someone else for the horrors they themselves unleashed.

20 posted on 11/26/2011 11:06:03 AM PST by oldbill
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To: flaglady47

I guess if you are for socialism this is a deal. You want the military to hang on to 157 Majors it does not need. Oh brother no wonder we are in the trouble we are in. Too many bleeding heart liberals even on Free Republic. The question should be why they did not get promoted. Up and or out has been in place FOREVER!!!!


21 posted on 11/26/2011 11:06:28 AM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul. Perry and Obama are 100 percent the same!!!!!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Names, I want names!
The blowhard media will not look into it, this casual, happens all the time event.
22 posted on 11/26/2011 11:07:05 AM PST by bksanders (Spewing Forth Vitriol at the Speed of Spit)
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To: FlingWingFlyer; All

If Congress is pushing for massive reductions in budget expenses without offsetting increases in income, then this is the kind of thing that is going to happen. Personally, if they need to make a 20% cut in the military, I wish they would do it in some of the big hardware contracting areas. Either cancel or draw out over a longer time frame, And for gosh sakes stop the OPEN ENDED costs overruns.


23 posted on 11/26/2011 11:08:34 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: napscoordinator

“I guess if you are for socialism this is a deal.”

This isn’t socialism, it’s just cruel, plain and simple. You’d be singing a different song if it happened to you.


24 posted on 11/26/2011 11:09:23 AM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: napscoordinator
I would think it would be easier to make O-5 in the Air Force than any other service because the standard unit, a squadron, has so many O-5 slots. Navy squadrons are smaller and only have two O-5 billets, so if you aren't heading for the front office you better have a plan.

It still think you would be able to make O-5 simply by completing your JPME, watching your fitness reports, and if necessary taking a "hard job."

I made O-5 in the reserves because I took an active duty recall when I really needed that job. The reserves were doing me a much bigger favor than I was doing them, but it looked good on paper. That and a normal trend of fit reps and I made it on my first look.

The guys that didn't make O-5 generally hadn't done anything, but show up to fly. They weren't pulling their own weight other than filling out a blank in the flight schedule. The active duty officers that didn't make O-5 had extended in billets that stopped their career progression, and never gotten their ticket punched. If you miss getting your ticket punched at one command, you won't make CO, but you would still make O-5. The guys that didn't make O-5 never got their ticket punched.

25 posted on 11/26/2011 11:10:19 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: oldbill

And when that happens, there will be no ready draft vehicle to fill the ranks again. Jes sayin’.


26 posted on 11/26/2011 11:13:15 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: gleeaikin

Nobody is completely safe until 18 years. However, I am very glad that he is in special forces because so far they have been completely safe.


27 posted on 11/26/2011 11:15:47 AM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul. Perry and Obama are 100 percent the same!!!!!)
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To: flaglady47

It could easily have happened to me. The have been cutting the numbers since I joined in 1987. When I came in the Navy there were over 600k but today there are 320k and they want to bring this number to around 309k. This is not new by a long shot. If it was up to you, we would still have over 600k. Each service was made huge by Reagan and immediately when Bush I came into office he started cutting and it has not stopped.


28 posted on 11/26/2011 11:21:00 AM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul. Perry and Obama are 100 percent the same!!!!!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Likely each of these terminations has its own story.

Some of them may have been doing their jobs and got hosed by the system. Others may have plateaued and got busted out by the up-or-out standard.

The fact is, we’re going to see defense budget cuts, and there will be reduction in force.


29 posted on 11/26/2011 11:25:37 AM PST by lurk
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To: afraidfortherepublic
From the Chapman edu site

"The AMVETS Clinic is representing several airmen, including Maj. Kale Mosley, a combat pilot and Air Force Academy graduate who has served for 19.5 years. Even excluding his academy time, he falls within the six-year protective window set out by DoD Instructions, clinic lawyers say. Mosley has served in 13 combat zones, including a recent deployment to Libya with only 30 hours’ notice. Upon return, he was almost immediately deployed again to Iraq. “It was on the same day of this Iraq deployment that the Air Force gave him a pink slip,” said Rotunda."

My Senator serves on the Armed Services Committee, he'll be hearing from me.
30 posted on 11/26/2011 11:28:28 AM PST by bksanders (Spewing Forth Vitriol at the Speed of Spit)
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To: napscoordinator
Up and or out has been in place FOREVER!!!!

No, it hasn't. Prior to WWII you advanced until, well, you did not and stayed at that rank but could continue to serve. No retirement for anyone. There were 40 year old E-3s and O-4s who served perfectly well at that level. The problem was that it clogged billets for potential E-9s and Flag Officers.

The retirement system was designed to clear billets out so that the hard charging best could advance.

The Left soils every institution they control. Media, public schools, higher education . . . Only the military remained. Last year it was fags. Now, they are telling every O-1 they must make O-5 or take a walk with nothing. It is designed to destroy the best military in history.

31 posted on 11/26/2011 11:29:55 AM PST by Jacquerie (Think outside the pizza box.)
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To: USNBandit

I agree with ever word you typed. I wish you luck on Captain!!!! Need some great conservatives in the mess. I still am shocked by the number of Democrats in the Wardroom. I am in the Chief’s Mess and yes sadly we see Democrats there too.


32 posted on 11/26/2011 11:30:26 AM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul. Perry and Obama are 100 percent the same!!!!!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

OMG , this is major


33 posted on 11/26/2011 11:36:13 AM PST by molson209
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To: bksanders

My letter to Sen. Sessions:

Senator Sessions,

I implore you to raise a staunch cry in defense of the proposed forced military retirements of the 157 USAF Majors as reported by Chapman University of Military Law. I very proudly point to the fact that we have you to represent us here in Alabama. I’m sure you know exactly what I mean when I say the issue is important enough for me to take the time to write, during the Iron Bowl!


34 posted on 11/26/2011 11:39:35 AM PST by bksanders (Spewing Forth Vitriol at the Speed of Spit)
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To: calex59

It’s not taking a huge hit.

It will not grow as fast as some previously assumed it would grow.

It will still be larger than it was the year before. It’s reductions in the rate of growth, not actual cuts.

The sentiment of your argument, though, I agree with.


35 posted on 11/26/2011 11:42:08 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: blackdog
Sounds like a good plan for the entire GSA workforce if you ask me. Good state plan too.

Amen, and it needs to be accompanied by TERM LIMITS for the elected.

36 posted on 11/26/2011 11:46:11 AM PST by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: All

Everybody had better get thoroughly used to the idea that this is NOTHING. Pensions for officers and enlisted who have ALREADY EARNED them are going to slashed. It’s not politics that will do it, either.

It’s mathematics.

15 Trillion in debt is intolerable. If there is ANY ATTEMPT to have a vibrantly growing economy, interest on that debt will jump. That interest expense will choke off any growth.

The party is over and now it’s time to die. Pensions, even for those already receiving them, are going to stop. There is no money for them. Recipients will sue and courts will either be defunded before they can rule, or the judges will have to recuse themselves as being party to the suit (as a future pension recipient).


37 posted on 11/26/2011 11:52:13 AM PST by Owen
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To: flaglady47

Not to stoke things worse, but your statement is what every unionized protected worker and teacher says about their jobs too.

this is really getting us talking about the wrong things.

1. The government needs to have the ability to lay off any workers/staff when necessary, close to retirement or not.

2. The Supercommittee deal was a bad deal for conservatives and GOP leadership needs to recognize and admit it and take the blame for agreeing to it.


38 posted on 11/26/2011 11:59:40 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: napscoordinator

Not going to make Captain, but I had a good run. I flew for twenty years, learned a lot, got my degree from Annapolis, got another GI bill to pass to my son and have a cornerstone for my retirement plans. My Navy experiences benefit me everyday at my new job.


39 posted on 11/26/2011 12:02:10 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: gleeaikin
My bet would be no. Within all of these situation, enlisted and officer, there is consideration of specialty. Special warfare in all services is going to be in high demand.

The other consideration is whether he is an officer or enlisted. It is sometimes easier in the enlisted ranks to make sufficient rank early and not have to worry about being separated. In the officer ranks it depends on smaller groups of people and how many peers you have to compete with.

As long as your son is moving along with his peers he shouldn't have any issues. Once he makes it to year 18 he will be safe from this issue.

40 posted on 11/26/2011 12:12:12 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Two or three fewer trips by the First Lady would more than pay for the retirement benefits of the AF Majors. Barry needs to spread the wealth around by example. The retirements would then be “paid for”.


41 posted on 11/26/2011 12:25:33 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all......)
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To: USNBandit

bandit - what does ‘ getting your ticket punched ‘ mean?


42 posted on 11/26/2011 12:26:53 PM PST by warsaw44
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To: afraidfortherepublic
O, were it to be done to the teacher's unions..........

8:}

43 posted on 11/26/2011 12:28:42 PM PST by AwesomePossum (I have never looked this forward to a November II........)
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To: bksanders

The way that they have treated Maj. Mosley is outrageous!


44 posted on 11/26/2011 12:31:12 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Secret Agent Man

There was an article several days ago on FR that outlined the cuts and how many mililtary personnel were going to be axed because of the failure of the so called Super Committee(Sorry no link at this time). The administration has already issued the orders for the reductions based on the cuts anticipated. I suppose if the dimwits some how get common sense and agree to tax cuts and spending cuts they will reverse the personnel cuts, but I doubt if that happens.


45 posted on 11/26/2011 12:35:29 PM PST by calex59
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To: warsaw44
Getting a top category fitness reports. In the Navy the categories are not recommended (equivalent to a bullet in the head), promotable, must promote, and early promote. Normally you start at the bottom when you show up to a command and then move up with better rankings and grater responsibilities.

Obstacles to getting an early promote include, really competitive groups (staff at Top Gun), quotas for the number of early promotes your CO can give out, train wrecks where too many guys all have to leave the command, and inept COs who don't know how to take care of their guys.

Career killers include flat performance trends, and worse yet declining trends.

then 19.5 year guy definitely has a good case, but unless the Air Force has a different written policy a 15 year guy is toast.

46 posted on 11/26/2011 12:37:19 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: lurk

Good synopsis.


47 posted on 11/26/2011 12:39:11 PM PST by verity (The Obama Administration is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I was an active duty Naval Reserve recruiter. I made no effort to advance because I did not want to transfer. I got myself into a pinch where I had to get promoted or I was going to get kicked out at 16 years. I did indeed get promoted and made my 20, but “no advancement equals no career” is not new. I also saw officers “RIF”ed due to non-advancement.


48 posted on 11/26/2011 12:41:01 PM PST by suthener
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To: napscoordinator

“If you don’t make rank, you get fired.”

Yep, agree. Seems that Captain and Major are the two hurdles to clear before being fairly certain of making it to retirement. Most of these guys who are cut have been passed over a couple of time....


49 posted on 11/26/2011 1:09:29 PM PST by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

U.S. military has an increasing percentage of officers.
To the point that an officer today is NOT what they were years ago.
Far too much brass.
But still this may not be a good time for this marxist punk with an anti military bent to be doing this kind of stuff.


50 posted on 11/26/2011 1:17:04 PM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy is just a quota boy)
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