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The Physics of why the e-Cat's Cold Fusion Claims Collapse
"Starts with A Bang!" Blog ^ | 12/5/2011 | Dr. Ethan Siegel, Dr. Peter Thieberger

Posted on 12/06/2011 6:22:41 AM PST by Johnny B.

This claim is made for two reasons:

Right here, this very site claimed that these results were probably faked, and now we're going to show you the physics of why these claims are definitely untrue.

(Excerpt) Read more at scienceblogs.com ...


TOPICS: Science; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: coldfusion; ecat; fake; lenr; rossi; stringtheory
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Good explanation of why Rossi's claims about transmutation are incompatible with reality.
1 posted on 12/06/2011 6:22:43 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.; Lx; Kevmo

Great post, Johnny B. I’d like to see a rebuttal from the usual suspects...might take them awhile.


2 posted on 12/06/2011 6:25:52 AM PST by dinodino
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To: dinodino
I've tried making this point for awhile, but this article is much more detailed than what I was able to produce.

It's also worth noting that the authors, Dr. Ethan Siegel and Dr. Peter Thieberger have really solid credentials. No doubt the fanbois will declare that they are just "deniers" and therefore should be ignored.

3 posted on 12/06/2011 6:29:45 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.
OTOH, MY cold fusion is going to work because I'm going to start with ice cubes, and they're really cold ... well if I put one on my tongue it gets my tongue really cold and then the only way to warm up my tongue is to FUSE it to the top of my mouth for a while to warm it up... so I know that I can use ice cubes for cold fusion.
4 posted on 12/06/2011 6:36:34 AM PST by Pecos (O.K., joke's over. Time to bring back the Constitution.)
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To: Johnny B.

The e-Cat shills will not be happy....


5 posted on 12/06/2011 6:38:43 AM PST by freebilly
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To: Johnny B.; Kevmo; Lx

The electrical schematic in the article was intriguing. The fact that Rossi left the genset running during the experiment was incredibly damning, in my mind. This article may explain why Rossi did that.


6 posted on 12/06/2011 6:40:19 AM PST by dinodino
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To: Pecos
MY cold fusion is going to work because I'm going to start with ice cubes, and they're really cold ... well if I put one on my tongue it gets my tongue really cold

In our lab, we're using flagpoles! They're more better than ice cubes!


7 posted on 12/06/2011 6:44:11 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: dinodino
The electrical schematic in the article was intriguing. The fact that Rossi left the genset running during the experiment was incredibly damning, in my mind. This article may explain why Rossi did that.
I'm confident that when the this scam is finally revealed, we'll all be surprised at just how simple the tricks were. There is no need for any complex or revolutionary process to produce the results we've seen. Just a few simple tricks, along with a bunch of people who are willing to give Rossi the benefit of the doubt.
8 posted on 12/06/2011 6:44:46 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.

Just more seagull squawking. /s


9 posted on 12/06/2011 6:55:08 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: Johnny B.

>>...I’m confident that when the this scam is finally revealed, we’ll all be surprised at just how simple the tricks were...<<

Ditto! I’m about %95 convinced it is a scam, pure and simple. However, if there is some corp who wants to risk a spare 100 million or so on a %5 chance it is legit, who am I to argue?

I’ve always had a purely unsubstantiated, ridiculous, nagging, gut feeling that the “next big thing” in energy production would be discovered purely by accident during entirely unrelated research and might not even be recognized until well after the fact. But I don’t think the e-Cat is “it”.


10 posted on 12/06/2011 7:19:29 AM PST by jaydee770
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To: Johnny B.
The article does a reasonably good job of explaining why LENR is not possible according to the knowledge of 1960's.

However it's similar to claims that a bumblebee can't fly. LENR experiments - other than Rossi's - do produce results that are not explainable by the current knowledge. The bumblebee flies. So perhaps more study is required?

I don't know if Rossi is a genius or a charlatan. I don't want to judge him. His work will judge him much better. I want him to continue doing whatever he is doing, and I want his machine to speak for itself. As one of the comments at the blog says, Rossi hasn't cost us even a cent, so why to bother?

He says he has buyers, and the buyers are happy. Good for them. Some say this buyer is a straw one. Fine, I don't care about theatrics. As soon as one real buyer buys the thing and it doesn't work the secret will be out.

11 posted on 12/06/2011 7:20:13 AM PST by Greysard
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To: Nervous Tick

Way back when I was a kid. Way back then we knew nothing of Freudian actions no one ever licked a flagpole, almost always the gullible doofus left the tongue skin on a metal mail box.

How could we have known we were homophobes?

Sad, so sad!

Caddis the Elder


12 posted on 12/06/2011 7:28:43 AM PST by palmerizedCaddis
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To: Greysard

I tend to agree with your entire post.


13 posted on 12/06/2011 7:56:37 AM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: Johnny B.

You know Johnny, I’ve read a lot of posts about the e-cat, and there are those that insist it’s a fraud. Perhaps it is, but it would not be as easy to fake as people on these threads suggest.

For instance, the argument that the diesel gen-set was running during the test. Perhaps many here have not been around one, but you can tell when the load has been switched off and on. You can hear it. You can see it in the exhaust. Kind of like when an 18 wheeler starts up a steep grade. Black smoke out the exhaust...

Kind of like when you plug your power saw into your Honda Generator, or turn the AC on in your motor home when it’s running on the generator. You hear it when the load is connected and disconnected. It would be obvious.

No, if you wanted to fake it you would not use a gen-set, you would power it from the mains...


14 posted on 12/06/2011 8:14:36 AM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: Johnny B.
The key paragraph:
Or was the whole thing faked, with natural copper powder added to natural nickel powder and passed off as "products" of the reaction? The fact that the "final sample" contained both the appropriate splits of nickel and the 70-30 split of copper-63 to copper-65 found in nature seems very suspicious as well.

15 posted on 12/06/2011 8:32:14 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Greysard
However it's similar to claims that a bumblebee can't fly. LENR experiments - other than Rossi's - do produce results that are not explainable by the current knowledge.

David Copperfield making the Statue of Liberty disappear suggests new physics as well.

16 posted on 12/06/2011 8:33:53 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: dinodino
That schematic showed an incredibly simple way to fake the results. One of the commentators on the article said it is easy to tell when the load to a generator is turned or off but what if they never turned it off as I suspect they did? They left it running, under a load while the E-cat was supposedly in self sustain mode.

In fact, that might even be the reason they had to test at half power; maybe they couldn't get a generator in the correct capacity to run the E-cat at supposed full power.

17 posted on 12/06/2011 8:55:25 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: dinodino

Yes, the magic cord schematic was hilarious. Was it UL approved? /sar


18 posted on 12/06/2011 8:56:18 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: Greysard
However it's similar to claims that a bumblebee can't fly. LENR experiments - other than Rossi's - do produce results that are not explainable by the current knowledge. The bumblebee flies. So perhaps more study is required?

That's a myth.

The story of the myth...

19 posted on 12/06/2011 9:02:19 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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Is your first name Gene? I ask because what you wrote is word for word what a poster named Gene wrote in the linked article. Article referenced Post 26:

I’ve read a lot of posts about the e-cat, and there are those that insist it’s a fraud. Perhaps it is, but it would not be as easy to fake as people suggest.

For instance, the argument that the diesel gen-set was running during the test. Perhaps many here have not been around one, but you can tell when the load has been switched off and on. You can hear it. You can see it in the exhaust. Kind of like when an 18 wheeler starts up a steep grade. Black smoke out the exhaust...

Kind of like when you plug your power saw into your Honda Generator, or turn the AC on in your motor home when it’s running on the generator. You hear it when the load is connected and disconnected. It would be obvious.

No, if you wanted to fake it you would not use a gen-set, you would power it from the mains...

Your post:

...I’ve read a lot of posts about the e-cat, and there are those that insist it’s a fraud. Perhaps it is, but it would not be as easy to fake as people suggest.

For instance, the argument that the diesel gen-set was running during the test. Perhaps many here have not been around one, but you can tell when the load has been switched off and on. You can hear it. You can see it in the exhaust. Kind of like when an 18 wheeler starts up a steep grade. Black smoke out the exhaust...

Kind of like when you plug your power saw into your Honda Generator, or turn the AC on in your motor home when it’s running on the generator. You hear it when the load is connected and disconnected. It would be obvious.

No, if you wanted to fake it you would not use a gen-set, you would power it from the mains...

Either you are Gene or you plagiarized his post.

20 posted on 12/06/2011 9:10:38 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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