NASA’s Bushnell: LENR Solves Global Climate and Energy

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[Kevmo]

NASA’s Bushnell: BTW LENR Solves Global Climate and Energy
admin on December 2, 2011 — 9 Comments
The long-awaited details from Dennis Bushnell’s Sep 22, 2011 presentation have surfaced. They are still not on the official site (bottom of page) and I can’t find the original through Google, so I put a slight cautionary note here that the contents have yet to be verified. Believe it or not, these are just some of the points he makes. None of them will surprise many of you reading this but even so and coming from someone famed for sticking his neck out like Dennis Bushnell, I still have to say, Wow!
Over 2 decades with over 100 experiments worldwide indicate LENR is real, much greater than Chemical, Transmutations, Minimal radiation
The many Rossi demonstrations in 2011 suggest LENR may produce”useful” quantities of heat [up to 15KWs ?]. Watts-to-Kilowatts also produced in Piantelli and Patterson Experiments
Between Chemical and strong force Nuc Energy Densities with minimal radiation safety/ protection requirements/ issues, probably “inexpensive”
Direct and potentially massively/ truly “game-changing”
The Rossi device, possibly producing useful energy but wholly “Edisonian”, not “scalable” and not “Optimized”
Huge number of “knobs”/ approaches appear to”work”, issue is how good can it be? Requires experiments guided by theory and major “creative” efforts/ inputs along with CAREFUL Experiments, YEARS of effort required. Rossi is just the merest beginnings of the research/ engineering optimization required.
Superb light weight power/ energy sources for space probes/ instruments and hoppers/ rovers, far less expensive than solar and better than radiologics for beyond Mars where solar does not “work”
Reduced LEO (Low Earth Orbit) and in space propulsion weights/ costs
Solves EDL (Entry, Descent, and Landing) for large payloads to Mars via ingestion, heating and retro injection of atmospheric CO2
Potentially obviates order of 80% of the 1000 metric ton LEO (Low Earth Orbit) up-mass for Humans Mars which is in-space fuel, Propulsive mass from far outer region atmosphere or regolith
Source for energy beaming, energy to terraform Mars, Enables Active Space Radiation Protection
Overall, enables what we have never had – “Energy Rich” design space[s]
Fuel fraction becomes negligible, huge impacts upon vehicle gross weights, especially for SST’s which are some 55% fuel fraction
For the military– EMP on steroids, VTOL obviates air bases/ runways/ carrier decks, enables loitering combined sensor/ weapon devices [ instead of getting there in time ARE THERE, always]
In Short, LENR , depending upon the TBD performance, appears to be capable of Revolutionizing Aerospace across the board. No other single technology even comes close to the potential impacts of LENR upon Agency Missions.
Test/ determine the performance of the Rossi and Piantelli devices
Experimentally validate the weak interaction theories
The 2 decades of experiments and the weak interaction theories have removed the existential risk, what is remaining is to ENGINEER for improved performance. Also obviously all the safety issues, labs have blown up studying this arena
SO – Invent/ create optimized/ improved LENR “Devices”, testing “Rossi” is merely a small first step, do the systems and propulsive/other application R&D
BTW LENR [ also] solves Global Climate and Energy
We went directly from Chemical to strong force Nuc and in the process bought huge energetics improvements and radiation protection/ safety issues that precluded fission nuc application[s], We leapt over the weak interaction energetics landscape except for radiologics. It is time to back-track.




From the NASA website

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/sensors/PhySen/research.htm



Tests conducted at NASA Glenn Research Center in 1989 and elsewhere consistently showed evidence of anomalous heat during gaseous loading and unloading deuterium into bulk palladium. At one time called “cold fusion,” now called “low-energy nuclear reactions” (LENR), such effects are now published in peer-reviewed journals and are gaining attention and mainstream respectability. The instrumentation expertise of NASA GRC is applied to improve the diagnostics for investigating the anomalous heat in LENR.
Relevant Presentation: + Download presentation given at a LENR Workshop at NASA GRC in 2011 [available soon].

[Kevmo]

http://ecatnews.com/?p=1554

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/sensors/PhySen/research.htm

The Cold Fusion Ping List

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles

-------------------------------------------------------------- http://ecatnews.com/?p=1144

Unfortunately, if Rossi did the following:

1) hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps,

2) created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos,

3) bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos

4) arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real,

5) got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field,

6) got Bushnell to make a fool of himself,

7) and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum ----- or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow,

8) sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; ----- certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device ----- and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan

9) and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion ----- to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, ----- to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam

[the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars ----- until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table ----- because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes ----- and knows that they will just take his word for it ----- and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) ]

10) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out

then, yes, all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses.

[Kevmo]

http://ecatnews.com/?p=1554

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/sensors/PhySen/research.htm

The Cold Fusion Ping List

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles

[Kevmo]

interesting comments as well, such as this one:

Sojourner Soo
December 3, 2011 - 1:56 am | Permalink
This is the Bushnell lecture referred to by Krivit in this article, is it not? http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/09/28/nasa-advances-evaluation-of-piantelli%E2%80%99s-lenr-research/

Krivit reposted Rossi’s comments about him in the same piece. I had read on Albert Kong’s FB page some time ago that Piantelli and NASA are also working together. So, I guess overall it means that LENR is “real.” Personally, I find it strange that Piantelli dusted off his Ni-H research only after Rossi had success. As for DGT, I have difficulties with a company that screws their business partner. This could have been just the thing Greece needed, but DGT was too smart by half, I feel. All that said, all this nonsense is tedious and rather boring. Give Rossi his patents, please, and let’s get this thing rolled out to the masses ASAP. People are going to claim the invention is theirs and not Rossi’s, but most of us are aware of what “chronological order” means. So do most jurors I would imagine, if it ever came down to that.

[Kevmo]

http://www.ecatplanet.net/content.php?123-LENR-Presentation-by-Dennis-Bushnell-Chief-Scientist-NASA-Langley

Slide presentations from the LENR workshop at NASA Glenn Research Center reveal the growing interest at NASA on LENR technology. Dennis talks about the current state of LENR research, where NASA has a role, and how it can positively impact aeronautics across the board.
(This ecatplanet.net exclusive is part 1 of a series. The original ppt files can be downloaded here by registered users

[count-your-change]

“NASA’s Bushnell: LENR Solves Global Climate and Energy”

Folks, sell your oil company stock, it's gonna drop like a rock!
Like Robinson Crusoe and Friday being rescued by the Titanic, Global Climate and Energy see the good ship LENR pulling up to their far away island. At least according to Bushnell?

Did I mention this is “NASA’s” Bushnell?

[Johnny B.]

Kevmo, since you insist on inserting your little Rossi diatribe in an article that has nothing to do with Rossi, I feel free to add this:

Reasons to doubt Rossi

• Still no independent confirmation that the E-Cat does anything useful from any known, credible company, university or other organization.
• Still no independent confirmation that Rossi has any customers.
• In spite of Rossi's claims to have sold his house to pay for it, and in spite of the millions of dollars in alleged sales of his E-Cats, Rossi has still not paid anything to the University of Bologna for testing as he had promised. (LINK)
  
• No one has found a single record indicating that Rossi's "secret NATO Colonel" really exists.
• Every public demo of the E-Cat was tightly controlled by Rossi, and they all had significant flaws that prevented an honest and full evaluation of his claims.
• NASA investigated Rossi's E-Cat, and determined that Rossi had failed to prove his claim of producing excess energy. (LINK)
  
• In spite of a coordinated attempt to claim an association with the University of Bologna, there was no such association. (Italian, English)
• The only bit of physical evidence, the "samples" of his "secret" Nickle-based fuel, contradict everything Rossi and his associates have claimed about the process they claim to be occurring in the E-Cat. (LINK, LINK, LINK and LINK)
• Rossi has a web blog he claims is a "Journal". He took the name of an existing scientific journal ("Journal of Nuclear Physics"). (LINK)
  
• Rossi has partnered up with a man (Sterling D. Allan) who has a long history of supporting energy scams. (Too many links to include: just Google "Sterling Allan scam")
  
• Rossi's European partner supposedly is selling a "genuine" perpetual motion machine. (LINK)
  
• Rossi's company and AmpEnergo, the company that supposedly bought the American distribution rights for his E-Cat, have been operating out of the same rental office for the last several years, making it unclear that they are really separate companies at all. (LINK)

And, the biggest reason to doubt Rossi:

• Rossi has a extensive history of racketeering and fraud in Italy. (LINK)
  

[Wonder Warthog]

"Did I mention this is “NASA’s” Bushnell?

Nice try at hinting that Bushnell is incompetent because he is associated with (horror of horrors), the evil "NASA".

Unfortunately for your "meme", Bushnell worked there during its height of "competency", well before it disintegrated into a "make work" program due budget cuts and pressure from liberal politicians. His technical track record speaks for itself....no comments needed from you.

[count-your-change]

In that case it's really great that “global climate and energy” has been solved.
The polar bears are safe and glaciers can sleep safely tucked away in distant valleys.....all because of a water heater.
The hot air balloon of hype has reached “leo”, that be NASA talk that speaks for itself and I'll comment as I wish thank you very much unless you want to make this a “Caucus of the Gullible”.

[MCH]

I'm not familiar with Bushnell, so he may well be quite competent. However, you can't blame an awful lot of FReepers for looking at a claim from someone who works at NASA, home of the "esteemed" AGW nut-job James Hansen, with just a bit of skepticism. Especially so given the "Solves Global Climate and Energy" title. They just had to throw in the "solves global climate" crap. Smears the entire post IMHO.

[muawiyah]

However, Ampenergo has "owners" who are also better known as "LTI" ~ which I think everybody who's dug into that nexus now knows is about as strange as it ever was.

Here's my latest thought ~ for what it's worth ~ Ampenergo provides this crowd an outlet for LENR information glommed up by LTI from DOE contracts over the last 20 years. ~ there's your scam ~ it's on the taxpayers.

Still, otherwise none of that stuff would ever show up in the public domain because, alas, it really is being sat on by the Hot Nukes crowd at DOE.

It's possible the Obama Regime is the hero in this (oh, Lord, let us hope not) because of their advocacy of EVERYTHING BUT COAL, OIL and NUKES!

[Wonder Warthog]

"....unless you want to make this a “Caucus of the Gullible”"

I'd be satisfied if I could make it into a "Caucus of Rational Discussion", instead of one laden with seagull ****.

[Moonman62]

They are still not on the official site (bottom of page) and I can’t find the original through Google, so I put a slight cautionary note here that the contents have yet to be verified.

The usual rumors and gibberish that Kevmo likes to copy and paste.

[Lx]

I went to your Nasa link to find this report because I wanted to format it. I can't find it at Nasa's link. However, searching Google, I came up with it from here:
LENR solves...

The long-awaited details from Dennis Bushnell’s Sep 22, 2011 presentation have surfaced. They are still not on the official site (bottom of page) and I can’t find the original through Google, so I put a slight cautionary note here that the contents have yet to be verified. Believe it or not, these are just some of the points he makes. None of them will surprise many of you reading this but even so and coming from someone famed for sticking his neck out like Dennis Bushnell, I still have to say, Wow!

Over 2 decades with over 100 experiments worldwide indicate LENR is real, much greater than Chemical, Transmutations, Minimal radiation

The many Rossi demonstrations in 2011 suggest LENR may produce”useful” quantities of heat [up to 15KWs ?]. Watts-to-Kilowatts also produced in Piantelli and Patterson Experiments

Between Chemical and strong force Nuc Energy Densities with minimal radiation safety/ protection requirements/ issues, probably “inexpensive”

Direct and potentially massively/ truly “game-changing”

The Rossi device, possibly producing useful energy but wholly “Edisonian”, not “scalable” and not “Optimized”

Huge number of “knobs”/ approaches appear to”work”, issue is how good can it be? Requires experiments guided by theory and major “creative” efforts/ inputs along with CAREFUL Experiments, YEARS of effort required. Rossi is just the merest beginnings of the research/ engineering optimization required.

Superb light weight power/ energy sources for space probes/ instruments and hoppers/ rovers, far less expensive than solar and better than radiologics for beyond Mars where solar does not “work”

Reduced LEO (Low Earth Orbit) and in space propulsion weights/ costs

Solves EDL (Entry, Descent, and Landing) for large payloads to Mars via ingestion, heating and retro injection of atmospheric CO2

Potentially obviates order of 80% of the 1000 metric ton LEO (Low Earth Orbit) up-mass for Humans Mars which is in-space fuel, Propulsive mass from far outer region atmosphere or regolith

Source for energy beaming, energy to terraform Mars, Enables Active Space Radiation Protection

Overall, enables what we have never had – “Energy Rich” design space[s]

Fuel fraction becomes negligible, huge impacts upon vehicle gross weights, especially for SST’s which are some 55% fuel fraction

For the military– EMP on steroids, VTOL obviates air bases/ runways/ carrier decks, enables loitering combined sensor/ weapon devices [ instead of getting there in time ARE THERE, always]

In Short, LENR , depending upon the TBD performance, appears to be capable of Revolutionizing Aerospace across the board. No other single technology even comes close to the potential impacts of LENR upon Agency Missions.

Test/ determine the performance of the Rossi and Piantelli devices

Experimentally validate the weak interaction theories

The 2 decades of experiments and the weak interaction theories have removed the existential risk, what is remaining is to ENGINEER for improved performance. Also obviously all the safety issues, labs have blown up studying this arena

SO – Invent/ create optimized/ improved LENR “Devices”, testing “Rossi” is merely a small first step, do the systems and propulsive/other application R&D

BTW LENR [ also] solves Global Climate and Energy

We went directly from Chemical to strong force Nuc and in the process bought huge energetics improvements and radiation protection/ safety issues that precluded fission nuc application[s], We leapt over the weak interaction energetics landscape except for radiologics. It is time to back-track.

---

Kevmo, why did you include a Nasa link, is this article on Nasa's website or are you trying to legitimize this article? I found it on ECATNEWS, certainly not a neutral publication.

See Kevmo, one of the five html commands you could learn in five minutes would have made your post readable.

[Lx]

Well, it looks like I am in error. The very bottom of Kevmo's post is the part from Nasa. Kevmo, my apologies for my mistake.

This is the part from Nasa's website:

Link to Nasa for the text below:

Tests conducted at NASA Glenn Research Center in 1989 and elsewhere consistently showed evidence of anomalous heat during gaseous loading and unloading deuterium into bulk palladium. At one time called “cold fusion,” now called “low-energy nuclear reactions” (LENR), such effects are now published in peer-reviewed journals and are gaining attention and mainstream respectability. The instrumentation expertise of NASA GRC is applied to improve the diagnostics for investigating the anomalous heat in LENR.

Relevant Presentation: + Download presentation given at a LENR Workshop at NASA GRC in 2011 [available soon].

[CodeToad]

"The many Rossi demonstrations in 2011 suggest LENR may produce”useful” quantities of heat "

"May". Your title is a complete bullsh*t lie. He did not say "solves" as in present tense "does solve". Nice try at propaganda. You are obviously an idiot with reading comprehension problems.

[aruanan]

"May". Your title is a complete bullsh*t lie. He did not say "solves" as in present tense "does solve". Nice try at propaganda. You are obviously an idiot with reading comprehension problems.

And you're just a little too overwrought for the circumstances.

[CodeToad]

So Kevmos a liberal liar and you support that. Got it.

See, everyone, kevmo is a major liberal in that he uses the liberal tactic of making these sly associations between what a NASA engineer said about LENR in general and Rossi’s scam. He’ll later claim he “previously posted about a NASA engineer supporting Rossi’s E-Cat as working.” He’ll make that statement and even include it in a list at some point, “NASAS Engineer confirms E-Cat.”, etc.

Kevmo does that a lot. We’ve had to back his liberal lying self down a number of times on such lies. Sorry for him but here on FR we know the tactics of the liberal so his weasel ways don’t work here.

And you, say what you want, but I won’t be agreeing with you, that would make two of us wrong, and, frankly, you’re just not my hero.

[count-your-change]

It's the hype and groundless cheer leading that has gotten in the way.
What has actually been accomplished with Rossi’s device?

He has sold/delivered one. ONE,
His E-cat has heated water by means Rossi cannot or will not explain. Lots of theory, few facts.

Despite the hype, the climate has not been saved and all our energy problems solved by an E-cat. It's still a water heater.

Remove all the cheer leading, the noxious hype about changing paradigms, about rewriting physics, restructuring the energy market, blah and blah, what's left?

Rossi, damaged goods by any measure, has a big water heater that he will not allow to be independently tested.

All this may change in the future but at the moment....

Rossi still looks like a three card monte man.

[aruanan]

And you, say what you want, but I won’t be agreeing with you, that would make two of us wrong, and, frankly, you’re just not my hero.

Back around 2000 I spoke with a representative from the then-version of the Office for Technology Assessment (he was at the University of Chicago doing job recruitment) who told me about their recommendation, upon review of the previous 11 years of research into so-called cold fusion, that the federal government do more serious research in this area. He thought the previous pooh-poohing of Pons and Fleischmann's results had been far too premature and knee-jerk.

[Lx]

I don’t mean to speak for count-your-change but I think he was saying that Kevmo is using Nasa to prop up Bushnell’s reputation.

I would like to see what he did at Nasa. Was he an engineer or a project manager? Even if he was a project manager, that is not automatically a negative. A lot of them come from engineering backgrounds because they speak the language and have probably had to deal with incompetent PMs. I know I have.

Most PMs only purpose seems to be to make a nice MS Project Gantt chart (that bears no resemblance to reality) and be a roadblock to milestones. I feel for engineers that have an E size plotter because all of the ink and paper will go to printing every revision of a PM’s Gantt chart. Not to mention the fact that they’re on every wall in the engineering department.

[Kevmo]

There are plenty of reasons to doubt Rossi. But there are far fewer reasons to doubt Levi, Kullander, Stremmenos, etc.

That’s why I post that little blurb someone else wrote.

Your post does not address this.

[Kevmo]

The hot air balloon of hype has reached “leo”,
***Hey, that’s pretty good writin’

Not that I agree with you, but at least it’s good writin’.

[Johnny B.]

He has sold/delivered one. ONE,

Correction: He claims to have sold several. There is no independent information that he has sold any.

[Kevmo]

This will be my standard post to moonboy that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62

This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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[Kevmo]

Here’s my standard ‘ignore’ post to Lx.

This will be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. Maybe you should sign up for a few more years of therapy.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2813439/posts?page=91#91

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2811976/posts?page=165#165

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2811976/posts?page=164#164

• Sven Kullander On Rossi And eCat
Saturday, November 26, 2011 1:55:59 PM • 164 of 169
Lx to Kevmo
I see...years of therapy on your horizon, better start now.
It’s really helped me be nicer, more sympathetic and understanding.
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[Kevmo]

The title of the article is what it is. FR rules say that you’re supposed to post it unchanged so that others can search for it and don’t post it again.

[count-your-change]

No problem. Is Bushnell speaking for NASA? Is he a former employee? In what capacity? How does that qualify him to speak on cold fusion?

Saying “NASA’s Bushnell confuses the question.

[Kevmo]

Hey, admin mod.

This FReeper called me the worst name in FReeperdom — liberal. ;-) And liar to boot. If that isn’t a personal attack, what is?

By the way, both accusations are false.

[SunkenCiv]

Conquering Climate Change
By Dennis M. Bushnell
http://www.wfs.org/April-May2010/Bushnell.htm

Unless we act, the next century could see increases in species extinction, disease, and floods affecting one third of human population. But the tools for preventing this scenario are in our hands.

[steelyourfaith]

Thanx for the ping SunkenCiv !

 

Beam me to Planet Gore !

[Moonman62]

Mom! CodeToad’s being mean to me.

[Kevmo]

This will be my standard post to moonboy that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62

This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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[Moonman62]

The title of the article is what it is. FR rules say that you’re supposed to post it unchanged so that others can search for it and don’t post it again.

True enough, but in the area where you put your usual spam, you can explain why the title isn't accurate. It'll show that you've actually read and comprehend what you're in such a hurry to copy and paste.

[Wonder Warthog]

"I would like to see what he did at Nasa. Was he an engineer or a project manager? Even if he was a project manager, that is not automatically a negative. A lot of them come from engineering backgrounds because they speak the language and have probably had to deal with incompetent PMs. I know I have."

Bushnell's record is both a mile wide and a mile deep. I had no problem locating a biographical sketch (and no, I didn't save the link).

It's obvious that he is very much a "research engineer" (256 publications vs only 6 patents).

[Hiddigeigei]

Some personal thoughts on LENR. E-cat may very well be a scam. It has a certain odor of a scam. However, the AEC and the atomic energy world has long been politicized. Look what happened to experiments with thorium reactors. Fleischmann and Pons were on to something, as born out by repeat experiments around the world; but they were denigrated and silenced. Jokingly, at the time I said to my brother that if they’ve been bought off, they’re probably frolicking on the Riviera surrounded by dancing girls. Somewhat later I found that at least one of them was working at a Japanese-financed laboratory near Nice, France. I don’t know why there was so much opposition. Oil interests? Physicists with a permanent gig in high-temperature fusion? What ever.
If e-cat is a scam, it may be being financed by interests that want to discredit other LENR research.

[Lx]

Poor poor Kevmo, can't compete in the realm of ideas. So, whatsa matter McFly?

[Lx]

You've got nerve, I've seen you attack people time and time again. Anyone who doesn't believe me can go back a couple of months and start there, before he got the admin smackdown.

What's the problem? What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Whatsa matter McFly?

[Lx]

It's obvious that he is very much a "research engineer" (256 publications vs only 6 patents).

In other words, he's not an administrator but an engineer who doesn't mind getting his hands dirty. That's the kind of folk I respect.

[count-your-change]

I stand corrected.

[Johnny B.]

There are plenty of reasons to doubt Rossi. But there are far fewer reasons to doubt Levi, Kullander, Stremmenos, etc.

Even Focardi admits that he doesn't know how Rossi's E-Cats are made or how they work. None of the other scientists you mentioned (nor anyone else) has a clue about what's going on inside and E-Cat. Kullander stated on November 25th that Rossi's E-Cat needs more independent tests to be proven real.

I've read and seen several instances where one of the scientists you've mentioned above has taken a totally unsubstantiated claim from Rossi and treated it as though it were a well-established fact. They are giving him the benefit of the doubt that ought to be reserved for honest researchers, which Rossi certainly is not.

I find it very interesting that the only times there were competent outsiders at tests (NASA and Quantum) that Rossi was apparently unable to get his gadget to work. Maybe he was worried that they would see through his trick.

[Moonman62]

Childish behavior.
Easy to anger.
Posting style is inconsiderate.
Insulting.
Gambling addiction.

I'd say he has narcissistic personality disorder.

[Awnest]

“Paranoia strikes deep... into your life it will creep.”

[Awnest]

Yep Obama and Admin do get credit. Clinton, Bush, et al, never bothered to look into the science - Obama shadow puppets did. White House sings “Four More Years!”

[muawiyah]

At first we see through a glass darkly.

[Awnest]

Johnny - you do grok that Rossi is one of MANY LENR researchers... right? And this review from NASA Chief Scientist Bushnell says it’s basically all true. Unless NASA’s been invaded by ETs?? Green men?? Knights Templar??

[Awnest]

Dude, it seems plain you have been shanked by Kevmo and Dr. Bushnell. Why not just admit there’s real science here and if it does what NASA/Bushnell says it can do, it’ll change your world. For the better. Unless you work for and oil company, coal company, or electric utility.

[Awnest]

“I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses. “

Me too Kev. NASA, SRI, SPAWAR, NAVY, GRC, ROYAL ACADEMY, MIT, UILLINOIS, UBOLOGNA, DARPA, EPRI, DTRA, etc. etc. = plotting to remake the world.

[Johnny B.]

Johnny - you do grok that Rossi is one of MANY LENR researchers...

I don't have an opinion on LENR in general. Maybe there's something to it.

But there is plenty of reasons to suspect Rossi. I've posted numerous references to his criminal history, including several fraud convictions.

He has consistently refused to allow a credible test of his gadget. For example, although he claims to have used and E-Cat to heat his factory for 2 years now, there is no evidence of it, and he has never run a demo longer than a few hours.

He had made ridiculous claims of having "self destruct" devices in his gadget.

He has surrounded himself with people who have been involved with previous energy scams (Sterling Allan, Hank Mills). He has been misleading about his association with the University of Bologna.

Just because there LENR may be legitimate doesn't mean that Rossi is. It is common for scam artists to grab on to whatever technology is new, exciting and poorly understood. I've posted numerous references to previous con men who have done this, including some who were supported by the same people who now support Rossi.

Whether or not LENR is real has nothing to do with whether or not Rossi is a con man. Rossi's history and actions speak for themselves.

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Gamow Tunneling is going to be a bummer for the folks who want to stick pipes into gas bearing shale all over the world.

Gamow came up with this way back in the 1920s to show how stars burn hydrogen, et al to make light and heat for billions of years.

Then, in the 1930s his thesis was expanded and began being used as a cite to support "laws" (specific relationships that experimentation was proving to be true in all cases).

About 1939 folks in government realized we'd get involved in a world war then looming (and actually starting) so we'd need something pretty serious in terms of new weapons. That's when all the big money started getting aimed at FISSION BOMBS.

From that point on fusion was pretty much abandoned in nuclear energy discussions ~ as far as we know.

I suspect it was not abandoned but simply hidden under a screen of "we got tokamak", "we got inertial containment", "we got this", "we got that".

Now it's coming out ~ a secret too important and advanced to be kept!

There are some other secrets out there. These 1MWh battery systems that've been peddled along with the windmills ~ if you take a look at the latest technology behind them you realize they are now maintaining a 1MWh charge for up to 5.5 hours worth of energy!

That's about 10 TIMES as much as a comparable trailer load of equipment could handle as recently as this time last year. Used to take a parking lot full of boxes to deal with 1MWh, and that was with a lot of wasted energy.

Any time there seems to be a 10 fold improvement in a process you really should look a little harder to see where that improvement is coming from.

So, how do they really do it? And why wasn't that pretty obvious earlier. Interesting that Rossi's 1MWh device looks on the inside almost identical to a recent "towable" 1MWh battery with 5.5 hours worth of power.

Does he actually have a battery? How big is his LENR power Module? Is it really little more than a brass pipe with a couple of wires? Or what about his wristwatch? There's no reason a sufficiently powerful fusion device has to be large, or even hooked up directly to the rest of the system ~ e.g. a battery array that modulates the power output for useful purposes, to wit, heating water.

Or, as some of these guys propose, Rossi's system may be a scam of some kind ~ maybe just a battery ~