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Lessons Of The Cain Train Wreck
TalkingSides.com ^ | 12/03/11 | CaroleL

Posted on 12/03/2011 11:09:15 AM PST by CaroleL

Businessman Herman Cain has officially suspended his presidential campaign citing "false and unproved allegations" and "distractions and hurt" to himself and his family. He is moving on to what he calls Plan B - pushing his solutions to the nation's problems from outside the electoral process. But before his presidential campaign fades into history, there are some lessons to be learned from how the Cain train turned into the Cain train wreck.

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1 posted on 12/03/2011 11:09:22 AM PST by CaroleL
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To: CaroleL
The lesson is that state-controlled media decides who the GOP candidate will be.
2 posted on 12/03/2011 11:13:44 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Holding our flawed politicians to higher standards than the enemy’s politicians guarantees they win)
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To: CaroleL

Paging Sarah Palin - Please pick up the white courtesy telephone.


3 posted on 12/03/2011 11:16:08 AM PST by Datom
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To: CaroleL

The article pretty well sums it up accurately.


4 posted on 12/03/2011 11:18:07 AM PST by annieokie
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To: CaroleL

don’t give charity directly? Give it to your church so it won’t look funny?


5 posted on 12/03/2011 11:18:12 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: CaroleL
(Excerpt) Read more at talkingsides.com ...

No thanks.

6 posted on 12/03/2011 11:18:31 AM PST by death2tyrants
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To: death2tyrants

S’matter? You don’t like blog pimping during breaking news?


7 posted on 12/03/2011 11:19:49 AM PST by relictele (Unions: organized crime with better PR)
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To: CaroleL

If Cain’s version of the narrative is true, he should have taken a page from Justin Bieber (and his handlers): threaten to bring them into court for libel. That is the only way to handle such allegations.


8 posted on 12/03/2011 11:20:20 AM PST by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: CaroleL

MEanwhile the unelectable foreign homosexual predator in the WhiteHouse get red carpet treatment.

Shame on you whore media. You will pay these associations with terror in hell


9 posted on 12/03/2011 11:22:43 AM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: CaroleL
Lesson 1. No proof or evidence is any longer required. All that matters is that the accusations have have been made

Now that the political establishment media scumbags on both sides have decide "Accusation equals proof" these same tactics of political lynching will be used against EVERY GOP candidate for Senate and House.

Well done you hysteric morons. Way to shoot your own political side right in the head.

10 posted on 12/03/2011 11:22:56 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Yes, it does. Where was the media when some guy insisted he had an affair with B. Obama? The media made no biggie of J. McCain dumbing his sick wife and actually marrying the mistress. And the media has been silent about N. Gingrich's affairs. Those leaning left whom I know hope Newt will be the candidate.
11 posted on 12/03/2011 11:23:57 AM PST by apocalypto
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To: CaroleL

The lesson I learned from this is to never, ever, give my allegiance to a candidate supported by the likes of the Perrybots on this forum. I’ll take my time to decide what, if any, candidate I’ll vote for for president, but it will not be Rick Perry.


12 posted on 12/03/2011 11:24:51 AM PST by bcsco (A vote for Cain will cure the Pain!)
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To: annieokie

Lesson 1. No proof or evidence is any longer required. All that matters is that the accusations have have been made

Now that the political establishment media scumbags on both sides have decide “Accusation equals proof” these same tactics of political lynching will be used against EVERY GOP candidate for Senate and House in 2012.

Well done you hysteric bigoted GOP Establishment morons. Way to shoot your own political side right in the head


13 posted on 12/03/2011 11:25:25 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Datom
I still think this was all part of Sarah's strategery.

She knew what state-controlled media would do to her. She's avoided it so far because she is a moving target, but the fact is that if state-controlled media throws enough lies at you, weak-minded "conservatives" eventually believe it because they are weak-minded and don't like being bothered to have to fight for things they ostensibly believe in.

The Democrat/state-controlled media complex wants Myth because they know they can destroy him when the time comes, but there will be no clear-cut leader when the convention rolls around. That's when Sarah will make her move, and there will be nothing state-controlled media can do to stop it.

14 posted on 12/03/2011 11:25:40 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Holding our flawed politicians to higher standards than the enemy’s politicians guarantees they win)
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To: relictele

Exactly. And this blog pimp’s excerpt has no substance what-so-ever.


15 posted on 12/03/2011 11:26:55 AM PST by death2tyrants
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To: CaroleL

Lessons Of The Cain Train Wreck

If you throw enough unproven allegations out there you can defeat an opponent.


16 posted on 12/03/2011 11:27:58 AM PST by McGruff (Hold the House, retake the Senate.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I would be very interested to know if Sarah will address the convention, and when.


17 posted on 12/03/2011 11:29:44 AM PST by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: CaroleL

I have been on the Cain Train for months.

I have been following his campaign closely.

I watched the announcement today and am calling B.S. on Mr. Cain.

I now think it is most likely that there was some hanky-panky between Mr. Cain and Ginger White (and/or some other yet-unnamed woman).

A man who 1) believes our country is in dire straits, 2) thinks Obama is a disaster, 3) is courageous and has a servants heart, and 4) is 100% innocent of the charges leveled at him, such a man would not give the speech that Herman Cain gave today.

The speech was not about our beloved nation and this perilous moment in its history. The speech was about Herman Cain.

I am deeply disappointed in Mr. Cain. Yes, the left and the MSM are evil scum, but Mr. Cain had a rare opportunity to be an American hero and he failed to deliver. I’m through with Mr. Cain.


18 posted on 12/03/2011 11:34:49 AM PST by rogue yam
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

That was my first thought also!


19 posted on 12/03/2011 11:37:00 AM PST by grame (May you know more of the love of God Almighty this day!)
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To: Datom

Palin won’t pick up the phone for the same reasons Cain dropped out.

Vetted? Not by leftist standards. They don’t have to prove anything, they make the accusation and do it over and over and whoever they target goes down.

Keep in mind they go down because of people on our side, not because leftists care about the character of a candidate for any office.


20 posted on 12/03/2011 11:40:02 AM PST by dforest
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To: MNJohnnie
GOOD try little johnnie, its over. I said what I had to say and I PTL it is over. The article accruately describes how Cain destroyed himself. None of us did this to him, he alone is responsible.

Take your anger and go sit in the closet and pout, no one is interested in your pit bull replys.

I suspect Cain will comes out and endorses NEWT, what will you do then??? NOTICE, Newt has never ever said an unkind word against CAIN, unlike you Cain backers who use every vile and vicious words you can think of to attack those of us who do not fall down and worship your guy.

I now dedicate this and all other THREADs regarding this issue to/as the CAIN backers MOURNING THREAD.

21 posted on 12/03/2011 11:40:52 AM PST by annieokie
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To: annieokie
The article pretty well sums it up accurately.
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I take offense to the last point in the article that Cain's lack of knowledge doomed his candidacy. What we need in public office today are many more citizen patriots and not corrupt career politicians. Patriots who serve a term or two and then go back to the private world and make a living. The Country is fed up with career politicians who hold office their entire life and act as though they have it coming to them like Mitt Romney. Some gripe about Cain's lack of knowledge, but I will take someone with patriotism over someone who is a know it all politician like Newt any day. As Cain said, if you surround yourself with like minded, knowledgeable advisers, you can overcome lack of knowledge on a particular topic. So we have to make up our minds whether we want more of the same or someone that is outside the status quo.

22 posted on 12/03/2011 11:44:15 AM PST by iontheball
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To: CaroleL
I am for Newt I don't care about a candidate's personal life. I suspect Cain suspended his campaign to preserve his marriage. I respect him for that...
23 posted on 12/03/2011 11:46:39 AM PST by montanajoe
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To: Datom
"Paging Sarah Palin - Please pick up the white courtesy telephone."

In case folks have forgotten, the LibMSM was starting a new phase of Palin destruction involving innuendo about her choices for sexual partners. Wherever the Obozo campaigns, his opponents run into a buzz saw of this type of 'accusation'. They can either sit still and take it or get out of the way. Truth is of no importance. The bell, once rung, cannot be unrung.

24 posted on 12/03/2011 11:48:20 AM PST by I am Richard Brandon (Spreading the Wealth, one dollar at a time)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I believe you could be right. After the first vote most delegates can change their vote and I’m not sure any of the current candidates will get the required number.


25 posted on 12/03/2011 11:51:46 AM PST by Datom
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To: Salvavida
If Cain’s version of the narrative is true, he should have taken a page from Justin Bieber (and his handlers): threaten to bring them into court for libel. That is the only way to handle such allegations.

Since Herman didn't take them to court, what does that tell you? It tells me there might have been some fire with all that smoke.

26 posted on 12/03/2011 11:53:19 AM PST by Veggie Todd (I don't mind you hitting me Frank, but take it easy on the Bacardi.)
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To: CaroleL

Herman Cain, meet Gary Hart.


27 posted on 12/03/2011 11:55:37 AM PST by trumandogz (In Rick Perry's Nanny State, the state will drive your kids to the dentist at tax payer expense)
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To: trumandogz

Gary Hart was proven guilty of the media charges, there is no such proof with Cain.


28 posted on 12/03/2011 11:56:44 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: JudgemAll

Keep in mind that the media thinks of themselves as part of the Royal Court. As they see it, it is their duty and their state to be loyal to the current King. The King’s machine with media a part - entertainment and news - has to toe the line and will destroy ANYONE who could threaten the King’s power. That’s if they want to keep their status and wealth- and vane, status addicted talking heads have only that.

There was CLEAR warning with the Joe the Plumber incident and how the local political machine and media fell in place to discredit a citizen that had the contemptable gall to ask Obama a question.

Very challenging times. Media/DNC in control of everyone’s image.

And if ANYONE thinks Google, Facebook, Twitter or any of these sites we venture on are safe of anonymous and benign, I would think again.

Sites like Sugardaddy beckon people to try them out...take a look. And they are collecting finger prints from the door knob.

Attackwatch.com. Indeed.


29 posted on 12/03/2011 11:58:12 AM PST by Voter62vb
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Exactly


30 posted on 12/03/2011 12:01:33 PM PST by uncbob
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To: CaroleL

Very good analysis. You hit on every bump that led to the derailment of the Cain train. It was not only the media’s smearing sluts that derailed that train.


31 posted on 12/03/2011 12:01:33 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: indylindy
If Bachmann hadn't gaffed her way into oblivion and single digits after her first few weeks, if she ever came back and led in the polls, she would likewise get destroyed.

She's just not important enough for the MSM to care.

They will come after Newt with a vengeance now.

32 posted on 12/03/2011 12:04:40 PM PST by Lakeshark
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To: dfwgator

A married man who allegedly, without his wife’s knowledge, provided money to another woman for an alleged 13 years and allegedly had been sending text messages to said woman at 4:30 in the morning is going to have problems explaining his alleged actions to the American people.

The two issues that have not been revealed are, how much money did he send her and what was the content of the text messages.


33 posted on 12/03/2011 12:08:48 PM PST by trumandogz (In Rick Perry's Nanny State, the state will drive your kids to the dentist at tax payer expense)
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To: Lakeshark

Youi think Cain was bad, Newt will give them hours of fun.


34 posted on 12/03/2011 12:10:00 PM PST by dforest
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To: Salvavida

If Cain sues for defamation, he will be the plaintiff and will bear the burden of proof to show that it is more likely than not that these women intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly made false statements to injure his reputation. 14 years after the fact, he will have a difficult case carrying that burden of proof. Additionally, the court cases would take 22 months on average. And if he loses even one suit, that would be misunderstood by the public to mean that what the sleazebag said was true.

Bieber’s case was perfect because his dumbass accuser made a statement that could absolutely be proved true or false. Believe it or not, there might still be some issues with intent, but he can definitely prove it false. Cain can’t because the claims were so vague that there’s very little to get the hooks in.


35 posted on 12/03/2011 12:10:16 PM PST by FateAmenableToChange
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To: trumandogz

The “American People” knew what Clinton was, and they voted for him anyway.....I think these things are blown way out of proportion.


36 posted on 12/03/2011 12:10:32 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Lakeshark

By the way, Bachmann gaffes are really very few. Other than that she is a conservative and she is very tenacious.

She would be far better than Newt, who likes Newt more than anything, or Romney who thinks it is his turn.

I don’t much care anymore. I will vote against Obozo, but whoever it is won’t be a conservative.


37 posted on 12/03/2011 12:14:28 PM PST by dforest
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

It’s not just the lefties; it was Romney, Gingrich and Perry that helped.


38 posted on 12/03/2011 12:15:49 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: dfwgator

“The “American People” knew what Clinton was, and they voted for him anyway.....I think these things are blown way out of proportion.”

I agree.

In 1992 Clinton went on 60 Minutes and said claimed to not have had sex with Gennifer Flowers but confessed that he had not always been faithful. In that interview, he inoculated himself from such accusations.

Cain denied having ever been unfaithful to his wife and then comes a woman who likely has a paper trail with bank transactions and text messages.


39 posted on 12/03/2011 12:17:00 PM PST by trumandogz (In Rick Perry's Nanny State, the state will drive your kids to the dentist at tax payer expense)
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Yes, I am wondering what the Cain supporters are talking about.

He admitted giving money to the woman and that his wife didn't know about her.

He brought this on himself and should have realized that it could have come out in his campaign.

Thank goodness it came out before he was the nominee.

40 posted on 12/03/2011 12:17:04 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Burke)
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To: indylindy

We know about Newt.


41 posted on 12/03/2011 12:18:22 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Burke)
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To: dfwgator

They won’t do that for a Republican, who they hold to higher standards.


42 posted on 12/03/2011 12:19:22 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Burke)
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To: CaroleL

Wait for it. The latest accuser will also soon be getting evicted or filing bankruptcy, because the Obama-Romney Team will renege on her promised pay-off, just like they did with the Chicago bimbo(s).


43 posted on 12/03/2011 12:19:22 PM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: CaroleL

Impressive analysis, many thanx.


44 posted on 12/03/2011 12:20:27 PM PST by freespirited (Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business & degenerates into a racket. -- Hoffer)
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To: fortheDeclaration

One thing is certain in all of this.

GINGER WHITE will NOT be getting any more Checks from Mr. Cain.

I hope she got a good price for her story from whoever paid her to come forward, because the SS CAIN gravy boat just sank.


45 posted on 12/03/2011 12:22:09 PM PST by Venturer
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To: indylindy
Sorry, she gaffed more than any candidate I've ever seen.

She would be destroyed within a week if they thought she was a threat.

I do care about this, so should we all. It's the Chicago way.

46 posted on 12/03/2011 12:23:25 PM PST by Lakeshark
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To: fortheDeclaration

A few months ago a lady friend of mine for 25 years called and told me that he son had been busted for pot and was in jail. And while she did not ask for money, I without telling my wife paid his bail.

My wife has known this woman as long as she has known me and they are friends. After, I paid the kid’s bail, I told my wife all about it.

However, if without my wife knowledge, I had been sending this woman money for an extended amount of time and was sending her text messages at 4:00 a.m. my wife would have my ass and all my belongings on the curb.


47 posted on 12/03/2011 12:25:27 PM PST by trumandogz (In Rick Perry's Nanny State, the state will drive your kids to the dentist at tax payer expense)
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To: fortheDeclaration

"But it's Newt's ship now...He's the top dog. The big man. .... numero uno honcho. The head cheese....I just hope he has the right stuff."

48 posted on 12/03/2011 12:25:27 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: iontheball
I respect your opinions, and I can understand what you are saying. However, Obama has so destroyed America, it is in shambles and so many things to be undone. We need someone who can go in, the first day and begin work. Right now Newt is that man.

One may not like everything about NEWT, but one must appreciate his knowledge in getting things done. We have no time for on the job training.

If the times were not so fractured, I would consider most any candidate, Obama has left me no choice. Newt is my candidate.

I had considered Cain in the past, and thought perhaps VP for Newt, I am sure Newt has his stradegy mapped out on the VP issue and I will trust in that.

49 posted on 12/03/2011 12:30:40 PM PST by annieokie
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To: Lakeshark
They will come after Newt with a vengeance now.

I don't think so. They have accomplished their mission, insuring that a conservative who is dangerous to Obama will not be the Republican candidate. I think they're OK with either Newt or Mitt. Of course, during the general election, they will destroy whichever one is the candidate.

50 posted on 12/03/2011 12:36:59 PM PST by Prokopton
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