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Has anyone Built a AK74?

Posted on 11/28/2011 7:17:48 PM PST by Kartographer

Has anyone here on FR ever built a AK from a kit? I was looking at possible adding another AK74 but the prices have gone through the roof. Then I ran across this kit and I was wondering how hard would it be to build?

http://ak-builder.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30154


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1 posted on 11/28/2011 7:17:49 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer

Live link:

http://ak-builder.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30154


2 posted on 11/28/2011 7:18:31 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer

The price is right.


3 posted on 11/28/2011 7:20:45 PM PST by umgud
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To: Kartographer
barrel is already mounted to the trunnion, the hardest part

do you have to fabricate the receiver or is it pre-bent into shape? then it's a matter of how good are you at riveting...

4 posted on 11/28/2011 7:24:14 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Kartographer

Looks like you still need a receiver, which is the part that needs a ATF transfer done.

Careful building your own receiver, it might make you a Gun Manufacturer.


5 posted on 11/28/2011 7:27:53 PM PST by JohnKinAK
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To: Kartographer
The receiver is the serialized part, and you'll have to either purchase or fabricate one.

Then, you still have to make sure your completed gun complies with 922r, so you're going to end up replacing several of those parts from the kit with US made parts.

6 posted on 11/28/2011 7:31:20 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Kartographer

What recourse does the buyer have if any parts are missing or damaged beyond repair?

It does not seem to be a brand new gun.


7 posted on 11/28/2011 7:39:34 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: JohnKinAK

>Looks like you still need a receiver, which is the part that needs a ATF transfer done.
>Careful building your own receiver, it might make you a Gun Manufacturer.

Irrelevant. The BATFE only has power via the interstate commerce clause, and if he’s not selling anything they therefore must have no power over him.
Furthermore, the entire commerce clause reads: “To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes” which means that the regulating power of Congress upon the States is the same as that upon foreign nations... could the BATF possibly enforce its regulations upon foreign nations? No! (If it could then it would be conquered, and therefore not a foreign nation, but a territory.) So it logically cannot have the posers it claims via this clause.


8 posted on 11/28/2011 7:41:48 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

I don’t disagree with you.........but that won’t stop them from throwing you in jail.


9 posted on 11/28/2011 7:45:40 PM PST by JohnKinAK
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To: Yo-Yo

I think I skip it. By the time I get a receiver I could buy one for just a bit more and save myself the trouble.

Boy I wish I had brought a second one back when they were $349, they are $599 now.


10 posted on 11/28/2011 7:45:47 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer
Boy I wish I had brought a second one back when they were $349, they are $599 now.

Wait until after the election. With Zero out of office, a Republican House and a Republican Senate, the fear of another Assault Weapon Ban will diminish and prices might fall again.

Then again, if an AK74 were priced in ounces of gold instead of Dollars, the prices today are a steal.

11 posted on 11/28/2011 7:49:49 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Kartographer

I might just pick-up one of these:

Saiga IZ-132 7.62x39 Rifle with 16” Barrel #SAI-762

http://centerfiresystems.com/SAI-762.aspx


12 posted on 11/28/2011 7:51:51 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: JohnKinAK

>I don’t disagree with you.........but that won’t stop them from throwing you in jail.

Though, I wonder if the tin-god of ‘precedence’ could be used in this case:
http://www.constitution.org/2ll/court/fed/us_v_rock_island.htm

(Make sure it’s full-auto so you can use it.)


13 posted on 11/28/2011 7:52:28 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Kartographer
You might try this link. They have an AK47 forum.

http://www.ar15.com/

14 posted on 11/28/2011 7:53:34 PM PST by gatex (NRA, JPFO and Gun Owners of America)
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To: Kartographer

No, but bumping the thread because it sounds fun and I would love to give it a try too.


15 posted on 11/28/2011 7:57:55 PM PST by mnehring
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To: OneWingedShark

Dealing with judges is like playing Russian Roulette. Many if not most rule not based on law but on their political agenda. Until Congress grows the balls to Impeach them, my personal object is to minimize my exposure to these tyrants while going Galt.


16 posted on 11/28/2011 7:59:58 PM PST by JohnKinAK
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To: Kartographer

Dumb question for this audience but do kits like this required FFL shipment or can they be direct shipped? What is the line where kits can be direct shipped? (certain class, completion, if it is de-milled, etc?)


17 posted on 11/28/2011 8:02:48 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Kartographer

I can sew on a mean button, Kart!!! You BETCHA!

(I’ll leave the thread now. Heh)

;)


18 posted on 11/28/2011 8:07:30 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (I stand with Mr. Cain!)
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To: Kartographer
POL-TANTAL-AK........$399.99
19 posted on 11/28/2011 8:16:55 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: mnehring
no and yes... only the receiver is a registered part
20 posted on 11/28/2011 8:17:55 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: OneWingedShark
Correct, one can build non full auto firearms for self, but not to sell them. Some older firearms from the factory never had a SN, the Stevens Model 325 from late 1940s comes to mind. OTOH, I have an original JM Marlin Ballard #5 Pacific (so predates 1882) that is covered with it's SN, to include the wood and even the extractor. Photobucket Photobucket
21 posted on 11/28/2011 8:20:58 PM PST by Sea Parrot (%)
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To: Kartographer

What round does this AK-74 shoot? Is it the standard AK-74 5.45 x 39mm or something else?


22 posted on 11/28/2011 8:27:26 PM PST by Rooivalk
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To: Kartographer
Good link for books on gun law. I have "Gun Laws of America"

http://www.gunlaws.com/

23 posted on 11/28/2011 8:27:48 PM PST by gatex (NRA, JPFO and Gun Owners of America)
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To: Kartographer

You can get a brand new Polish AK74 at Classic Arms for $399.99 with a folding stock. We have a black AK 74. Excellent weapon and superior to the Bulgarian.


24 posted on 11/28/2011 8:28:52 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Kartographer
Highly recommend considering AKARS (Parabellum Armament) as it is the best rail system available. This enables you to mount an optic in a format that returns to zero (a difficult thing to achieve on an AK)
See: http://www.parabellumarmament.com/pasite/akarshome.htm
25 posted on 11/28/2011 8:30:35 PM PST by Mr. Binnacle
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To: Kartographer

Fun to build but not for the faint of heart. Probably not cost effective for one rifle build but gets better the more you build.


26 posted on 11/28/2011 8:36:32 PM PST by BOBWADE
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To: Kartographer
I might just pick-up one of these: Saiga IZ-132 7.62x39 Rifle with 16” Barrel #SAI-762

The Saigas are great rifles - everything is true, the barrels are chrome-lined, and they are easy to convert to pistol-grip configuration, should you choose to do so. I had one in 5.45, and it was a great shooter.

I collect milsurps, so I went with a different tactical carbine:


27 posted on 11/28/2011 8:39:54 PM PST by TonyInOhio (Ohio's four seasons: pre-Winter, Winter, post-Winter, and Humid)
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To: 300winmag

Might you have any suggestions for Kartographer?


28 posted on 11/28/2011 9:14:43 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Kartographer

Why would you not build something more accurate?


29 posted on 11/28/2011 9:32:28 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: TonyInOhio; Kartographer
K: I might just pick-up one of these: Saiga IZ-132 7.62x39 Rifle with 16” Barrel #SAI-762

T: The Saigas are great rifles - everything is true, the barrels are chrome-lined, and they are easy to convert to pistol-grip configuration, should you choose to do so. I had one in 5.45, and it was a great shooter.

I agree with Tony. I've built several AKs from parts kits, and I've also done a .223 Saiga conversion, and I definitely recommend doing a Saiga conversion, instead of a parts kit build.

30 posted on 11/28/2011 9:33:38 PM PST by Ocean Ranger ('unrestricted ocean operations')
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To: Rooivalk

5.45 is standard for the AK 74


31 posted on 11/28/2011 9:51:09 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: MrEdd
First my AK 74 is pretty accurate.


Iron Sights at 100 yards
32 posted on 11/28/2011 9:54:52 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: smokingfrog

You get a special discount?

Looks like they are listed at $449

http://classicarms.us/semi-auto%20rifles.htm


33 posted on 11/28/2011 9:56:23 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: Georgia Girl 2

You get a special discount?

Looks to me they are listed for $449

http://classicarms.us/semi-auto%20rifles.htm


34 posted on 11/28/2011 9:57:27 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: smokingfrog

Thanks


35 posted on 11/28/2011 10:01:20 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: Georgia Girl 2
"Excellent weapon and superior to the Bulgarian."

Don't go bad mouthing my 'Bulgie' she's sweet and she's hasn't ever fail me.
36 posted on 11/28/2011 10:06:14 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: SuziQ; Kartographer
Might you have any suggestions for Kartographer?

It's pretty much a question of what someone wants. It's a great project if you like tinkering and making stuff. And if you don't mind buying more parts to maintain 922r compliance.

If one is looking at absolute rock-bottom price, buy a SKS, since they are still cheap, just not as dirt cheap as before. As far as ammo goes, 5.45mm ammo is scarcer, and offers less choice than 7.62mm or 5.56mm NATO.

Oddly, prices on "generic" AR15s are dropping, due to so many manufacturers and OEM parts suppliers are getting into the act. Everybody wants to get into the act of selling "America's rifle". No problems with 922r compliance. You just have to buy a serial-numbered lower receiver.

M4 clones can range in price from $700 to $2400, and yet anything in that range can be a good or bad deal, depending on what you want. I've had extremely good luck with DPMS on prices and qualities, making them a good buy among second-tier manufacturers. I stumble across ads from a lot of dealers offering $100 or more off all the time. I like DPMS because it tunes up real well, if you know the tricks.

I still feel a M4 clone offers the lowest overall cost-of-ownership, when you throw in ammo, spares, and common sources of parts. It is also ridiculously easy to learn to shoot it effectively. And it is now so common, a lot of people out there know a lot about it, so you spend less time building, and complying, and more time shooting. YMMV

37 posted on 11/28/2011 10:49:19 PM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: JohnKinAK
Careful building your own receiver, it might make you a Gun Manufacturer.

Not so. Even the tyrants at BATFE acknowledge that you may legally build your own gun (so long as it's not an NFA item), although you may never sell it.

38 posted on 11/28/2011 11:08:42 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: 300winmag

5.45 scare? I can get still get surplus ammo for less than $300 for 2160 rds. At that price I can afford to go shooting regularly.


39 posted on 11/28/2011 11:16:29 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer

Try this book: “Homemade Guns And Homemade Ammo”, by Ronald B. Brown. You can probably buy it online, maybe from alibris.com


40 posted on 11/29/2011 4:29:40 AM PST by jespasinthru (Proud member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy.)
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To: Kartographer
AZEX.CO will build one to your specs. Quality.

I've looked at these "kits" at gun shows. Ugly, damaged furniture. Rust spots. Over all opinion? Junk. Years ago I bought an assembled AK-74 from the hammer monkeys at Century Arms. I replaced the furniture and put ACE stock on. Redid the "guts." Now a quality firearm.

By the time you replace/repair the kit, you'll have almost as much $$ in it as you would purchasing an assembled firearm.

41 posted on 11/29/2011 4:48:48 AM PST by donozark (Sam Walton:"It was paper when we started, and it's paper afterwards.")
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To: Kartographer

I looked at them 5 minutes ago and they are $399.99. Item# POL-TANTAL-AK. Check again. They are about 2/3 the down the semi auto page. Sorry to badmouth your Bulgarian. LOL! We have the Polish. Its sweet. Deadly accurate out to 200 yards.

www.classicarms.us/


42 posted on 11/29/2011 8:08:34 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Mr. Binnacle

BFL

thanks


43 posted on 11/29/2011 2:43:15 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB (Congress: Looting the future to bribe the present.)
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