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Illegal immigrant students deserve an education too
The Arizona Daily Wildcat ^ | December 5, 2011 | MICHELLE A. MONROE

Posted on 12/06/2011 3:01:29 AM PST by moonshinner_09

Educating children should be exempt from politics. The Arizona Republic recently published a story about three boys who came to the United States illegally through their families’ efforts.

Gerson Gonzalez, Alejandro Sau and Jonathan Labrada told their story— at the insistence of their parents — about coming illegally into the United States, assimilating into high school and learning a new language. They lived with different members of their families, some that they had never met before, just to be a part of the American education system.

Once SB1070 took effect however, families had to separate, and parents chose to leave their children in Arizona to continue school, according to Nina Rabin, a UA law professor.

These children are left to fend for themselves, and act as their own monitor for homework, attendance and grades. They shouldn’t have to worry about being deported or arrested for being in the state illegally. But in the beginning months of SB1070, many families were torn apart and these students feared being arrested. Then Robert N. Krentz Jr., a rancher on the Arizona-Mexico border was killed.

“That changed things,” Gonzalez said in The Arizona Republic article. “I felt like people were looking at me differently. I didn’t kill that man. I have never hurt anybody.”

(Excerpt) Read more at wildcat.arizona.edu ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: aliens
Here she states Children should not be punished for the actions of their parents, but we never see the parents should be punished for their actions. The parents create the problems and lay low depending on the gov to pay for their kids college education. serve two years in the U.S. military,and everybody else who signs up must agree to 4 years.There are enough supporters across this land, why are they not pooling resources into one big bank account, With say, 30 millions supporters each giving a dollar a day would equal $ 30 million a day. Here she states Even though he was bilingual, graduated with above a 3.0 grade point average and had never been arrested, his dreams of going to college looked dismal.Well that just makes everything o.k. These classes they select cause hundreds of thousands of dollars. These same kids can return to Mexico, where college is free.Our country is broke.His good deeds did not improve our country.Did not create any jobs.This amounts to give them all free college educations.Let the taxpayers pay it. SB1070, many families were torn apart ,same can be said about illegals they have torn American families apart, through drunking driving causing fatal accidents, is one example. It's almost like the illeagls and families come before others, due to I got a story to tell.
1 posted on 12/06/2011 3:01:29 AM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

...start with teaching them the law, then proceed with the meaning of fraud,thief,and what happens when politicians favor illegal activities.


2 posted on 12/06/2011 4:10:11 AM PST by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Doogle

We need to take care of our own at this point. Get them out of here.


3 posted on 12/06/2011 4:13:35 AM PST by DooDahhhh (ma)
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To: moonshinner_09

“Educating children should be exempt from politics.”

Wrong Answer. Especially sicne the money to “educate” these illegals comes out of your and my pocket.


4 posted on 12/06/2011 4:18:55 AM PST by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: moonshinner_09
“That changed things,” Gonzalez said in The Arizona Republic article. “I felt like people were looking at me differently. I didn’t kill that man. I have never hurt anybody.”

It's "that man's" fault. Look how ILLEGAL aliens have suffered due to no fault of their own. Everything here in America should be free for anyone to wander in and take it.

The original occupiers.

5 posted on 12/06/2011 4:26:56 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: moonshinner_09

Why yes thy do. They just need to return to the country where they are legal citizens to get their education.

They do not deserve to have American taxpayers pay for their education.


6 posted on 12/06/2011 4:29:12 AM PST by dforest
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To: moonshinner_09

Why yes thy do. They just need to return to the country where they are legal citizens to get their education.

They do not deserve to have American taxpayers pay for their education.


7 posted on 12/06/2011 4:30:02 AM PST by dforest
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To: Doogle

Illegal imigrants deserve an education the same way a Bank robber deseves money.....

a decent education and a decent living are comendable objectives...Its how u go about it that is the problem...

ILLEGAL ACTS ARE NOT EXCEPTABLE PATHS TO THOSE GOALS!


8 posted on 12/06/2011 4:36:08 AM PST by M-cubed
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To: roaddog727

There is a cure for liberalism, but it is very painful. The cure is simple: Make the liberals pay for their ideas, and suffer the consequences of them, without foisting the cost and consequences on the general public.

So, I propose that this little twit pay for her plan. For the next 12 years, she and like minded individuals must collect and contribute to the school board $30,000 per year to pay for the education of these three. No one can be compelled to contribute to this fund; she must raise the money herself.

Then, she must go to one of her friends who has her heart set on medical school, and tell her friend that she cannot go because her place is being taken by one of the illegals.


9 posted on 12/06/2011 4:37:51 AM PST by studly hungwell (Mohammad and Marx: Spreading misery and death wherever their ideas go.)
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To: M-cubed

Illegal alien students deserve to be bussed back to their lousy country of origin. Period.


10 posted on 12/06/2011 4:38:16 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: moonshinner_09

> Illegal immigrant students deserve an education too.

Only if their parents foot the bill and don’t make US citizens pay.


11 posted on 12/06/2011 4:38:29 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Defeat Obama. End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: BuffaloJack

My wife is from Asia. Her parents were poor. School costs money. Her family could only afford to pay for 3 years of school. My wife got her GED in the United States about 6 or 7 years after finally getting her US citizenship. Why should these wetback illegals be provided with free schooling paid for by Americans struggling to provide for their own families?


12 posted on 12/06/2011 4:44:15 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Defeat Obama. End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: moonshinner_09
Illegal Immigrants also deserve to deliver parts of our country to the corrupt Mexican government that's sponsoring an invasion, and is a bigger threat than countries like Iran by a mile. We aren't going to ever elect a politician who will do anything about it though. Anything that could work is called racist, and impossible by the vast majority of politicians who act like puppets of Mexico in complete contrast to the vast majority of U.S. citizens.
13 posted on 12/06/2011 5:45:35 AM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (Herman Cain should reactivate his campaign and fight to the end, or the 2012 election is over for me)
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14 posted on 12/06/2011 6:05:33 AM PST by bcsco (Those who piled on Cain now wear the mark of Cain!)
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To: roaddog727
“Educating children should be exempt from politics.”

Well, then teacher unions which are directly affiliated with and which support the democrat party must be abolished to further remove politics from educating children. Any teacher caught teaching or advocating a political viewpoint in the classroom, or out for that matter, should be fired and never allowed to teach again. The ILLEGAL children are taking resources that should be used to educate the children of citizens; pack them back to their parents home crapholes and let those countries worry about educating them, or not.

15 posted on 12/06/2011 6:33:25 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: moonshinner_09

“Educating children should be exempt from politics.”

In other words: “There’s no room for discussion or other points of view, just do it my way.”


16 posted on 12/06/2011 7:03:36 AM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Just here to “get an education” and experience the American dream (/snicker).


“Raza Studies” that have been taught in Arizona for a decade......AZ lawmakers passed a law against it....but it still goes on

AN EXAMINATION OF RAZA STUDIES One of the textbooks titled “Occupied America,” by Rodolfo Acuña, includes a speech given by activist and university professor Jose Angel Gutierrez: “We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him,” (pg. 323). The book also talks about the need for Mexico to re-take seven states in the Southwestern United States.

The following rather shocking quotes are taken directly from Occupied America (pg. 167):

“Supporters would execute all white males over age 16,” (also known as the Plan of San Diego).

“The Southwest would become a Chicano nation.”

IS LA RAZA COLLUDING TO FINANCE RECONQUISTA? In addition to using taxpayer funds to enforce the polarizing beliefs outlined above in traditional public schools, the organization known as La Raza operates 100 charter schools across the counry. The following is a select list of La Raza charter schools:

-La Academia Semillas del Pueblo (Los Angeles)

-Atzlan Academy (Tucson, AZ)

-Mexicayotl Academy (Nogales, AZ)

-The Dolores Huerta Prepatory High School (Pueblo, CO)

-Academia Cesar Chavez Charter School (St. Paul, MN)

In 2005 alone, $7.9 million in taxpayer funding was given out to these charter schools in the form of U.S. Department of Education grants. These schools stress Latino culture, the Spanish language, the re-conquest of the American Southwest, the establishment of the mythical Atzlan, and even Aztec math.


17 posted on 12/06/2011 7:15:39 AM PST by Liz
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Wonder how many fraudulent/forged identities “impoverished illegals” buy for several thousand dollars each they’ll use for this scam? Illegal Jose Madrigal, the Washington state rapist, had some 30 identities.

REFERENCE Hayward, California woman charged in mass thefts of IDs
Copyright San Francisco Chronicle. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

HAYWARD, CALIFORNIA — A Hayward woman has been charged with numerous felony counts for allegedly running an identity-theft operation that created fake Social Security and California identification cards, checks and credit cards. Mishel Caviness, 40, was arrested after an investigation by Oakland police and the U.S. Secret Service.

The probe began when an Oakland city employee reported in January that someone was fraudulently cashing her checks, according to police Officer Ryan Goodfellow and court records. Caviness was identified with the help of surveillance-camera footage from Bay Area stores, police said.

A search of her apartment on the 21000 block of Foothill Boulevard in Hayward last week uncovered a printing operation capable of making fake checks and credit cards, police said. Also found were 900 blank credit cards, personal information belonging to as many as 1,000 people, blank checks and computers, police said.

Alameda County prosecutors charged Caviness with forgery, identity theft, forgery of a driver’s license and grand theft. She has a previous conviction for welfare fraud and told police that she is disabled and unemployed. She is being held at Santa Rita Jail in Dublin in lieu of $325,000 bail.

SOURCE http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/05/16/BAPP1JGPTT.DTL#ixzz1MotxGM5R Page C - 3 of the San Francisco Chronicle


July 21, 2006——BERGEN RECORD, NJ

Texans accused of selling counterfeit IDs (impoverished illegals “here for a better life” pay several thousand $$$ for fake ID’s)

Pelcastre brothers, Angel and Jorge, Dallas, Texas, were a walking threat to US national security, expert document forgers who, for a few thousand dollars, could give anyone a new identity, NJ L/E authorities said. The Texas brothers were a “one-stop shop” for a myriad of fake US documents, including birth certificates, Social Security cards, driver’s licenses——for any state in the US——— passports and resident alien cards, said state police.

The Texas brothers turned a NJ hotel room into a business office and were readying a massive cache of fake Social Security cards for delivery to a local NJ identity broker. Officers happened upon two cars bearing Texas plates in a NJ hotel parking lot. Authorities wouldn’t identify the NJ hotel by name for fear it would spark retribution. The Drug Interdiction Task Force regularly runs checks.

The Texas brothers were followed to a NJ office supply store nearby where they purchased computer supplies. Officers then followed the Texans to a NJ storage facility in Secaucus, NJ, where the Texans loaded several boxes into a car. One of them stood lookout. Authorities approached the Texas brothers when they returned to the NJ hotel and questioned them separately.

The Texas brothers consented to a search. Police recovered laminating sheets with built-in security features, pages of blank documents waiting for fake names and information, finished documents, computers and software to create the fake IDs. All told, the haul was worth about $500,000 on the street when sold to “impoverished illegals.” Police also recovered $6,000 in cash, which was the first payment from a NJ fake document broker for a shipment of 500 phony Social Security cards. ####


Illegal Manuel Mejia Ordonez ordered to repay $3M in Calif employment fraud
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A former Marysville resident has been sentenced to prison and ordered to pay back $3 million in fraudulently obtained unemployment compensation. US Attorney Benjamin B. Wagner said 31-year-old Manuel Mejia Ordonez was sentenced to eight years and one month in prison for conspiracy to commit mail fraud and identity theft. (Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...

QUESTION How does a citizen of Mexico make $3 million in unemployment claims? A. By establishing multiple identities. The fraudster, Manuel Mejia Ordonez, got eight years for conspiracy to commit mail fraud........and identity theft.


18 posted on 12/06/2011 10:17:17 AM PST by Liz
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To: indylindy
They do not deserve to have American taxpayers pay for their education.

Also teach them that actions such as entering a sovereign nation illegally have dire consequences even if it were the parents who did it. The kids are the by-product of their parents unlawful actions. American tax payers are being asked to help perpetuate the original crime and to reward that crime to boot.

19 posted on 12/06/2011 12:43:18 PM PST by Ron H. (Hardly no difference between politics and prostitution.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Children should not be punished for the actions of their parents?

Well, the American taxpayer shouldn’t be punished for the actions of the parents either.

Ms. Monroe should be required to identify, specifically, which American taxpayers deserve to have their federal benefits or services cut to pay for illegal alien tuition subsidies, and she should have to identify why illegal alien students are more deserving of that tax money than the people who would lose it.


20 posted on 12/08/2011 12:22:11 PM PST by altsehastiin
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To: hal ogen

My resolution is to send notice and billing to student and the Mexican government. If the Mexican government which should be responsible for It’s citizens fails to respond or pay the associated costs notify the student of such, tell him to go back to his native country and get the funds to get the benefits to stay in the USA. I wouldn’t mind if the student was offered and took an option of 4 years service in the USA military with probability of USA citizenship , but his Mexican citizenship must be irrevocably revoked. I don’t like the idea of dual citizens being able to vote in different countries.


21 posted on 12/08/2011 4:33:30 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: moonshinner_09
Illegal immigrant students deserve an education too

No, they don't.

If they snatch your purse and give the contents to their child when caught the items will be taken from that child and restored to you. The child has no right to them as they were stolen.

If someone breaks into your home and steals your Leapfrog and gives it to their child that child still has no right to your property.

You don't have a right to stolen property even if it is given to you by the thief.

Not that hard a concept.

22 posted on 12/08/2011 5:15:37 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (*Philosophy lesson 117-22b: Anyone who demands to be respected is undeserving of it.*)
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