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Trump Debate a Joke? A Reality Show? Beneath Office of President?
Maggie's Notebook ^ | 12-6-11 | Maggie@MaggiesNotebook

Posted on 12/06/2011 9:54:56 AM PST by maggiesnotebook

I don't think so. Last night on the Fox Panel, Donald Trump was roundly flogged for moderating a debate with GOP Presidential candidates. The complaints were that Trump might still run himself, Trump is not a journalist, a Trump debate is nothing more than a reality show, it's a joke and beneath the office of the Presidency (that from Ron Paul). Charles Krauthammer joined in and agreed. Karl Rove has expressed similar opinions. Krauthammer, Rove and other elitists need to get over themselves. True Conservative members of any Tea Party can do as well as any "journalist," and a Trump debate isn't a reality show until it's over and the audience decides it is a joke.

The jokes are the early debates moderated by various progressive, partisan hacks. Most 'journalists' are a joke, in my opinion. Sheeeesh! I am sick of these establishment efforts to elect Mitt Romney, and that's what this is about. I'm still listening to the candidates. I'm still making up my mind, because the two candidates I know without a doubt, will do the job, may be out of the running. I want to hear these debates, and Trump will ask some hard questions.  If Trump's position is wrong, or unpopular, so be it, but he's not a joke. If he doesn't do a good and honorable job, if his questions are inane, if no one shows up to debate, if there is no audience, so be it, but as Nancy Pelousy (hat tip to NiceDeb) indicated, you have to read or see something to know what's in it, or what the end result will be.

Shame on Charles Krauthammer and Karl Rove. Talk your guy up if you want to, but stop the condescending bitching.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: charleskrauthammer; donaldtrump; gopdebates; karlrove

1 posted on 12/06/2011 9:55:04 AM PST by maggiesnotebook
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To: maggiesnotebook
Trump Debate a Joke? A Reality Show? Beneath Office of President?

All of the above! Kudos to John Huntsman for saying so!

2 posted on 12/06/2011 9:58:19 AM PST by pgkdan ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: maggiesnotebook
A Trump moderated debate has the potential to reach many times the number of viewers as have the other debates and thats a very good thing.

Hacks. Krauthammer and Rove are worried the process is spinning beyond their ability to influence things.

3 posted on 12/06/2011 10:01:50 AM PST by skeeter
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To: pgkdan

Agreed.


4 posted on 12/06/2011 10:06:02 AM PST by stormer
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To: skeeter

“A Trump moderated debate has the potential to reach many times the number of viewers as have the other debates...”

I curious as to how you would support that contention.


5 posted on 12/06/2011 10:08:07 AM PST by stormer
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To: stormer

I’m...


6 posted on 12/06/2011 10:09:54 AM PST by stormer
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To: skeeter
“Krauthammer and Rove are worried the process is spinning beyond their ability to influence things.”

Last night on Greta Rove’s first slam on Trump as a debate moderator was the possibility that Trump would float a “birther” question to the candidates.

Obviously the GOP peeps must be protected from such a horrible prospect!

As of Monday, 12/5, Trump has declared war on Rove Krauthammer and Will. I don't think Trump would be reviving the forged LFBC issue if Trump didn't have the goods on Obama.

7 posted on 12/06/2011 10:10:54 AM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: stormer

Turn on the TV and take a look at what/who people like to watch.


8 posted on 12/06/2011 10:11:24 AM PST by skeeter
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To: maggiesnotebook

Is it better to have the likes of Wolf Blitzer or an MSNBC host moderate a debate?


9 posted on 12/06/2011 10:12:59 AM PST by kidd
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To: maggiesnotebook

I’ll watch it. It can’t be any worse than any of the others. The real joke is that anyone would criticize Trump when there has not been equal criticism of some of the other moderators, such as Brian Williams, Wolf Blitzer, Charlie Rose and Anderson Cooper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)_presidential_debates,_2012


10 posted on 12/06/2011 10:13:42 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: maggiesnotebook

Oh no, let’s not a let a successful American businessman/entrepreneur moderate a debate.

We need some blob from the Columbia School of Journalism.

Seriously, what are the criteria for choosing a moderator? They have to be totally devoted to the left and never had a real job?


11 posted on 12/06/2011 10:14:33 AM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Seizethecarp

it would not be any worse than the idiot repubs going on CNN, or MSNBC, or other socialist channels for a debate.
Remember Gwyn Awful and the obama/McCain debate?
That was so much conflict of interest, but old John just went along with it.
Hell, anything would be better than the enemy channels that are doing the current debates (debate used only as an identifier, because there is no debating going on)


12 posted on 12/06/2011 10:16:12 AM PST by 9422WMR
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To: maggiesnotebook

We’ll known more after the debate.


13 posted on 12/06/2011 10:17:39 AM PST by TexasCajun (Fast & Furious , Solyndra & Light Squared would be enough to impeach any White President !!)
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To: pgkdan

All these debates... Trump debates or moderated by leftist gerbalists... Whoever.

I don’t watch them.

I guess it’s all part of the vetting process, but in the end.... We all will have to hold our nose and vote for Romney.


14 posted on 12/06/2011 10:19:40 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: maggiesnotebook
Let the (Trump) cards fall where they may. He'll be better than the average alphabet newscasting moderator.
15 posted on 12/06/2011 10:21:35 AM PST by veracious
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To: maggiesnotebook

But Trump CAN’T moderate a debate. He doesn’t live, work, and breathe the air inside the Beltway.

/s


16 posted on 12/06/2011 10:25:57 AM PST by freespirited
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To: veracious

“Let the (Trump) cards fall where they may. He’ll be better than the average alphabet newscasting moderator.”

I will agree with that. I heard Glen Beck this morning saying Donald probably has a favorite candidate. I had to laugh as if the alphabet don’t.


17 posted on 12/06/2011 10:27:06 AM PST by Parley Baer
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To: maggiesnotebook
Trump is not a journalist

That's in his favor. Why should we ONLY have liberals question our candidates?

Has anyone here EVER heard of a democrat debate moderated by a panel of conservative journalists?

18 posted on 12/06/2011 10:28:28 AM PST by GOPJ (Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, Than a fatted calf with hatred - Proverbs 15)
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To: maggiesnotebook

People seem to be so happy about upsetting Karl Rove and Krauthammer and Will etc - and that is something to be happy about - that they are simply refusing to remember just how liberal and how out of touch with us Trump himself is.

He’s almost as liberal as Wolf Blitzer or David Gregory or John Harwood. Almost. It’s not a good thing, except that it does upset the likes of Rove (and I’ll admit that is a good thing).


19 posted on 12/06/2011 10:29:31 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: maggiesnotebook

I’m a bit conflicted. Not long ago, with my taste for decorum and traditionalism, I would have turned up my nose at the idea of the Trump debate. But many of these so-called ‘legit’ debates have already been crass and tacky to the point of being highly off-putting. Added to that, they are essentially being conducted from the liberal-media playbook, designed to put all the candidates in the most crummy light. It’s like ceding the battleground to the enemy before even starting.

Taking all that into consideration, I’m finding myself less concerned about a Trump debate. And since Karl Rove is vehemently opposed, that alone practically gives me a reason to support it!


20 posted on 12/06/2011 10:30:26 AM PST by greene66
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To: pgkdan

The republican party should be ashamed of themselves. Why don’t they just hold a minstrel show if they insist on being thought of as a bunch of clowns?


21 posted on 12/06/2011 10:33:25 AM PST by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: GOPJ

How about the following debates:
1) A debate co-moderated by the CEO’s of the 3 largest US ememployers.

2) A debate on healthcare in front of a panel of practicing Doctors.

3) A debate on social issues moderated by... oh wait, I could totally care less about that. Debate not needed.

4) A debate on conservative policy and the candidates positions, hosted by Mark Levin.


22 posted on 12/06/2011 10:44:17 AM PST by Made In The USA (This post may be recorded for quality purposes.)
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To: Made In The USA; GOPJ

Oh, I forgot one more:

5) A debate on Governmental fiscal responsibility in front of a panel of the top 5 tax paying individuals in this country.


23 posted on 12/06/2011 10:46:37 AM PST by Made In The USA (This post may be recorded for quality purposes.)
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To: maggiesnotebook
Since Trump also runs the Miss Universe pageant, Newt must assume the debate will include a swimsuit portion. Here he is getting a good tan in preparation.


24 posted on 12/06/2011 10:55:16 AM PST by drjimmy
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To: pgkdan

It’s no moreso a joke than the other debates (save for maybe the Huckabee forum and the Newt/Cain Lincoln/Douglas one).


25 posted on 12/06/2011 10:55:49 AM PST by RockinRight (If you're waiting to drink until you find pure water, you're going to die of dehydration.)
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To: maggiesnotebook

Trump is more “serious” than Jim Cramer.


26 posted on 12/06/2011 10:58:23 AM PST by Skeez (O)
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To: maggiesnotebook
"Shame on Charles Krauthammer..."

Give me a break. He's an editorialist giving his opinion, and as usual he happens to be correct. I don't understand why people have to go kiss Donald Trump's ring, much less participate in his self-aggrandizing attempt to become a king-maker; we would go crazy if Soros held court in a similarly ostentatious fashion. Trump isn't even a conservative, he's a "Trumpist" near as I can tell - all Donald, all the time. Watching he and Gingrich together hold their little press conference was like watching the collision of two supernovas of ego; utterly obnoxious.

I was seriously considering Gingrich, but I've now been reminded that along with his ideas, you get his ego and personality. Quite beyond the fact that he looks old, fat and positively disheveled - especially for a guy with a $500,000 credit line at Tiffany - the lack of anything approaching humility is a terrible turn-off.

27 posted on 12/06/2011 11:03:51 AM PST by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: skeeter
First of all, I don't think I want the mouth breathers who find any kind of value in “reality television” to be a factor in the election of the next president; secondly, if those interested in political discussion haven't had ample opportunity to learn about the candidates up until now, and that Donald Trump somehow represents their only conduit for that information, this nation has greater troubles than I can imagine; lastly, the idea that Trump can serve as some sort of unbiased arbiter when his ONLY interest is in lining his pockets should completely and irrevocably exclude him from that role.
28 posted on 12/06/2011 11:08:49 AM PST by stormer
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To: stormer

So lets lose another election instead. Brilliant.


29 posted on 12/06/2011 11:12:28 AM PST by skeeter
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To: maggiesnotebook

...but the media has a dream:

After the Reality Debate on the once bankrupt ION, Trump will ascend to the top of Trump Tower to contemplate in solitude his choice for the Republican Party.

The country will hold their collective breaths as they await his exalted decision. The media press will be all buzzing with anticipation and whispering to each other...is he still up there, when is he coming down, how long before we hear his words?

Then after days and days of media speculation and nervous waiting they receive the word...THE DONALD IS COMING DOWN...THE DONALD IS COMING DOWN!!!

The media hoards rush to the Trump Tower elevators and watch as the elevator slowly descends to the bottom floor and slowly opens revealing a Donald they have never seen before.

His yards of carefully coiffed hair is now pure white, he emits a almost spiritual glow and is dressed in a flowing robe.

Somberly, he hands envelopes to all the clambering media, inside is one name...Mitt Romney.

The doors close and the Donald ascends back to the top of his tower to prepare for his next season as host of Apprentice on NBC.

Also worth pondering:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ION-Media-Networks-Expands-pz-1442188405.html

I’m not sayin’ Trump has a vested interest in promoting this just because ION announced this within days of Trumps Reality Debate promotion but then again he loves promoting stuff.


30 posted on 12/06/2011 11:17:38 AM PST by RetSignman
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To: skeeter

Not going on the Donald Trump Dog & Pony Show isn’t going to cost anyone the election.


31 posted on 12/06/2011 11:18:12 AM PST by stormer
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To: stormer
Since I assume this election will be determined the same way they have in the past, I beg to differ.

Its about VOTES. And like it or not, those you call 'mouth breathers' vote in large numbers. 3/4 of the battle is getting them to pay attention before election day.

Regardless of how I personally feel about pop culture I'd rather these people give their votes to someone besides the Kenyan Klown, and that means they a) recognize the names & faces of the alternatives, at the very least; and b) have an idea, however vague, of the candidates general ideological tilt.

32 posted on 12/06/2011 11:26:27 AM PST by skeeter
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To: maggiesnotebook

The debate is supposed to be on the ION network. I don’t know how many people he expects to be in the viewing audience.


33 posted on 12/06/2011 11:38:22 AM PST by duckman (Herman 2012 Zero's worst night mare.)
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To: RetSignman

That’s good. You never know.


34 posted on 12/06/2011 11:45:50 AM PST by maggiesnotebook
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To: maggiesnotebook

There’s nothing wrong with Trump moderating a debate. He wants to know about trade with China and India. How are we going to deal with OPEC? Put the questions out there and let’s see what candidates have to say. I’ll watch it because you never know when you’ll catch an interesting fact.


35 posted on 12/06/2011 12:05:18 PM PST by larryleo
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To: Made In The USA

You’ve got something important there... and in the right order. Start with the CEO’s and move right along to the doctors. It would be an eye-opener for the country, the GOP AND ‘Occupy’ types...


36 posted on 12/06/2011 4:29:06 PM PST by GOPJ (Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, Than a fatted calf with hatred - Proverbs 15)
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To: Seizethecarp

You think Trump cares if he has anything on Obama? He can say what he wants — he’s The Donald.


37 posted on 12/06/2011 4:30:18 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: maggiesnotebook

A Trump debate format would be of Trump, by Trump and for Trump and little else.


38 posted on 12/06/2011 4:40:29 PM PST by Joan Kerrey
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To: CharlesWayneCT
“You think Trump cares if he has anything on Obama?”

Yes. It is Marketing 101 and Accounting 101

Most of Trump's net worth is based on an “intangible asset” which is his brand name, “Trump.”

How people feel about that brand and what they associate with the brand and thus the value of the brand would be undermined if Trump were to be perceived as tainted by dishonesty, foolishness or stupidity by the purchasers of products with his brand.

39 posted on 12/06/2011 5:58:44 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: duckman

Good point, although a lot of people managed to find Monk there. Maybe it will live-stream somewhere.


40 posted on 12/06/2011 7:14:23 PM PST by maggiesnotebook
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To: Made In The USA

Great idea, just keep AARP doctors off of No. 2. Huckabee’s forum with three State Attorneys Generals worked well.


41 posted on 12/06/2011 7:18:13 PM PST by maggiesnotebook
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