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Unfortunately, if Rossi did the following:

1) hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps,

2) created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos,

3) bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos

4) arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real,

5) got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field,

6) got Bushnell to make a fool of himself,

7) and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum ----- or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow,

8) sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; ----- certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device ----- and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan

9) and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion ----- to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, ----- to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam

[the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars ----- until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table ----- because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes ----- and knows that they will just take his word for it ----- and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) ]

10) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out

then, yes, all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses.

1 posted on 12/03/2011 12:27:40 AM PST by Kevmo
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2 posted on 12/03/2011 12:28:34 AM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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“NASA’s Bushnell: LENR Solves Global Climate and Energy”

Folks, sell your oil company stock, it's gonna drop like a rock!
Like Robinson Crusoe and Friday being rescued by the Titanic, Global Climate and Energy see the good ship LENR pulling up to their far away island. At least according to Bushnell?

Did I mention this is “NASA’s” Bushnell?

5 posted on 12/03/2011 2:02:33 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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Kevmo, since you insist on inserting your little Rossi diatribe in an article that has nothing to do with Rossi, I feel free to add this:

Reasons to doubt Rossi

And, the biggest reason to doubt Rossi:

6 posted on 12/03/2011 2:43:31 AM PST by Johnny B.
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They are still not on the official site (bottom of page) and I can’t find the original through Google, so I put a slight cautionary note here that the contents have yet to be verified.

The usual rumors and gibberish that Kevmo likes to copy and paste.

12 posted on 12/03/2011 6:34:43 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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I went to your Nasa link to find this report because I wanted to format it. I can't find it at Nasa's link. However, searching Google, I came up with it from here:
LENR solves...

The long-awaited details from Dennis Bushnell’s Sep 22, 2011 presentation have surfaced. They are still not on the official site (bottom of page) and I can’t find the original through Google, so I put a slight cautionary note here that the contents have yet to be verified. Believe it or not, these are just some of the points he makes. None of them will surprise many of you reading this but even so and coming from someone famed for sticking his neck out like Dennis Bushnell, I still have to say, Wow!

Over 2 decades with over 100 experiments worldwide indicate LENR is real, much greater than Chemical, Transmutations, Minimal radiation

The many Rossi demonstrations in 2011 suggest LENR may produce”useful” quantities of heat [up to 15KWs ?]. Watts-to-Kilowatts also produced in Piantelli and Patterson Experiments

Between Chemical and strong force Nuc Energy Densities with minimal radiation safety/ protection requirements/ issues, probably “inexpensive”

Direct and potentially massively/ truly “game-changing”

The Rossi device, possibly producing useful energy but wholly “Edisonian”, not “scalable” and not “Optimized”

Huge number of “knobs”/ approaches appear to”work”, issue is how good can it be? Requires experiments guided by theory and major “creative” efforts/ inputs along with CAREFUL Experiments, YEARS of effort required. Rossi is just the merest beginnings of the research/ engineering optimization required.

Superb light weight power/ energy sources for space probes/ instruments and hoppers/ rovers, far less expensive than solar and better than radiologics for beyond Mars where solar does not “work”

Reduced LEO (Low Earth Orbit) and in space propulsion weights/ costs

Solves EDL (Entry, Descent, and Landing) for large payloads to Mars via ingestion, heating and retro injection of atmospheric CO2

Potentially obviates order of 80% of the 1000 metric ton LEO (Low Earth Orbit) up-mass for Humans Mars which is in-space fuel, Propulsive mass from far outer region atmosphere or regolith

Source for energy beaming, energy to terraform Mars, Enables Active Space Radiation Protection

Overall, enables what we have never had – “Energy Rich” design space[s]

Fuel fraction becomes negligible, huge impacts upon vehicle gross weights, especially for SST’s which are some 55% fuel fraction

For the military– EMP on steroids, VTOL obviates air bases/ runways/ carrier decks, enables loitering combined sensor/ weapon devices [ instead of getting there in time ARE THERE, always]

In Short, LENR , depending upon the TBD performance, appears to be capable of Revolutionizing Aerospace across the board. No other single technology even comes close to the potential impacts of LENR upon Agency Missions.

Test/ determine the performance of the Rossi and Piantelli devices

Experimentally validate the weak interaction theories

The 2 decades of experiments and the weak interaction theories have removed the existential risk, what is remaining is to ENGINEER for improved performance. Also obviously all the safety issues, labs have blown up studying this arena

SO – Invent/ create optimized/ improved LENR “Devices”, testing “Rossi” is merely a small first step, do the systems and propulsive/other application R&D

BTW LENR [ also] solves Global Climate and Energy

We went directly from Chemical to strong force Nuc and in the process bought huge energetics improvements and radiation protection/ safety issues that precluded fission nuc application[s], We leapt over the weak interaction energetics landscape except for radiologics. It is time to back-track.


Kevmo, why did you include a Nasa link, is this article on Nasa's website or are you trying to legitimize this article? I found it on ECATNEWS, certainly not a neutral publication.

See Kevmo, one of the five html commands you could learn in five minutes would have made your post readable.

13 posted on 12/03/2011 7:47:37 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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"The many Rossi demonstrations in 2011 suggest LENR may produce”useful” quantities of heat "

"May". Your title is a complete bullsh*t lie. He did not say "solves" as in present tense "does solve". Nice try at propaganda. You are obviously an idiot with reading comprehension problems.


15 posted on 12/03/2011 7:59:15 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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Some personal thoughts on LENR. E-cat may very well be a scam. It has a certain odor of a scam. However, the AEC and the atomic energy world has long been politicized. Look what happened to experiments with thorium reactors. Fleischmann and Pons were on to something, as born out by repeat experiments around the world; but they were denigrated and silenced. Jokingly, at the time I said to my brother that if they’ve been bought off, they’re probably frolicking on the Riviera surrounded by dancing girls. Somewhat later I found that at least one of them was working at a Japanese-financed laboratory near Nice, France. I don’t know why there was so much opposition. Oil interests? Physicists with a permanent gig in high-temperature fusion? What ever.
If e-cat is a scam, it may be being financed by interests that want to discredit other LENR research.


35 posted on 12/03/2011 11:00:26 AM PST by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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“I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses. “

Me too Kev. NASA, SRI, SPAWAR, NAVY, GRC, ROYAL ACADEMY, MIT, UILLINOIS, UBOLOGNA, DARPA, EPRI, DTRA, etc. etc. = plotting to remake the world.


48 posted on 12/03/2011 6:15:04 PM PST by Awnest (Live free or die.)
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59 posted on 12/03/2011 8:33:52 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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Thanks for the post...I was just wondering about this earlier today...


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