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Are Conservatives Ready to Forgive Newt Gingrich His Sins?
Red State ^ | November 30, 2011 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 11/30/2011 2:13:19 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

I am now officially a self-declared member of the “Not Romney” camp. I will absolutely, positively support Mitt Romney should he win the GOP nomination, but I believe the GOP would meet certain doom if he is the nominee. Therefore, should Gingrich be the only other choice, I’d side with Gingrich over Romney.

But I think in the next few weeks conservatives must ask themselves if they are ready to forgive Newt his sins. I’m not talking about his adultery and wives. I’m not really even talking about his ego. What I am talking about is only tangentially related to his sitting on a couch with Nancy Pelosi.

It was, after all, Newt Gingrich who advocated for an individual mandate long before Mitt Romney ever did. Gingrich has, like Clinton before him, been a “third way” fan of new fangled ways to do things. The conservative warrior people tend to think Gingrich is, often is not. Newt has a fascination with the shiny in policy and technology, hence the latest oppo drop on Newt that he once praised Donald Berwick, the Obama appointee chosen to oversee the death panels and shoving of grandparents over the medical cost savings cliff.

To be fair to Gingrich, he was offering legitimate praise to Berwick way back when and Berwick’s own writings that Newt praised would be damning to Obamacare. But it is the first of many attacks.

The real issue for Gingrich is that he is the Great American Sisyphus, always rolling his political rock up a hill only to see it go tumbling back down. And unfortunately for many, when Newt reaches the top of the hill and his political career starts its roll back down the hill, many others get rolled over in the process.

Gingrich is going to need to convince people he has changed. Conservatives must be ready to forgive him his sins. And as conservatives come to terms with Gingrich’s sins, they are going to be confronted by a man named Tom Coburn who wrote a book called Breach of Trust and a man named Robert Novak who wrote the foreword to that book. One excerpt will be particularly troubling to conservative activists currently enamored with Newt’s debating skills.

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Gingrich either felt that he could not use his office to control spending or was not willing to lose his office to control spending. This goes to the heart of the matter: If your decisions are based on not losing a position, you cannot effectively serve the best long-term interests of the country.

Sen. Tom A. Coburn M.D.; John Hart. Breach of Trust: How Washington Turns Outsiders Into Insiders (Kindle Locations 1283-1285). Kindle Edition.

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If Newt can withstand the rehashing of Tom Coburn’s book — a book that portrays Gingrich as talking the talk, but betraying the talk once in office — we may have our anti-Romney. If not, I think Rick Perry may yet have a second coming if he is ready. I say that having asked many callers to my radio show who are Cain supporters where they would go. Most say Newt. The others Perry. And if Newt implodes? They almost always say they’d go to Perry — Romney is rarely their choice.

Some excerpts from Breach of Trust below the fold.

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Coburn made his presence felt immediately. It became clear to him that Speaker Gingrich, House Majority Leader Armey and the rest of the Republican leadership were not what they pretended to be. They were revolutionaries in name only, content to take possession from the Democrats of the machinery of government and then run it virtually unchanged. That froze in place the system of pork barrel spending that young Woodrow Wilson described in Congressional Government more than 130 years ago.

Sen. Tom A. Coburn M.D.;John Hart. Breach of Trust: How Washington Turns Outsiders Into Insiders (Kindle Locations 55-58). Kindle Edition.

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Gingrich talked a lot about the importance of listening, but he was often not interested in discussing our ideas. He had a saying on his wall in the Speaker’s office that he quoted often: “Listen, learn, help, and lead.” The freshmen later developed our own quote about Gingrich: “Fire, Ready, Aim.”

Sen. Tom A. Coburn M.D.;John Hart. Breach of Trust: How Washington Turns Outsiders Into Insiders (Kindle Locations 849-850). Kindle Edition.

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Gingrich would receive our input, but he rarely took it seriously. He usually made us feel as if we didn’t have much value because we didn’t know anything about the political game in Washington. We were from the outside and wet behind the ears in terms of politics, and we obviously didn’t know as much about history as he did. It would not take long for us to become “the conservatives” to him.

Sen. Tom A. Coburn M.D.;John Hart. Breach of Trust: How Washington Turns Outsiders Into Insiders (Kindle Locations 850-853). Kindle Edition.


TOPICS: Government; Politics; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: gingrich2012; morals; trust; values

1 posted on 11/30/2011 2:13:26 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All; shield
Power and soul struggle: Vander Plaats Says He's Still Searching for Clarity (Iowa FAMiLY leader endorsement angst) …………..”Sources familiar with the meetings at Walnut Creek Church have indicated that the goal of the meeting is to come to a conclusion as to which candidate social conservatives should rally behind. In the first meeting there was no consensus, but when they met for a second time, a new candidate rating system was unveiled. What TheIowaRepublican.com was told is that Bachmann received the highest ranking with 36 points, followed by Santorum with 35.5, Perry with 34, and Gingrich with 31.5.

It’s unknown who created the criteria and what it all entails, but the meeting has a large contingent of Bachmann supporters. The reason why this is important is because TheIowaRepublican.com was told that this group has been charged with making a recommendation to the FAMiLY Leader’s board before they decide on who they will endorse. When asked why his board of directors cannot make a decision on their own, Vander Plaats admitted that the board will seek the input of others, and added that, “Wisdom comes in a multitude of counsel.”

Since showering praise on Gingrich in an interview with the Des Moines Register following the forum, social conservatives leaders around the state have been grumbling about what they think is a likelihood that Vander Plaats may endorse Gingrich.

Yesterday, an anonymous letter from a group called Iowans for Christian Leaders in Government distributed an open letter that they had sent Vander Plaats warning him about the negative ramifications that endorsing Gingrich would bring. The letter stated that Vander Plaats’ endorsement “may be guided, not by prayer and conviction, but by personal benefit and prior relationships.”

Vander Plaats traveled the state in 2008 to advocate on behalf Gingrich’s American Solutions. Gingrich also provided financial support to Vander Plaats’ effort to defeat three Iowa Supreme Court justices last fall. Vander Plaats also received financial support from the American Family Association and worked with Wayne Hamilton, a key Perry aide. …………

While Vander Plaats and the FAMiLY Leader are still searching for clarity, there is one thing he was very clear about. The process is more difficult because their goal is not to just find a candidate who can beat President Obama next fall, but this candidate also needs to be able to beat Mitt Romney.

The only question for Vander Plaats and the FAMiLY Leader is, what kind of candidate will best accomplish that goal? A surefire conservative whose core convictions match theirs, or a candidate who already has momentum or has the connections that may pay dividends down the road?”

2 posted on 11/30/2011 2:14:00 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I can live with Newt—He aint perfect—he has warts—but He can do the job. I don’t see anyone else out there? Ron Paul? You surly jest. He would be the sort of president we need. He might even become great.


3 posted on 11/30/2011 2:44:18 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
..."If Newt can withstand the rehashing of Tom Coburn’s book — a book that portrays Gingrich as talking the talk, but betraying the talk once in office — we may have our anti-Romney. If not, I think Rick Perry may yet have a second coming if he is ready. I say that having asked many callers to my radio show who are Cain supporters where they would go. Most say Newt. The others Perry. And if Newt implodes? They almost always say they’d go to Perry — Romney is rarely their choice."...
4 posted on 11/30/2011 2:55:33 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Now we know where Mitt spends his campaign money - no one wants to listen to him so, better than campaigning, he puts his staff to work and here’s their work.


5 posted on 11/30/2011 3:01:03 AM PST by presently no screen name (If it's not in God's Word, don't pass it off as truth! That's satan's job)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Are Conservatives Ready to Forgive Newt Gingrich His Sins?

Jesus forgave him 2000 years ago. The American people are being called upon not so much to forgive him, as to assess if he's shown the "fruits of repentance": a chastened and changed mind and heart. I'm not convinced.

6 posted on 11/30/2011 3:08:49 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I would say, before forgiving one of one's true sins (which occured), it is time we clear the air and bring justice to the situation of one with alleged yet unsubstantiated sins from questional sources.

How can the way be cleared for one leading Presidential candidate with confirmed baggage, knocking another leading Presidential candidate out of the way on the basis (or competitive benefits gained therein) of mere hearsay and "unconfirmed" baggage?

To me, this is no justice.

I would say, in a moral sense, there is a definite line of priority here.

Just going on the headline question posed for the article. People have to get the order right on these things.

7 posted on 11/30/2011 3:10:39 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (RINO Establishment's next move: State GOP parties boot conservative candidates from future debates)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

NO


8 posted on 11/30/2011 3:15:05 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Why not? I had to forgive clinton his sins and forgive zero not even being a natural-born citizen. Newt is better than both of those, smarter than and just as conservative as Bush I and II. That makes hom better thazn every President soince Reagan.


9 posted on 11/30/2011 3:23:54 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Some people have praised the current roster of Republican candidates and said that they were very strong. In general, I do not find them to be strong or appealing. Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich are the only two who stand out for me. Both seem to have some problems — but I would vote for either of them.


10 posted on 11/30/2011 3:24:37 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Roll the stone away, Let the guilty pay, It's Independence Day)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

That is the wrong question.

The correct question is:

“Will the liberals and leftists be able to rekindle animosity among conservatives by constantly digging into Newt’s personal life after the liberals and leftists destroy every other good conservative candidate and pick not the weakest candidate but the one that looks strong but who has enough weaknesses that he or she can also be destroyed before the election?”


11 posted on 11/30/2011 3:26:42 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival. (Karl Denninger has jumped the shark. Do not visit his blog.))
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

No.

No more rinos... Not now not ever... F newt and Mitt


12 posted on 11/30/2011 3:47:39 AM PST by myself6
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

There’s a WHOLE BUNCH of issues out there that are KILLER ISSUES.
“Killer issue” means if you get it wrong—you’re DEAD.
Get ONE killer issue wrong, all the other ones right—YOU’RE STILL DEAD.

The “not perfect” candidate will KILL YOU iffen he’s wrong on JUST ONE issue—if it’s important enough.


13 posted on 11/30/2011 3:55:55 AM PST by Flintlock (Photo ID for all voters. Let the dead rest in peace.)
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To: PapaNew

Forgiving and electing is two different things.


14 posted on 11/30/2011 4:02:20 AM PST by TexMom7
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

No. We just don’t want to vote for Romney.


15 posted on 11/30/2011 4:06:04 AM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Perry is done. Cooked. This time I am serious. He does not know that the election is 6 November 2012 and that you can vote at 18. Those are so serious problems. I definitely don’t think he can win the general for sure now.


16 posted on 11/30/2011 4:07:45 AM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul. Perry and Obama are 100 percent the same!!!!!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I am beginning to believe ‘conservatives’ are a lot like Charlie Brown and Lucy.

Com’n Charlie kick the football!


17 posted on 11/30/2011 4:07:45 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: napscoordinator

You’re so cute giving up over and over on someone you never were for — just your standard opposition post.

Did you see Gov. Perry’s interview on Fox this morning?

Hit it out of the ball park.


18 posted on 11/30/2011 4:47:30 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

No. He is disgusting and so is his blonde.


19 posted on 11/30/2011 4:57:54 AM PST by Hattie
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Every single one of our crappy candidates is 1,000 times better than anti American Obama....


20 posted on 11/30/2011 5:02:47 AM PST by CAluvdubya (Cain is not the one that called me "heartless" and "inhumane"! MERRY CHRISTMAS!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

We are at such critical mass in this country, does anyone really understand the situation we are in? Personally, I don’t think there is going to be an election, something will be manufactured to suspend. But in the meantime, let’s pretend, we better stop worrying about, blondes, pictures with Pelosi, RINOS, and start to find the positives in EACH Republican candidate or we are done.


21 posted on 11/30/2011 5:08:17 AM PST by Toespi
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
For Cain, sans Cain, Bachman, sans Cain and Bachman,Santorum.

No RINOs not now not ever!

It ain't over til it's votered.

22 posted on 11/30/2011 5:18:48 AM PST by Happy Rain ( "Many of the most useful idiots of the Left are on the Right.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It doesn’t matter who the nominee is for the Republicans, if they Nominate Elmer Fudd, he’d win against the “present” president that is a statistically-proven total failure and now is clocked at a “popularity” rating BELOW Jimmy Carter. No matter who “our guy” is ... and s/he won’t be perfect ... s/he’ll be 100% better than the jerk we have pretending to run things now.


23 posted on 11/30/2011 5:30:00 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Gingrich is McCain with a trainload of baggage.

Both tug on the conservative strings, then slam the conservatives to the curb whenever possible.

Gingrich will probably do about as good in the 2012 General as McCain did in the 2008 General.

And, the MSM/Dems still have almost a whole year to rehabilitate/resurrect the Obama brand.

As for Gingrich and debates, yes, he is great in debates. No, he won’t slaughter Obama. Any good used car salesman, given some preparation time, can be a good debater. It is what would come AFTER the debates — holding office — where the concern lies with Gingrich. Will he be Gingrich-on-the-Couch-with Nancy? Or will he be Fold-and-Run-Gingrich who resigned his Speakership and basically walked out on his House seat? With Gingrich, you never really know what you got.


24 posted on 11/30/2011 5:51:06 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

As a Christian I must forgive (after all, I have been forgiven) and I hope. I hope that Speaker Gingrich has indeed begun to learn new lessons of humility and faithfulness. If he becomes the nominee, I will pray for him like crazy.(I will pray for whomever is the nominee against Obama.)

As a Christian, I also pray that we will be granted the blessing of the right leader for this nation at such a crucial time. I will trust God more than I trust man for this.

What we all see these days more clearly than before is an intense battle between good and evil. We would do well to pay a lot more attention to that in each of our own individual lives ... as well as the battle between good and evil for this nation.


25 posted on 11/30/2011 5:52:40 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Toespi

“...we better stop worrying about, blondes, pictures with Pelosi, RINOS, and start to find the positives in EACH Republican candidate or we are done.”

I SO agree.


26 posted on 11/30/2011 5:55:12 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: CAluvdubya
Every single one of our crappy candidates is 1,000 times better than anti American Obama....

That won't get them elected.

Even at his low, Obama still has near 49% approval from his supporters. Right now, he may be the worst president in recent history, but this isn't 1980 and the GOP has no Reagan. Give the MSM/Dems 11 months to rehab him and skewer whichever candidate the GOP nominates.
27 posted on 11/30/2011 6:08:32 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Been totally swamped at work for a couple of weeks. What in the world happened with your Perry love affair?


28 posted on 11/30/2011 6:41:39 AM PST by ngat
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To: SumProVita

Thank you! The world is on fire right now, in every aspect. The ME is ready to explode, the world is crumbling financially, Israel is in great peril, terrorism could again strike the US at any moment, our government is infiltrated with liars, theives, socialism and the list goes on. Yet, there are those who want to focus on a “pure” right wing candidate that is non-existent and couldn’t win anyway. As an example, IF Palin thought for one minute she could have won the nomination, she would have thrown her hat in the ring, she didn’t and that tells me all I need to know. There are life and death issues here folks and personally, I could care less what color Newts’ wife’s hair color is, his weight, or photo ops, I just want a nation where my grandchildren can live safely.
Newt is an experienced navigator of these dangerous waters with vast knowledge and I stand firmly behind him to lead us out of this crisis.


29 posted on 11/30/2011 6:45:07 AM PST by Toespi
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

I think Newt Gingrich is the guy we need for this time in history. He’s not afraid to try something new and he will look out for the best interest of America not the rest of the world.


30 posted on 11/30/2011 7:23:05 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: TexMom7
Forgiving and electing is two different things.

Right. Why should I vote for someone who betrayed my trust seemingly brazenly. To me there's a certain contriteness missing here.

And if that's what it means to be an insider, then throw all the bums out.

31 posted on 11/30/2011 9:05:42 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Well, standing on the shore, Newt's observations are very insightful.

But in the 90's he showed us that once he's out in the water, he gets tangled up. He has not shown himself to be trustworthy. And once back on shore, hasn't shown a certain contriteness about his serious misdeeds and betrayals. Therefore, I don't trust him.

Is he the best of the remaining bunch (assuming that "glug, glug, glug" is Cain)? No, I think I trust Perry before Newt.

Between Newt and Romney? Close call because I don't trust Romney either.

How can our two best candidates be gone (one actually, the other constructively)? Either Sarah or Jesus need to come back soon.

32 posted on 11/30/2011 9:18:49 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew

In 1994 Newt Gingrich was a fantastic Speaker. He drug Clinton kicking and screaming to welfare reform. 4 balanced budgets. He played chicken with Clinton and let the govt shutdown. I was cheering him. His reward was that the same bunch of spineless RINO’s led by Tammy Faye Boehner threw Newt to the wolves because they couldn’t take the heat. Some things never change. Look where we are now.

Newt Gingrich will be a fine president. Any of the candidates on that debate stage would be 1000% better than the red diaper baby we have in the White House now.


33 posted on 11/30/2011 9:39:06 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
I was cheering him on too, until he crashed and burned with his extra-martial affair and his admitted House ethics violations. We're supposed to be the people for traditional American and family values. I think the American people would be ready to let it go if he showed a little more contriteness and less arrogance.
34 posted on 11/30/2011 11:01:21 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew

He was cleared of charges and he says he has made his peace with God. I am more interested in what he will do as President. The 21st Century Contract For America is a good start.


35 posted on 11/30/2011 4:47:47 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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