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Consensus breaking out: Not Newt
Washington Post ^ | December 4, 2011 | Jennifer Rubin

Posted on 12/04/2011 6:04:20 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

On Friday, I suggested that Republicans “could pull a name out of a hat and find a more consistent and personally stable conservative” than Newt Gingrich. Many smart conservatives seem to agree. (VictorDavisHanson points out that with Gingrich as the nominee the GOP would forfeit the “crony capitalism” issue; No one has been a bigger crony than he.)

The latest and perhaps brightest warning flare to the right is sent up by GeorgeWill. There are too many delicious lines in his column from which to choose a favorite. (e.g.,“There is almost artistic vulgarity in Gingrich’s unrepented role as a hired larynx for interests profiting from such government follies as ethanol and cheap mortgages”; “Gingrich, who would have made a marvelous Marxist, believes everything is related to everything else and only he understands how.”) George patiently explains to those who think the conservative movement began with the Internet and is defined by those who can burnish the most withering rhetoric: “Conservatism inoculates against the hubristic volatility that Gingrich exemplifies.” Yes, Gingrich is what conservatism aims to save us from.

Now, George would choose TexasGov Rick Perry or Jon Huntsman. RameshPonnuru would take MittRomney. There is also RickSantorum to consider. Reasonable conservatives differ on the alternative, but other than sheer contrarianism and temporary amnesia it is hard (for those who want to maintain the ideological health of the conservative movement and win the WhiteHouse) to justify embracing Gingrich. That he is more “gregarious, upbeat” than he used to be is no reason to choose him as president or to declare he has turned over new leaf.

For those conservatives who are not systematically averting their eyes, Gingrich every day gives Republicans further reason to conclude there is no “New Newt,” only the same disorganized egomaniac who drove his House caucus to revolt.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: 2012; conservatism; gopprimary; notperryeither; rinos4romney; romneycare; rove4romney; tokyorove
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1 posted on 12/04/2011 6:04:23 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This still won’t help Perry. Nice try though.


2 posted on 12/04/2011 6:05:54 AM PST by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

um... yeah

I can see the groundswell starting for Willard “Mitt” Romney

becuase his campaign of “Hey, I’m next, right?” has me bowled over.


3 posted on 12/04/2011 6:06:11 AM PST by Mr. K (Physically unable to profreed <--- oops, see?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Jennifer is batshit crazy... Total Mittbot.


4 posted on 12/04/2011 6:07:21 AM PST by Tuxedo (Drink Tea - not Kool-Aid. Sam the Eagle for POTUS 2012!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Oh, horrors...the establish speaks and they don’t want Newt. It’s good that the people decide, and not the establishment that brought us Dole, Bush I, and McCain.


5 posted on 12/04/2011 6:07:50 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: Solson
Where were the news reports of “Consensus: Not Romney” when 75% of the people wanted someone else
6 posted on 12/04/2011 6:07:58 AM PST by Mr. K (Physically unable to profreed <--- oops, see?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Not Santorum either. Click here for links to prove that he is a fiscal socailist and once triangulated his position on abortion.
7 posted on 12/04/2011 6:08:46 AM PST by JimWayne
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Now you know I love your posts most of the time. And you know I could easily live with Perry as nominee.

BUT, just because Jennifer Rubin and George Will say so, a consensus this does not make....


8 posted on 12/04/2011 6:08:50 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The latest and perhaps brightest warning flare to the right is sent up by George Will.

LOL!!!

9 posted on 12/04/2011 6:09:18 AM PST by RoosterRedux (Politics ain't beanbag...and honey badger don't give a sh!t.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Really, George Will calling Newt egotistical is the like the Pope calling Billy Graham too religious.


10 posted on 12/04/2011 6:11:14 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

New tagline ...


11 posted on 12/04/2011 6:11:44 AM PST by EternalVigilance (You might want to consider the distinct possibility that they are all wrong.)
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To: Solson

It may not be Perry, but lord help us, it’s not Newt!


12 posted on 12/04/2011 6:13:22 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Please add the disclaimer that Will’s wife works for Perry.

Truth and trust.


13 posted on 12/04/2011 6:14:10 AM PST by sodpoodle ( Newter the Democrats and newtralize the RINOS - the Senate, House & WHouse)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
BUT, just because Jennifer Rubin and George Will say so, a consensus this does not make....

Well, C.E.W. we know they aren't the only ones.

14 posted on 12/04/2011 6:14:37 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Using an establishment RINO pundit’s desperate ramblings to hate on Newt

is like

humping a desperate bisexual male hooker to get back at your husband.


15 posted on 12/04/2011 6:14:38 AM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: BunnySlippers

If not newt, then it will be Romney. It’s easy math at this point.


16 posted on 12/04/2011 6:16:08 AM PST by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: JimWayne

Santorum is so out of the running, he isn’t even traded on Intrade.com (i.e. his chances are less than Cain’s and Cain has suspended his campaign).


17 posted on 12/04/2011 6:16:16 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

We like Newt.


18 posted on 12/04/2011 6:17:07 AM PST by y6162
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

We like Newt.


19 posted on 12/04/2011 6:17:22 AM PST by y6162
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To: RoosterRedux

This is beginning to smell like another McCain look-a-like


20 posted on 12/04/2011 6:17:41 AM PST by Dustoff45 (A good woman brings out the best in a good man! A better woman might be just what this nation needs)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Are you a paid Perry staffer? We are all free to express our opinion; but these articles you post for Perry are getting ridiculous.
And full disclosure; I have no favorite yet.
21 posted on 12/04/2011 6:18:07 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: Mr. K

“I can see the groundswell starting for Willard “Mitt” Romney”

FR is opposed to Romney because of his many liberal positions and his flip-flopping, and his collaboration with Ted Kennedy etc (not because his name if Willard or because of his religion).

If you look at Newt’s positions, there is no meaningful difference. Newt has signed on to the every liberal cause in the last few years (amnesty, global warming, cap-and-trade, individual mandate in ObamaCare, Fairness doctrine etc). He eagerly collaborated with Nancy Pelosi and Al Sharpton).

He has flip-flopped and lied about many things, including support for cap-and-trade and his Fannie Mae lobbying.

Yes, in the general election we probably have to vote for Newt over Obama (and pray that House has conservatives to stop him in amnesty/GW/FairnessDoct etc), but we are in primary now.

Newt and Willard are both flip-flopping politicians who have joined pretty much every liberal cause in the past. Both have done few nice things. Why would you support either one of them (and not both?).

In the primaries, there is no need to vote for liberal.

We still have, for example, Bachmann and Santorum (and who knows, brokered convention).


22 posted on 12/04/2011 6:18:30 AM PST by heiss (heartless and inhumane)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Still pushing to get Romney on top I see.

Your pathetic candidate won’t get much further than Bachmann. So your buddy Romney thanks you for the grand effort you have been showing.


23 posted on 12/04/2011 6:18:55 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: RoosterRedux

Maybe we should ask for a ‘do-over’ on Pawlenty.


24 posted on 12/04/2011 6:19:02 AM PST by babble-on
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
We need to get the Messiah out! Even if we have to elect Mittens.

Newt is better than Mittens. If these guys are all so imperfect, then maybe someone really disgruntled here should run himself. I wanted Michelle Bachmann to be the frontrunner, but that is not happening at all. At least Newt is very intelligent. Perhaps more intelligent than almost everyone here.

25 posted on 12/04/2011 6:19:29 AM PST by Stepan12
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To: babble-on

Seriously, the smoke-filled room would be far better than this system.


26 posted on 12/04/2011 6:19:58 AM PST by babble-on
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Again, according to the libtard rag WaPo...am I surprised or what? /s =.=


27 posted on 12/04/2011 6:20:40 AM PST by cranked
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To: Solson

I’m hoping it will be Perry.

Hard to support Jabba the Hutt Newt. And I sincerely don’t think the majority of Americans “like” him enough to propel him into the WH.

Obama wins by default.

Please support Perry.


28 posted on 12/04/2011 6:20:40 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; C. Edmund Wright
Well, C.E.W. we know they aren't the only ones.

Newt allied himself with Ronald Reagan to build the Reagan Coalition, the Religious Right, and the Republican majority (together the Reagan Revolution) which directly led the downfall of the Soviet Union, the Contract with America, government reforms, less government, tax cuts, a balanced budget, and the great, long-standing Reagan economy.

79 posted on Sunday, December 04, 2011 4:59:37 AM by Jim Robinson

29 posted on 12/04/2011 6:21:23 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (1/3/2012-Iowa 1/10-Newt Hampshire 1/21-South Carolina 1/31-Florida)
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To: Notwithstanding; All
Coup de Newt "......Since Gingrich had taken control in January 1995, Republicans in the House had held together. Focused on fulfilling the Contract with America, they passed a flurry of legislation, which kept them occupied — and their divisions concealed — for the first two years.

By July 1997, however, the contract was finished, and conservatives, particularly those elected in the Revolution of ’94, were growing frustrated with Gingrich’s leadership.

The speaker was disorganized. “He knew nothing about running meetings and nothing about driving an agenda,” DeLay writes in his memoir, No Retreat, No Surrender.

He was erratic. “On Monday, we would say we’re not going to give a $500 child tax credit to people who don’t have tax liabilities,” Graham tells National Review Online. “On Wednesday, he’d meet with President Clinton, and that position would change.”

“In May 1997 . . . Newt declared the GOP willing to separate tax cuts from other items in a balanced-budget deal that we were negotiating with Bill Clinton,” writes former speaker Denny Hastert (R., Ill.) in his memoir, Speaker. “That was news to us and represented a huge change in policy in less than twenty-four hours.”

He was hyperbolic. “He’d call something ‘the single most corrupt act in the history of Western civilization’ . . . always these Armageddon-type announcements,” says Rep. Pete King (R., N.Y.).

The congressman still remembers that fateful trip on Air Force One in November 1995, when Clinton made Gingrich sit in the back. Miffed, the speaker later asked the press, “You just wonder, where is their sense of manners? Where is their sense of courtesy?”

“I still think it’s the main reason we lost [the government-shutdown] debate,” King says.

“Before the government shutdown we thought Newt Gingrich was invincible,” writes Sen. Tom Coburn (R., Okla.) in his memoir, Breach of Trust. “After the shutdown, however, he was like a whipped dog who still barked, yet cowered, in Clinton’s presence.”...........

30 posted on 12/04/2011 6:22:07 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
But then I never imagined Gingrich would con (however temporarily) so many.

Frustrating isn't it?

Many smart conservatives seem to agree

I think the lady named two individuals in the article, but which is it, many who are conned or many who are smart?

Every day Newt's numbers improve and Jennifer Rubin gets more frustrated.

The people are much smarter and more sophisticated than Ms. Rubin gives them credit. They know these are extraordinary times which require an extraordinary candidate. They had not been conned, they and we know the liabilities that come with Newt Gingrich. We have made a calculation that we need the upside so we'll take the risk on the downside.

If we nominate one of the others on the stage we simply are buying into no side.


31 posted on 12/04/2011 6:22:09 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

How does it feel to align yourself with Jennifer Rubin from the Washington Post? I have never had the pleasure...


32 posted on 12/04/2011 6:23:04 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: heiss
Give up the ghost. Gingrich'sv oting record was very conservative. His job, over he past few years was as a policy wonk and he took positions on many issues, and has come clean on where he made mistakes.

his voting record was MORE conservative than Santorum at the time.

Bachmann and Santorum have no shot. At all. Ever.

33 posted on 12/04/2011 6:23:10 AM PST by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

So the Washington Post has aimed their guns at Newt? I’m sooooooooo surprised. /s


34 posted on 12/04/2011 6:23:31 AM PST by GOPJ (Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, Than a fatted calf with hatred - Proverbs 15)
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To: JimWayne

I need to correct my last statement...Santorum IS traded on Intrade.com and has a 1% chance of winning the nom at present. Cain has fallen to a .2% chance.


35 posted on 12/04/2011 6:23:37 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: HereInTheHeartland

What? You can be a ping list person now?


36 posted on 12/04/2011 6:23:55 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Consensus breaking out: Guys! Guys! Don’t fight! You all suck.
37 posted on 12/04/2011 6:24:09 AM PST by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: BunnySlippers

When Perry learns how to debate his way out of a paper bag, call me. Until then, I’m going with a candidate that can aggressively pummel Obama on his crappy ideas.


38 posted on 12/04/2011 6:25:01 AM PST by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: sodpoodle

Who IS Will married to now? I remember when Mrs. Will I threw all his stuff out on their front lawn after learning of his affair with Lally Weymouth (daughter of the WaPo’s Katherine Graham). But I think he married someone else? Such a pure conservative ole George is.


39 posted on 12/04/2011 6:25:17 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: nathanbedford

It won’t match your frustration when Obama wins against Newt. Think about it.


40 posted on 12/04/2011 6:25:49 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Will’s column was excellent, and definitely an entertaining read. Best work he’s done in a long time. And it prompted me to give Huntsman another look.


41 posted on 12/04/2011 6:27:12 AM PST by Huck (LIBERTY is the object.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I’d say the polls disagree with her assessment, not that I disagree that Newt is not the answer; clearly many seem to think he is much to my dismay. I’m certainly ready for a new Flavor of The Month, whether it be Santorum, Bachmann, Palin or some other.


42 posted on 12/04/2011 6:27:16 AM PST by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Amazing. Stick to,trying to support your candidate than simply trying to roast others.


43 posted on 12/04/2011 6:27:19 AM PST by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Thank you !


44 posted on 12/04/2011 6:27:40 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Solson

The fact that there will be Americans who wake up this morning, read this piece of swill and say, “yeah, Mitt is the most conservative of the bunch” is testament to the lefts abililty to make the MSM look like Pravda on steroids.


45 posted on 12/04/2011 6:27:48 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (To fix government, we need a rocket scientist. Oh, wait we have one!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Video: Ron Paul Ad Newt Gingrich Serial Hypocrisy
46 posted on 12/04/2011 6:27:59 AM PST by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: Mr. K
Where were the news reports of “Consensus: Not Romney” when 75% of the people wanted someone else

Guess the easy answer is the Washington Post wants Romney - just like they wanted McCain - - well, up until the nomination. Then they went 100% for the Obama...

47 posted on 12/04/2011 6:28:08 AM PST by GOPJ (Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, Than a fatted calf with hatred - Proverbs 15)
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To: BunnySlippers

And BTW, Gingrich is polling ahead of Obama in the latest polling.


48 posted on 12/04/2011 6:28:08 AM PST by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This is just like the consensus on the science of global warming...


49 posted on 12/04/2011 6:28:28 AM PST by Keith in Iowa (Hope & Change - I'm out of hope, and change is all I have left every week | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: Huck

The same Huntsman that told us all we are dullards for not supporting the “science” of global warming? No thanks.


50 posted on 12/04/2011 6:29:05 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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