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The Physics of why the e-Cat's Cold Fusion Claims Collapse
"Starts with A Bang!" Blog ^ | 12/5/2011 | Dr. Ethan Siegel, Dr. Peter Thieberger

Posted on 12/06/2011 6:22:41 AM PST by Johnny B.

This claim is made for two reasons:

Right here, this very site claimed that these results were probably faked, and now we're going to show you the physics of why these claims are definitely untrue.

(Excerpt) Read more at scienceblogs.com ...


TOPICS: Science; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: coldfusion; ecat; fake; lenr; rossi; stringtheory
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Good explanation of why Rossi's claims about transmutation are incompatible with reality.
1 posted on 12/06/2011 6:22:43 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.; Lx; Kevmo

Great post, Johnny B. I’d like to see a rebuttal from the usual suspects...might take them awhile.


2 posted on 12/06/2011 6:25:52 AM PST by dinodino
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To: dinodino
I've tried making this point for awhile, but this article is much more detailed than what I was able to produce.

It's also worth noting that the authors, Dr. Ethan Siegel and Dr. Peter Thieberger have really solid credentials. No doubt the fanbois will declare that they are just "deniers" and therefore should be ignored.

3 posted on 12/06/2011 6:29:45 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.
OTOH, MY cold fusion is going to work because I'm going to start with ice cubes, and they're really cold ... well if I put one on my tongue it gets my tongue really cold and then the only way to warm up my tongue is to FUSE it to the top of my mouth for a while to warm it up... so I know that I can use ice cubes for cold fusion.
4 posted on 12/06/2011 6:36:34 AM PST by Pecos (O.K., joke's over. Time to bring back the Constitution.)
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To: Johnny B.

The e-Cat shills will not be happy....


5 posted on 12/06/2011 6:38:43 AM PST by freebilly
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To: Johnny B.; Kevmo; Lx

The electrical schematic in the article was intriguing. The fact that Rossi left the genset running during the experiment was incredibly damning, in my mind. This article may explain why Rossi did that.


6 posted on 12/06/2011 6:40:19 AM PST by dinodino
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To: Pecos
MY cold fusion is going to work because I'm going to start with ice cubes, and they're really cold ... well if I put one on my tongue it gets my tongue really cold

In our lab, we're using flagpoles! They're more better than ice cubes!


7 posted on 12/06/2011 6:44:11 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: dinodino
The electrical schematic in the article was intriguing. The fact that Rossi left the genset running during the experiment was incredibly damning, in my mind. This article may explain why Rossi did that.
I'm confident that when the this scam is finally revealed, we'll all be surprised at just how simple the tricks were. There is no need for any complex or revolutionary process to produce the results we've seen. Just a few simple tricks, along with a bunch of people who are willing to give Rossi the benefit of the doubt.
8 posted on 12/06/2011 6:44:46 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.

Just more seagull squawking. /s


9 posted on 12/06/2011 6:55:08 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: Johnny B.

>>...I’m confident that when the this scam is finally revealed, we’ll all be surprised at just how simple the tricks were...<<

Ditto! I’m about %95 convinced it is a scam, pure and simple. However, if there is some corp who wants to risk a spare 100 million or so on a %5 chance it is legit, who am I to argue?

I’ve always had a purely unsubstantiated, ridiculous, nagging, gut feeling that the “next big thing” in energy production would be discovered purely by accident during entirely unrelated research and might not even be recognized until well after the fact. But I don’t think the e-Cat is “it”.


10 posted on 12/06/2011 7:19:29 AM PST by jaydee770
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To: Johnny B.
The article does a reasonably good job of explaining why LENR is not possible according to the knowledge of 1960's.

However it's similar to claims that a bumblebee can't fly. LENR experiments - other than Rossi's - do produce results that are not explainable by the current knowledge. The bumblebee flies. So perhaps more study is required?

I don't know if Rossi is a genius or a charlatan. I don't want to judge him. His work will judge him much better. I want him to continue doing whatever he is doing, and I want his machine to speak for itself. As one of the comments at the blog says, Rossi hasn't cost us even a cent, so why to bother?

He says he has buyers, and the buyers are happy. Good for them. Some say this buyer is a straw one. Fine, I don't care about theatrics. As soon as one real buyer buys the thing and it doesn't work the secret will be out.

11 posted on 12/06/2011 7:20:13 AM PST by Greysard
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To: Nervous Tick

Way back when I was a kid. Way back then we knew nothing of Freudian actions no one ever licked a flagpole, almost always the gullible doofus left the tongue skin on a metal mail box.

How could we have known we were homophobes?

Sad, so sad!

Caddis the Elder


12 posted on 12/06/2011 7:28:43 AM PST by palmerizedCaddis
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To: Greysard

I tend to agree with your entire post.


13 posted on 12/06/2011 7:56:37 AM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: Johnny B.

You know Johnny, I’ve read a lot of posts about the e-cat, and there are those that insist it’s a fraud. Perhaps it is, but it would not be as easy to fake as people on these threads suggest.

For instance, the argument that the diesel gen-set was running during the test. Perhaps many here have not been around one, but you can tell when the load has been switched off and on. You can hear it. You can see it in the exhaust. Kind of like when an 18 wheeler starts up a steep grade. Black smoke out the exhaust...

Kind of like when you plug your power saw into your Honda Generator, or turn the AC on in your motor home when it’s running on the generator. You hear it when the load is connected and disconnected. It would be obvious.

No, if you wanted to fake it you would not use a gen-set, you would power it from the mains...


14 posted on 12/06/2011 8:14:36 AM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: Johnny B.
The key paragraph:
Or was the whole thing faked, with natural copper powder added to natural nickel powder and passed off as "products" of the reaction? The fact that the "final sample" contained both the appropriate splits of nickel and the 70-30 split of copper-63 to copper-65 found in nature seems very suspicious as well.

15 posted on 12/06/2011 8:32:14 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Greysard
However it's similar to claims that a bumblebee can't fly. LENR experiments - other than Rossi's - do produce results that are not explainable by the current knowledge.

David Copperfield making the Statue of Liberty disappear suggests new physics as well.

16 posted on 12/06/2011 8:33:53 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: dinodino
That schematic showed an incredibly simple way to fake the results. One of the commentators on the article said it is easy to tell when the load to a generator is turned or off but what if they never turned it off as I suspect they did? They left it running, under a load while the E-cat was supposedly in self sustain mode.

In fact, that might even be the reason they had to test at half power; maybe they couldn't get a generator in the correct capacity to run the E-cat at supposed full power.

17 posted on 12/06/2011 8:55:25 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: dinodino

Yes, the magic cord schematic was hilarious. Was it UL approved? /sar


18 posted on 12/06/2011 8:56:18 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: Greysard
However it's similar to claims that a bumblebee can't fly. LENR experiments - other than Rossi's - do produce results that are not explainable by the current knowledge. The bumblebee flies. So perhaps more study is required?

That's a myth.

The story of the myth...

19 posted on 12/06/2011 9:02:19 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: babygene
Is your first name Gene? I ask because what you wrote is word for word what a poster named Gene wrote in the linked article. Article referenced Post 26:

I’ve read a lot of posts about the e-cat, and there are those that insist it’s a fraud. Perhaps it is, but it would not be as easy to fake as people suggest.

For instance, the argument that the diesel gen-set was running during the test. Perhaps many here have not been around one, but you can tell when the load has been switched off and on. You can hear it. You can see it in the exhaust. Kind of like when an 18 wheeler starts up a steep grade. Black smoke out the exhaust...

Kind of like when you plug your power saw into your Honda Generator, or turn the AC on in your motor home when it’s running on the generator. You hear it when the load is connected and disconnected. It would be obvious.

No, if you wanted to fake it you would not use a gen-set, you would power it from the mains...

Your post:

...I’ve read a lot of posts about the e-cat, and there are those that insist it’s a fraud. Perhaps it is, but it would not be as easy to fake as people suggest.

For instance, the argument that the diesel gen-set was running during the test. Perhaps many here have not been around one, but you can tell when the load has been switched off and on. You can hear it. You can see it in the exhaust. Kind of like when an 18 wheeler starts up a steep grade. Black smoke out the exhaust...

Kind of like when you plug your power saw into your Honda Generator, or turn the AC on in your motor home when it’s running on the generator. You hear it when the load is connected and disconnected. It would be obvious.

No, if you wanted to fake it you would not use a gen-set, you would power it from the mains...

Either you are Gene or you plagiarized his post.

20 posted on 12/06/2011 9:10:38 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx

I am a moron, I just noticed your first name.


21 posted on 12/06/2011 9:12:22 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Greysard
The article does a reasonably good job of explaining why LENR is not possible according to the knowledge of 1960's.
Unfortunately, there is no explanation, based on knowledge of the 1960s or now, that can explain how Rossi is transmuting "natural" Nickel (meaning only the naturally-occuring isotopes, in precisely the same ratio as in nature) into "natural" Copper and "natural" Iron.

Focardi's paper doesn't offer a process that will do this. No one else's papers describe a way of producing this result. However, just mixing some Copper and Iron powder into some Nickel powder would produce exactly what Rossi supplied.

George Miley recently presented data from his research. Miley has found 39 non-natural isotope ratios in the "ash" from his process. This is compelling evidence that a nuclear process is occurring. Additionally, it would be very difficult and very expensive to "fake" such evidence.

Rossi has nothing comparable. His samples are identical to what you would get in a kid's chemistry set, mixed together using nothing more sophisticated than a kitchen scale. I suspect that producing realistic samples would be far too expensive for his scam, so he just ignored the issue and hoped that no one would notice.

22 posted on 12/06/2011 9:47:07 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Nervous Tick

Flagpole? I TRIPLE DOG Dare you!


23 posted on 12/06/2011 9:51:06 AM PST by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: babygene
For instance, the argument that the diesel gen-set was running during the test. Perhaps many here have not been around one, but you can tell when the load has been switched off and on. You can hear it. You can see it in the exhaust. Kind of like when an 18 wheeler starts up a steep grade. Black smoke out the exhaust...
Although Rossi (and his secret "NATO Colonel") claimed about 470KW of power, that is based on the unsubstantiated claim that they were converting all the supplied water into steam. Based on the data they did provide, this seems unlikely.

Using the data supplied, the amount of power actually being "generated" could be as little as 65-75KW. That assumes that a trivial amount of water is actually being converted into steam. During this test, Rossi went out of his way to prevent any outsiders from being able to make even the most trivial measurements, so there is no reason to believe Rossi's conclusions.

A 500KW generator could easily provide 65-75KW without having to throttle up.

24 posted on 12/06/2011 9:54:30 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Lx

It’s interesting that my post was removed from that site... Wonder why that would be? I guess it didn’t support their agenda.


25 posted on 12/06/2011 10:02:51 AM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: babygene

Your post is still there, for some reason, it’s #31 now. Did you repost it or do they use some funky posting order?


26 posted on 12/06/2011 10:09:06 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Nervous Tick

Granted, flag poles are colder, but you will have to find someone that will respond to a triple-dog dare.


27 posted on 12/06/2011 10:25:06 AM PST by Pecos (O.K., joke's over. Time to bring back the Constitution.)
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To: Greysard
As soon as one real buyer buys the thing and it doesn't work the secret will be out.

It's unlikely that anyone will ever verifiably buy an ecat, as the MO of these scams is usually to collect investment money without delivering a product.
28 posted on 12/06/2011 10:49:39 AM PST by aNYCguy
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To: Pecos
Ralphie as Adult: [narrating] Schwartz created a slight breach of etiquette by skipping the triple dare and going right for the throat!
29 posted on 12/06/2011 10:54:38 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx; Nervous Tick; RoadGumby; Pecos
How DARE you guys hijack my important thread about Rossi and his E-Cat in order to discuss the movie "A Christmas Story"! I'm tempted to report you all to the admin and have you all removed from this site!!

BTW, did you know that the actor who played Ralphie also played the chief elf in the movie "Elf"?


30 posted on 12/06/2011 11:07:53 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: jaydee770
I'm one hundred percent sure it's a scam.

If I was Rossi and had just invented something that will change the world overnight, I'd have it professionally tested by more than one group. Just make it clear that they can't open the box and have someone as his rep at each test to ensure they don't try to open it.

That's what doesn't make sense. If he had that kind of proof, he could stand on the rooftops and exclaim that he had just solved one of mankind's major problems! Imagine what would happen in the energy markets???

He would then be able to grant manufacturing rights to a company like GE and collect the royalty checks and he could also have GE outfit him with a complete lab to work on his inventions. I picked GE as an example, I don't like their products, I think their quality is way down from twenty years ago. But if the E-cat is real, Rossi would have his pick.

He also needs to get it out before a government entity decides it's too important for one man to own the rights and to steal it right out from under him. Now, don't say that's why he acts the way he does, none of his theatrics would protect him from an Atlas Shrugged type government.

31 posted on 12/06/2011 11:17:41 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Johnny B.

>> I’m tempted to report you all to the admin and have you all removed from this site!!

PLEASE!! I triple dog dare ya! I need to get some work done.

>> BTW, did you know that the actor who played Ralphie also played the chief elf in the movie “Elf”?

I did not know that! What are you, the Renaissance Man? Movie trivia, physics, amateur comedian, hall monitor... what other talents do you have? :-)


32 posted on 12/06/2011 11:20:56 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: dinodino

The very words, “Cold fusion.” are oxymoronic-—If we are talking about a nuclear reaction.


33 posted on 12/06/2011 11:26:48 AM PST by TFMcGuire (Liberalism Is Hatred)
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To: Johnny B.

“Although Rossi (and his secret “NATO Colonel”) claimed about 470KW of power, that is based on the unsubstantiated claim that they were converting all the supplied water into steam. Based on the data they did provide, this seems unlikely. “

It is my understanding that with the “1 megawatt” test they did not convert the water to steam, in order to get more reliable measurements.


34 posted on 12/06/2011 11:36:02 AM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: babygene
It is my understanding that with the “1 megawatt” test they did not convert the water to steam, in order to get more reliable measurements.
That is not what has been widely reported. The "1MW" E-Cat supposedly produced steam, which was then fed into a closed-loop heat exchanger which converted it back into water. LINK, LINK, LINK.

Like all of Rossi's tests (except the February one, which had its own set of problems), the amount of steam actually generated was never properly determined. In the earlier tests, it was simply dumped down the drain. In this test, it was supposedly fed into a heat exchanger. Note that no one was allowed to get close enough to the heat exchanger to determine whether it was really giving off any heat or not.

The significance of this is that Rossi is claiming that the E-Cat is producing a excess heat in the ration of 6:1. This is the same ratio in the amount of energy required to convert water to steam versus heating it just to the boiling point. So, by lying about actually converting the water into steam, he "automatically" gets a apparent 6:1 gain where none exists.

35 posted on 12/06/2011 11:50:40 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Nervous Tick
I did not know that! What are you, the Renaissance Man? Movie trivia, physics, amateur comedian, hall monitor... what other talents do you have? :-)
I'm a world-class insomniac... which is how I manage to do all the other things. ;-)
36 posted on 12/06/2011 11:53:28 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Nervous Tick
>> I’m tempted to report you all to the admin and have you all removed from this site!!

PLEASE!! I triple dog dare ya! I need to get some work done.

You and me both!

I need to wean myself off of this story so I can get actual work done. But, it's like a good mystery story; I keep turning the pages to see "who done it".

37 posted on 12/06/2011 12:02:20 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.
I'm a world-class insomniac... which is how I manage to do all the other things. ;-)

Does that mean that's what your degree from Kensington University is in????

That's where I got my PhD in nuk-u-lar physics and I'm in charge of the local nuk plant. That's the ticket, yeah...


38 posted on 12/06/2011 12:19:24 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Johnny B.

They bring nothing of value to this thread. They are flag pole sitting shore birds, circling en masse (when not sitting on flag poles) in hopes of lining up targets under their drop zone.

Here's my standard reply to the lot of them:

I know you are but what am I?

39 posted on 12/06/2011 12:25:21 PM PST by 7MMmag (Five cents, please...)
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To: Lx

I invented an electric tea kettle...
Actually, it’s a combination tea kettle and steam iron!
In fact, it’s a MegaWatt cold fusion tea kettle and steam iron!
Yeah, that’s the ticket!


40 posted on 12/06/2011 1:13:51 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.

Are you looking for investors for this incredible device? I don’t need to see it work, just tell me some scienc-y sounding words, gets some past their sell-by date scientists to confirm it works and I’ll invest and convince my friends to as well.

What, you had a past prior conviction for fraud? OH I see, the mob was framing you. I understand, you were innocent, great!

Well that certainly doesn’t dampen my enthusiasm for your remarkable device or you.

When can I tour your fifth floor apartment manufacturing facility?


41 posted on 12/06/2011 1:22:40 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx
but what if they never turned it off as I suspect they did?

Where would you get a 0.5 MW diesel generator that doesn't have a meter of output power? Where would you get a customer who for the duration of several hours not even once looks at the control panel of that generator? Is there even one person alive on this planet who can't tell apart the sound of the diesel idling and the sound of the same diesel running at a 1,000 horsepower?

The only possibility of the generator running and producing power is attached to the scenario where the customer is working for Rossi. But then it doesn't matter what the generator is doing. If the customer was fake then it would be far better for Rossi to run the experiment for 24 hours and to turn the generator off. His "pocket customer" would tell whatever they wanted to hear anyway.

This doesn't preclude the possibility of the fake, but it makes the circumstances strange and worse for Rossi if he was in control.

With regard to the schematic, indeed differential pairs cancel the magnetic field. However I am unsure if that's how they measured the current. It would be impossibly dumb to do it this way because to measure power you need access to the voltage as well. Because of that an AC power meter just gives you an outlet, and whatever you plug into that outlet is measured. Wiring of your cord doesn't matter. The schematic seems to be a strawman until someone shows that it's exactly how they measured the power.

42 posted on 12/06/2011 2:01:12 PM PST by Greysard
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To: Greysard; Lx

Well, we will never know exactly how they measured power, because Rossi restricted access to the test. Rossi’s loosey-goosey test “methodology” intentionally omits annoying details like this.


43 posted on 12/06/2011 3:14:49 PM PST by dinodino
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To: Greysard
This doesn't preclude the possibility of the fake, but it makes the circumstances strange and worse for Rossi if he was in control.
As long as we're asking questions about the October 28th test, why would an organization so concerned with secrecy and supposedly in control of the test allow Rossi to invite a bunch of strangers (including an Associated Press reporter) to the multi-million dollar acceptance test?

Rossi certainly could have allowed his own demonstration of the "Megawatt E-Cat" either before or after the acceptance test, and if he had done so, he could have allowed his observers to actually observe elements of the test, instead of just having them stand at a distance and watch absolutely nothing of interest.

The only way this makes any sense is if it wasn't actually an acceptance test from a publicity-shy organization, but rather a publicity stunt by Rossi.

Wiring of your cord doesn't matter. The schematic seems to be a strawman until someone shows that it's exactly how they measured the power.
Here is a picture of how they measured the electric power in to the E-Cat in one of the early tests (LINK):


44 posted on 12/06/2011 3:16:50 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Greysard
Sorry, the original site won't let me link directly to the photo of Rossi measuring current to the E-Cat.

The picture is HERE, between 1/3 and 1/2 of the way down. It shows the wires broken out of their sheath, with an induction amp meter reading one wire.

46 posted on 12/06/2011 3:24:45 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.
It shows the wires broken out of their sheath, with an induction amp meter reading one wire.
According to THIS post on the Vortex mailing list, a reporter friendly to Rossi, Mats Lewan, build the section of power cord in the picture and took the measurements.

I believe that Lewan has been insufficiently diligent in covering this story, but I have no reason to assume that he is lying about this, or that Jed Rothwell is being less than honest about passing along the information.

47 posted on 12/06/2011 3:54:25 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Greysard
As one of the comments at the blog says, Rossi hasn't cost us even a cent, so why to bother?

According to the Google translation of the Italian wikipedia entry on PetrolDragon (Rossi's scam "fuel from waste" company), the toxic waste clean-up resulting from Rossi's scam has cost millions of euros and billions of pounds. So, Rossi's "eCat" may not have cost anyone except gullible investors a cent, but Rossi's previous scams cost everyone a LOT. I'm not sure why Rossi isn't currently in prison for that. For that kind of environmental damage, he does not deserve to be running around free to commit other scams.

48 posted on 12/06/2011 4:27:22 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Johnny B.
The picture is HERE, between 1/3 and 1/2 of the way down.

All photos on their site say "Don't steal our bandwidth." I have no idea what are they thinking or doing :-)

Anyway, there is a description that they used a single clamp AC current meter on a single wire. That only tells you the RMS current that flows through this one wire. If the setup is grounded (as it better be) then the other wire can carry much more power, and this one could be just a return current from a fake load. The measurement of phase of that current would tell you the whole story. A modern GE electric power meter has a DSP inside to take care of all the complexities.

Unfortunately every measurement in those experiments is done in most amateurish way, and different experiments are not building confidence (one proving the other) but are unreliable data points all over the place, unconnected and proving little.

I don't know what kind of scientific advice Rossi is getting. But if I were in charge I would simply build a demo system in a Lexan box and hang the box in the air with a detachable Nylon rope. The box would have four wires coming into it. One pair would go into the wall outlet, and another pair would connect to an obvious load - a large light, for example. Then everyone could clearly see what power is coming in and what power is coming out, and they can lift the box, lower the box, remove the rope to be sure that nothing else connects to the box.

This of course would require to build some sort of a steam engine to convert thermal power to electric power. I'm sure any designer of car engines can easily lend a hand here, and Italy shouldn't have shortage of those engineers. This method would be comparing apples to apples, and it would be very difficult to debate whether the machine works if it is set up this way and operates for weeks non-stop. Since it produces electric power, it should be possible to completely disconnect it from external power, making the demo even better. This is the basics, this is something that anyone who ever made a demo of a technology should know.

49 posted on 12/06/2011 6:54:59 PM PST by Greysard
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To: Johnny B.
According to THIS post on the Vortex mailing list, a reporter friendly to Rossi, Mats Lewan, build the section of power cord in the picture and took the measurements.

The method that Lewan describes is reasonable:

I made my own connection cord which I put in series, both at the main power supply and between the blue control box and the resistor in the Ecat. The connection cord was a standard 2 phase + ground, with the three single wires uncovered to be able to use the clamps ampere meter. I measured the current through all three wires regularly.

He measured the worst case, such as the current and the voltage are in phase, which they should be if the load is resistive. In reality, though, the load is slightly inductive, and his proper measurements should have shown that. A cheap Kill-A-Watt meter would be sufficient to measure these effects. Those guys are amateurs.

There is one potential problem with this measurement, though. Imagine that the wall socket is rewired to have both contacts "hot" and none are "neutral." Then the device, measured this way, would be able to draw double the power, with return current going through the ground connection that is done via pipes (if there is such a connection.) The reason for this is that Lewan didn't measure the direction of current flow in all wires. In a properly functioning outlet current flows out of the hot terminal, goes through the load, and returns through the neutral terminal. The sum of both currents should be zero, and that can be checked by clamping the meter on both hot and neutral wires. Did he do that? In a rigged system both terminals would be hot, and the current would flow in the same direction over both wires. The clamp over them together would show double the current. The drawback of this rigging is that a regular load wouldn't work in that outlet.

50 posted on 12/06/2011 7:13:46 PM PST by Greysard
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