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Lindsey Graham calls for using military against American citizens (Call Your Senators Now!)
Examiner ^ | 11/28/11 | Kyle Rogers

Posted on 11/28/2011 2:08:59 PM PST by Bokababe

The US government has been slowly eradicating the Posse Commitatus Act of 1878. That act banned the US government from using the US military in domestic law enforcement. Over the past few decades the US government has repeatedly violated the act. However, many Republicans have insisted that the Posse Comitatus Act needs to be respected to protect the rights of American Citizens.

South Carolina's left-wing Republican Senator Lindsey Graham, however, is supporting provisions to eradicate Posse Commitatus and dramatically expand the powers of the Federal government.

The US Senate Armed Forces Committee, led by Carl Levin (D-MI) and John McCain (R-AZ), held a secret closed door session to insert ominous new Federal powers into the Defense Authorization Bill. This is the annual bill to fund the US military. These new powers were requested by the Obama administration.

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Call Your Senators NOW! There are two Ammendments to stop this one by Udall and one by Rand Paul. Will get those amendments ASAP.
1 posted on 11/28/2011 2:09:06 PM PST by Bokababe
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To: Bokababe

The ONLY way I would want military intervention would be to arrest all of the traitors in Washington DC (From Hussein on down) and return to a Constitutional style gubmint.


2 posted on 11/28/2011 2:12:11 PM PST by BipolarBob (Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world and she walks into mine.)
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To: Bokababe

Warm up that tar and stock up on feathers.


3 posted on 11/28/2011 2:12:29 PM PST by exnavy (May the Lord bless and keep our troops.)
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To: Bokababe

I could say something about Grahamnesty but secret service would be knocking on my door.


4 posted on 11/28/2011 2:12:29 PM PST by hattend (If I wanted you dead, you'd be dead. - Cameron Connor)
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To: Bokababe

Should that not be conservative Graham. Sac off


5 posted on 11/28/2011 2:12:50 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters.)
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To: Joe Brower

Nelson, Bill - (D - FL) (202) 224-5274

Web Form: www.billnelson.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm

Rubio, Marco - (R - FL) (202) 224-3041

Web Form: www.rubio.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/contact


6 posted on 11/28/2011 2:13:38 PM PST by tutstar (Want pings to Aaron Klein articles and OWS nonsense?)
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To: Bokababe

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s1867pcs/pdf/BILLS-112s1867pcs.pdf

I suggest looking at the bill before calling your senator. Especially page 362, paragraph (b).


7 posted on 11/28/2011 2:14:20 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Bokababe

Lindsey has his eye on the dreadful Tea Party, all those fired up suburbanites.


8 posted on 11/28/2011 2:16:19 PM PST by Hans
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To: Bokababe

See tagline...


9 posted on 11/28/2011 2:17:40 PM PST by Never on my watch (WTF happened to my country?)
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To: Bokababe

We need to keep close tabs on Linseed to make sure he gets his just reward when the roundups start.


10 posted on 11/28/2011 2:20:06 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The very idea of a community organizer is to stir up a mob for some political purpose." Ann Coulter)
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To: Bokababe

This is too funny, the Senate wants to use the US military against us to stay in power and some people think they will back down with just a phone call.

Hello, earth to poster, we are way past the phone call stage on this one....just saying...


11 posted on 11/28/2011 2:21:34 PM PST by stockpirate (Real hero's don't wear capes, they wear dog tags.)
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To: exnavy

John McLame must not have learned much from being held captive in North Vietnam.


12 posted on 11/28/2011 2:21:58 PM PST by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: Bokababe; P-Marlowe

Rand Paul is huge on individual liberty.

Anwar al Awlaki was a U.S. citizen. He was also an anti-US combatant. The nature of the war on terrorism has American citizens killing Americans as did Nidal Hassan at Ft Hood.

The military SHOULD be able to take down terrorists or combat teams infiltrated into the US. How do you write a law in such a way that it gives authority to do ONLY that?

Rand Paul was not mentioned even once in that article.


13 posted on 11/28/2011 2:24:21 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: vette6387

The military should arrest all the senators or congressmen who vote for this.


14 posted on 11/28/2011 2:24:32 PM PST by bigdirty
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To: Bokababe

Well, I read the bill and it states that this doesn’t apply to U.S. citizens and doesn’t apply to legal residents who are within the U.S.


15 posted on 11/28/2011 2:26:32 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: BipolarBob
The ONLY way I would want military intervention would be to arrest all of the traitors in Washington DC and to run all the illegal wetbacks back across the Rio Grande.
16 posted on 11/28/2011 2:27:01 PM PST by Gargantua (Men ARE created equal, but 21 years later... you get my point.)
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To: All

Here’s more on it:

http://www.campaignforliberty.org/profile/7786/blog/2011/11/28/amend-s-1867-prevent-indefinite-detention-americans

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:s.1867:

http://open.salon.com/blog/ghost_writer_1/2011/11/27/senate_moves_to_use_military_against_us_citizens

http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/senators-demand-military-lock-american-citizens-battlefield-they-define-being/

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) explained that the bill will “basically say in law for the first time that the homeland (the US) is part of the battlefield” and people can be imprisoned without charge or trial “American citizen or not.”


17 posted on 11/28/2011 2:28:20 PM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: DBrow

Why? The damn senators can’t even agree among themselves what it all means.


18 posted on 11/28/2011 2:28:55 PM PST by DManA
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To: DBrow

Glad you pointed that info out. How did you find that so fast? Or did you help draft it?


19 posted on 11/28/2011 2:29:23 PM PST by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: Bokababe
You wanna see someone with more cojones than an entire Marine division tear up that pantie-waist loafer on his intellectual deficiencies to rip up the constitution - then WATCH THIS!
20 posted on 11/28/2011 2:30:48 PM PST by LibFreeUSA (Pick Your Poison)
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To: reefdiver

What? Are you going to read all 682 pages?


21 posted on 11/28/2011 2:32:31 PM PST by DManA
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To: Bokababe

Your post is very misleading, an you use the ACLU as a reference.

The bill is designed to cover only members of AL-Q and non-citizens of the US.


22 posted on 11/28/2011 2:32:58 PM PST by stockpirate (Real hero's don't wear capes, they wear dog tags.)
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"Posse Commitatus"

You called me what? Those are fight'n words!

23 posted on 11/28/2011 2:33:45 PM PST by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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To: Bokababe

Oath Keepers



24 posted on 11/28/2011 2:35:03 PM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: Bokababe

Sounds like he wants his own version of “The Bonus Army”!


25 posted on 11/28/2011 2:35:38 PM PST by pickyourpoison (" Laus Deo ")
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To: DBrow; All

(b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS
16 AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—
17 (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The require18
ment to detain a person in military custody under
19 this section does not extend to citizens of the United
20 States.


26 posted on 11/28/2011 2:35:45 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Bokababe

The offensive section is written so loosely that the bureaucrats who implement it can do whatever the hell they want. And when it all hits the fan these weasel senators who vote for it can say - this isn’t what I thought we were voting for.


27 posted on 11/28/2011 2:35:49 PM PST by DManA
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To: reefdiver

“How did you find that so fast? Or did you help draft it?”

There are maybe three or four threads today on this. I did the research this AM. I already had the bill up because I was interested in the appropriations bill.


28 posted on 11/28/2011 2:36:15 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Bokababe

Is this so the military can legally sweep up tea party protestors?

Or, is this all about the coming economic collapse and the rioting and looting that will set fire to the nation’s concentrated Democrat parasite nests (”cities”) once the Democrat “free shit” armies start to receive less handouts from government?

Of course, I can’t see that happening. The Democrats would make sure the US military was pared down to the bone and every conceivable government function that benefits middle and upper class (especially white) taxpayers eliminated before the bums, deadbeats, and parasites who comprise the Democrat party “base” would get one dime less in handouts than they get now.


29 posted on 11/28/2011 2:39:53 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: stockpirate
Your post is very misleading, an you use the ACLU as a reference.

I'm aware and wish I could find a whole lot of Republicans -- other than Paul, Amash and a handful of other making a stink out of this, but I can't -- largely because powerful McCain and Graham are leading the charge for this. I'm putting out what's out there on the web about it.

When Lindsay Graham one of the bill's sponsors (along with John McCain) flat out say that this is declaring the US "part of the battleground", I'm taking his word for it.

30 posted on 11/28/2011 2:40:06 PM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe
I wouldn't have a problem if a traitorous American citizen lost his/her citizenship by an act of congress.

And then....

31 posted on 11/28/2011 2:42:22 PM PST by TexasCajun (Fast & Furious , Solyndra & Light Squared would be enough to impeach any White President !!)
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To: dcwusmc; bamahead; djsherin; rabscuttle385; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; AuntB; EveningStar; ...

Big One — Graham & McCain messing with Posse Commitatus.


32 posted on 11/28/2011 2:42:22 PM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: DBrow; reefdiver

I read Section 1031 and 1032 to be two separate powers. 1031 can hold ANYONE associated with 9/11, Taliban, Al-Queda or associated forces. Section 1032 covers “captured in the course of hostilities “ persons. I am not sure why there is a distinction between the two, but they should add the exclusion clause in 1032(b)(1) for US Citizens to Section 1031 as well.
In general I am completely opposed to this entire approach, especially the vague language (i.e. ‘associated forces’). Depending on the administration, that could be anyone from OWS to tea party to militia to Catholics etc...just twist the facts to show they are subversive and said or did anything that might show an association to 9/11. This expansive power is too much and can be abused way too easily.


33 posted on 11/28/2011 2:42:52 PM PST by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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To: TexasCajun
I wouldn't have a problem if a traitorous American citizen lost his/her citizenship by an act of congress.

And I'll sell popcorn at the trials -- Oh wait, there won't be any.

34 posted on 11/28/2011 2:44:30 PM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
Well, I read the bill and it states that this doesn’t apply to U.S. citizens and doesn’t apply to legal residents who are within the U.S.

Easy to fix - if the regime doesn't like you they revoke your citizenship.

35 posted on 11/28/2011 2:46:43 PM PST by NewHampshireDuo
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To: Bokababe

Oh hell, just pass the thing then we’ll worry about what’s in it. Isn’t that what we do these days? That’s what princess Nancy says anyway.
536 people in DC need to go-—NOW!!!!!


36 posted on 11/28/2011 2:48:03 PM PST by taillightchaser (The last hope for America--2012)
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To: An American!

I agree, the first section is for anyone. So it would cover these guys who leave the US and get training in Pakistan then return, as citizens, to hatch a plot.

Or training in Yemen, like Mehanna, or the guy who wanted to fly radio-controlled bombs.

If interpreted broadly, though, the law could be used to silence dissenters, but the people doing it would need to show some connection to the Taliban and their cheery buddies.


37 posted on 11/28/2011 2:48:46 PM PST by DBrow
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To: DBrow

not sure I read it that way. It says;
The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

Unless I missed something somewhere, it doesn’t say they’re not allowed to detain citizens, just that it’s not a requirement.

Also – what’s up with page 349, section b2? It says;
A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.

Do you see them defining “a belligerent act” anywhere? Would hate to think what they would consider belligerent.


38 posted on 11/28/2011 2:48:55 PM PST by krobara18 (I fully admit I may not have all of the details and could therefore be wrong on all counts)
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To: stockpirate

Yep...as if phone calls against the ObamaCare tyranny made a difference too.


39 posted on 11/28/2011 2:49:43 PM PST by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: An American!

well said - and see my last post about anyone committing a “a belligerent act”. Talk about an overly broad statement.


40 posted on 11/28/2011 2:51:05 PM PST by krobara18 (I fully admit I may not have all of the details and could therefore be wrong on all counts)
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To: DBrow

Yeah, but it only applies to “custody”, not be arrested by them. They’ll just claim, they’re not in custody, but en-route to the local jail authorities.

(b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS
AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The require
ment to detain a person in military custody under
this section does not extend to citizens of the United
States.


41 posted on 11/28/2011 2:57:05 PM PST by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Bokababe

Here is the GPO link to S. 1867
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s1867pcs/pdf/BILLS-112s1867pcs.pdf

In Section 1031 is where the concern lies.

Note that the most current version available through Thomas.loc.gov, that section is gone.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:s.01867:


42 posted on 11/28/2011 2:57:48 PM PST by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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To: DManA
The damn senators can’t even agree among themselves what it all means.

I seriously doubt that any of them were in on writing it.

43 posted on 11/28/2011 3:00:35 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who belong in jail.)
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To: Bokababe
related thread

Secret Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow MilitaryTo Sweep Up US Citizens At Home Or Abroad

from the congressional record debate (p.45), exact language that clearly stated- U.S. citizens are exempt from being policed by the U.S. Military- may have been left out at Obama's request.

44 posted on 11/28/2011 3:02:55 PM PST by opentalk
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To: Bokababe
The US government has been slowly eradicating the Posse Commitatus Act of 1878. That act banned the US government from using the US military in domestic law enforcement.

Slowly eradicating? Some do not remember the Bonus Army or the debacle at Waco.

45 posted on 11/28/2011 3:04:18 PM PST by Sarajevo (Is it true that cannibals don't eat clowns because they taste funny?)
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To: Bokababe; alarm rider; Alex1977; at bay; Babsig; BILL_C; bnelson44; ColdOne; DesScorp; G.Love; ...
Linda, you've hit a new low, even for you.

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46 posted on 11/28/2011 3:05:25 PM PST by upchuck (Rerun: Think you know hardship? Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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To: xzins

Anwar al Awlaki was a U.S. citizen.
He was also an anti-US combatant.
He was one of the first Americans executed by this President without trial.

We expect a President who has a history of “over-reach” in almost everything he touches, not to “over-reach” on this issue ? Co-signed by McCain at Obummers request ?

He won’t even send National Guard to protect the Southern border to stop an invasion of drugs, alien immigrants, or weapons . Instead , he puts up 15 highway signs to warn U.S. citizens to seek an alternative route, due to danger from drug cartels , and illegal immigration routes, and while he and the Department of “Just-us” promotes and arms the drug cartels . WHAT ARE YOU ... NUTS ???

I dont trust either major party with this authority to arrest and detain without trial, much less use the military as “enforcers “.
I dont trust either major party with this authority to abbrogate the Consitution , or re-write it , or modify it.
TRUST is something that you earn , and so far , I haven’t seen anything out of this administration that is worthy of TRUST .


47 posted on 11/28/2011 3:11:22 PM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt ( (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11) by GlockThe Vote)
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To: DBrow

They will pass another bill deleting that paragraph later.

This crap has got to stop now.


48 posted on 11/28/2011 3:14:48 PM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: opentalk

WOW! Reading pages where Graham, McCain and Levin are speaking is very eye opening. Pages 39-49.

Absolutely crazy. They are using the Christmas Day bomber as an example of why they want to detain anyone for as long as they like without access to a lawyer or judicial process.
Massive growth of Federal powers. Clear violation of the constitution. The USA, liberty and life as we truly know it is being quickly eroded through the reaction to terrorism.

http://www.lawfareblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Detainee-Debate-SASC-floor-Nov-17-and-Nov-18-20111.pdf


49 posted on 11/28/2011 3:16:40 PM PST by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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To: Bokababe
The US government has been slowly eradicating the Posse Commitatus Act of 1878

Hell, the Delta Force took out the Christian David Koresh and his followers in Waco TX. This government doesn't need laws to break, they do what ever they damn well please and that includes murdering US civilians. Posse Commitatus my aching a$$. The military needs to be turned loose in DC to clean out the rot and corruption.

50 posted on 11/28/2011 3:19:44 PM PST by drypowder
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