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FEDERAL AGENTS DEMAND CUSTOMER LISTS FROM MORMON FOOD STORAGE FACILITY
Liberty News Online ^ | 12/9/11 | OathKeepers.org

Posted on 12/09/2011 5:30:06 AM PST by Kartographer

Oath Keepers has learned that federal agents recently visited a Later Day Saints (Mormon) Church food storage cannery in Tennessee, demanding customer lists, wanting to know the identity of Americans who are purchasing food storage from the Mormons.

This incident was confirmed, in person, by Oath Keepers Tennessee Chapter President, Rand Cardwell. Here is Rand’s report:

“A fellow veteran contacted me concerning a new and disturbing development. He had been utilizing a Mormon cannery near his home to purchase bulk food supplies. The man that manages the facility related to him that federal agents had visited the facility and demanded a list of individuals that had been purchasing bulk food. The manager informed the agents that the facility kept no such records and that all transactions were conducted on a cash-and-carry basis. The agents pressed for any record of personal checks, credit card transactions, etc., but the manager could provide no such record. The agents appeared to become very agitated and after several minutes of questioning finally left with no information. I contacted the manager and personally confirmed this information.

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Food; Government
KEYWORDS: agenda21; getreadyhereitcomes; preparedness; prepperping; preppers; shtf; survivalping
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Can any fellow Freeper confirm this? I don't want to spread rumor.
1 posted on 12/09/2011 5:30:11 AM PST by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer

What the @#$% does the federal gov’t want to know this for? The store should have copied the credentials of the agent before taking any questions.


2 posted on 12/09/2011 5:34:11 AM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Kartographer

Just WOW.


3 posted on 12/09/2011 5:36:14 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, or the jobs that go with it.)
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To: coloradan
What the @#$% does the federal gov’t want to know this for?

I'm imagining it has something to do with our government investigating the Mormons for one reason or another. They do so consistently. Child labor/underage marriage/polygamy and all that.
4 posted on 12/09/2011 5:36:39 AM PST by arderkrag (Georgia is God's Country. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: Kartographer

A guy heard it from a veteran who heard it from a store owner........

Keep your powder dry guys.


5 posted on 12/09/2011 5:40:20 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: arderkrag
"..government investigating the Mormons for one reason or another."

I see that you have not yet learned how to think like the enemy.

Forget "child marriage", etc. this is about Homeland Insecurity.

In the fevered minds of government bureaucrats, anyone who is hoarding food might be planning a violent overthrow of our government.

What with all the Mormons, Amish, and Lutherans, the government can't decide who to investigate first.

6 posted on 12/09/2011 5:45:08 AM PST by Designer (Nit-pickin' and chagrinin')
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To: Erik Latranyi
I did ask in the post if a FReeper could confirm this, but it seems you didn't read the article:

This incident was confirmed, in person, by Oath Keepers Tennessee Chapter President, Rand Cardwell. Here is Rand’s report:
7 posted on 12/09/2011 5:46:46 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

I was under the impression based upon another article you posted that the Mormon canneries have stopped allowing non-Mormons to purchase from the canneries due to increased demand from the general public and wildly fluctuating commodities pricing in the last year and a half.

Do you remember that article?


8 posted on 12/09/2011 5:52:21 AM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: JerseyHighlander

My take on it is that the policy very. I know here I got one invite and I had to get a Saint to sponsor me. Always check with your local cannery and see what their policy is. I will say if it wasn’t for the assistance of some out of state Mormon friends I doubt if I would have managed the one invite.


9 posted on 12/09/2011 5:59:08 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Designer

It is clear from the article that the problem is cash. The stuff just does not leave a trail. Do away with cash in the hands of the non-ruling class and the investigation is greatly simplified.


10 posted on 12/09/2011 6:02:13 AM PST by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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To: Kartographer

Just did a bit of google search, the articles and info about closing non-members to the canneries got publicity in March, at that time I looked into the options in New Jersey and there aren’t any good options here in NJ.


11 posted on 12/09/2011 6:04:39 AM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: Kartographer

Is this facility run by a church?
Is the work of the facility a religious endeavor?
Or is it commerce?
A church can engage in commerce, but then it has to follow the rules of commerce.
Selling food and supplies in bulk is commerce.
The government typically requires those engaged in commerce to keep records what is sold and to whom and at what price.

The government requires the local meat packing plant, and Nabisco and Sams Club to keep records of what is sold and to whom and at what price.

It seems these laws also apply to bulk sales of food, regardless of why the food is being sold.

As a minimum, revenue has to be tracked for IRS purposes, even if they sell one apple at a time.

Is the federal govt trying to enforce the law?
Has this facility been following the record keeping requirements?

1. Are you mad because the laws seem intrusive?
2. Are you mad because the laws are being enforced?
3. Are you mad because this facility is being singled out?
4. Are you mad because the law finally caught up with this facility?

Its hard to tell.


12 posted on 12/09/2011 6:07:00 AM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: Kartographer
The man that manages the facility related to him that federal agents had visited the facility and demanded a list of individuals that had been purchasing bulk food.

Upon any such visit, the first question MUST be:

"Do you have a warrant signed by a judge? If not, please get off my property right now, before I call 911 and report a defiant trespass".

And you should call your attorney immediately and put him on speakerphone to talk to the agents.

13 posted on 12/09/2011 6:09:45 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: Kartographer
Nobody knows what the intent was - they could be tracking a bad guy and he was doing business with this food storage or engaging in fraud or money laundering and they are trying to tie some things together.

I read the article, unfortunately, and the tin foil is immense.

The Costco and Sam's by my house probably do more business in a few days in bulk food sales than this cannery does in a week.

The article speculates that, and I quote:

1. DHS/FEMA wants to know which Americans have food storage so the federal government can at some future point confiscate that food. Just as with lists of gun owners, compiling such lists is the first step toward future confiscation.

This is so damn retarded I don't even know where to start. If they want to confiscate food, they aren't going to be knocking on our doors and asking for our 40 boxes of Macaroni or our 20 boxes of powdered milk. They will go to the distribution centers and confiscate those 18 wheelers you see on the road delivering food to Wal-Mart, Target, Safeway, Randalls, Piggly Wiggly.

This idea that they are tracking the bulk food purchases of individuals is retarded, because once the food leaves the facility, they have no idea whether it's going to be used up by a large family within two months or whether it's going to a church soup kitchen to be used up within two weeks.

They aren't going to waste their time piddling around with searching our pantries, they are going to go to the source of the food. They are going to go to Kellogs, Pilgrim's Pride, Borden, or to the distributors like Wal-Mart, Safeway, etc. It only takes one person to confiscate an 18 wheeler full of food. It would take a lot of agents and a lot of time trying to get an equivalent amount of food from individuals.
14 posted on 12/09/2011 6:10:26 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Notwithstanding
The government typically requires those engaged in commerce to keep records what is sold and to whom and at what price.

BS. I can go to my supermarket, load up a cart with stuff, pay cash, and they don't care who I am. This store is under no obligation to maintain records of who they sell to.

15 posted on 12/09/2011 6:14:35 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: Kartographer

“... federal agents had visited the facility and demanded a list of individuals that had been purchasing bulk food...”

Happy to comply if you have a statutory authority and warrant. No? Sorry, have a nice day, and the door is thataway.


16 posted on 12/09/2011 6:14:58 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: af_vet_rr

Seems to me they are the government the experts at time wasting.

But my thought is that they could be building a case to close such facilities.


17 posted on 12/09/2011 6:17:06 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Notwithstanding

Wear your yoke easily FRiend. Keep thinking it is just about rules for your own good as that yoke clicks shut on your neck.


18 posted on 12/09/2011 6:17:18 AM PST by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: Designer
I think you're right. It has to do with SHTF. Didn't a popular survival guide come from the Mormon Church?

-PJ

19 posted on 12/09/2011 6:18:37 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: JerseyHighlander

Did you check the one near Swedesboro?


20 posted on 12/09/2011 6:18:45 AM PST by meatloaf (I've had it with recycling politicians in any way shape or form. Toss 'em out!)
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To: Notwithstanding
I didn't think about the church getting involved in organized commerce and perhaps running afoul of regulations. That's a far simpler explanation and more likely scenario.

The article just babbles about DHS wanting to know who is stockpiling food in case of an apocalypse of some sort so they could target those people, which is dumb. If the government is going to confiscate food to control people, they are going to do it at the source of production or distribution.

The federal government doesn't have the resources to search 85 million households, but they do have the resources to take control of distribution centers and they could put the majority of those 85 million households under their heel within just a few months if they control those distribution centers.
21 posted on 12/09/2011 6:19:30 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: coloradan
Looks like the Feds are gearing up for a run at us "preppers".

If we aren't dependent upon them, then we are a THREAT.

22 posted on 12/09/2011 6:21:51 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Kartographer
But my thought is that they could be building a case to close such facilities.

I'd like to see them try and shut down Wal-Mart/Sam's or Costco. Lots of voters and lobbyists would make it known to their Congress folks that they aren't happy about something like that.
23 posted on 12/09/2011 6:24:41 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Notwithstanding
According to the article, they're not wanting to know what they sold, and for how much. They're wanting to know the names of the people they sold it to.

This doesn't appear to be about commerce, but about finding out who's got a food stash.

24 posted on 12/09/2011 6:24:52 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Kartographer
The agents appeared to become very agitated and after several minutes of questioning finally left with no information.

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What kind of "federal agents" were these? Is it likely they would just leave after "several minutes"? Wouldn't they have a warrant?

25 posted on 12/09/2011 6:26:18 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: coloradan

“What the @#$% does the federal gov’t want to know this for? The store should have copied the credentials of the agent before taking any questions.”

Because when the SHTF the Feds want to be able to go around and collect food from all the “hoarders”. I hate to have to say this but what did you think you were buying up weapons and ammo to protect your survival food from? The Feds must know something is about to happen soon. My guess is they are well aware we will be facing a total economic collapse in the next 18-24 mos. That’s why they have passed that Armed Forces Defense Bill so they can pick up American citizens off the street and hold them indefinitely and that is why they are hiring contractors to open up the FEMA camps. Welcome to the police state.


26 posted on 12/09/2011 6:34:28 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: af_vet_rr
I didn't think about the church getting involved in organized commerce and perhaps running afoul of regulations. That's a far simpler explanation and more likely scenario.

That doesn't jive with them wanting a list of customers. They weren't asking for the sales records of what they sold, they wanted a list of names of the people they sold it to. If it was the IRS, I think they's have shown up with a warrant. This sounds more like they're trying to bully them in to giving up information they're not obligated to provide.

27 posted on 12/09/2011 6:35:38 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Notwithstanding

You’re one of those “If you have nothing to hide” people aren’t you?


28 posted on 12/09/2011 6:36:04 AM PST by Dick Tater
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To: Dead Corpse
If we aren't dependent upon them, then we are a THREAT.

Actually, you are not a threat. If we are talking about the ultimate 1984 scenario, they will still most likely bring you under their control in the end, because they won't stop at food - they'll control the fuel, they'll control things like the power grid, natural gas, the hospitals, water, highways, etc. Unless you are on a farm in the middle of nowhere and are prepared to go without electricity and natural gas, and can raise your own food and provide your own water source, they will control you within a short amount of time - it maybe 3 months, it maybe 9 months, but they will put you under their heel when your food or water runs out or you need major medical care of some sort.

In a true nation-wide emergency, the people they are going to worry about the most are the types of people like the idiots on "Occupy Wall Street", because there will be 10s of millions of those pricks running around, setting things on fire, breaking into grocery stores and government offices and doing what they can to shut down the government and businesses.

They are also going to be worried about the people who can't take care of themselves, similar to a lot of people in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina, because those people will start dying in droves.

Hell, look at what happens with winter storms and power outages that last a week or two and how many people rapidly get themselves in trouble. The majority of people in this country are probably just one to two weeks from being in serious trouble if something happened and they couldn't get to the local McDonalds or Wal-Mart.
29 posted on 12/09/2011 6:37:59 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

Information is power. Noriega learned this. If the Fed Gov knows where the “6 month” or “24 month” supples of food for a family of 6 are in various communities this info will be power they can dish out drop at a time to local politicians to play the game. If you are storing that much food and ANYONE knows it, then the probablility you will actually be the one to eat it dwindles. Sorry to be a wet blanket. Bullets keep better than food anyway...


30 posted on 12/09/2011 6:41:15 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: af_vet_rr
They aren't going to waste their time piddling around with searching our pantries, they are going to go to the source of the food. They are going to go to Kellogs, Pilgrim's Pride, Borden, or to the distributors like Wal-Mart, Safeway, etc.

Uh hello, they went to a Mormon food distribution center. Or does "Mormon cannery" mean "some dude's pantry" to you?

31 posted on 12/09/2011 6:42:05 AM PST by Dick Tater
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To: Kartographer
It sounds like more info can be found, along with maps of the secret FEMA camps!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=A+fellow+veteran+contacted+me+concerning+a+new+and+disturbing+development&btnK=#q=A+fellow+veteran+contacted+me+concerning+a+new+and+disturbing+development&hl=en&prmd=imvns&ei=txviTtKXEuqviAKDwNj2Bw&start=20&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=b3da78f8c008cf8b&biw=1095&bih=703

32 posted on 12/09/2011 6:42:42 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: Kartographer

They’re trying to identify “domestic terrorist”.

The Obama adminstration has recently added “has stockpiled food as emergency rations” as a warning sign that someone is a potential domestic terrorist.

Other warning signs on the list include:

* Owns a gun
* Has a Gadsden flag bumper sticker on their car
* Is a fundamentalist Christian


33 posted on 12/09/2011 6:42:47 AM PST by Brookhaven
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To: Kartographer

And while the door-to-door preparedness assessments in Tennessee appears to be well intended (and we spoke with a friendly state preparedness officer who said it was motivated by the recent natural disasters in Tennessee), Americans are well justified in being concerned about such efforts and how that information may be used in the future, in light of these other well documented and confirmed incidents of federal law enforcement collecting information on those who purchase preparedness items and indicating that the purchases of those items may be “indicators of terrorist activity.”

Yup, Mr. Whitey McCrackerhonkey is the terrorist and not Muzzies like the Ft. Hood one that went on a jihad and murdered 17 infidels. His act was one of “workplace violence.” It could have been a “man-made disaster” too if it had turned into something more than that.


34 posted on 12/09/2011 6:44:26 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: af_vet_rr
Like you, I suspect that when the gummint checks stop there will be many folks running around “with their hair on fire”. Kurt Vonnegut wrote about a similar scenario decades ago and he called them “The Army of Mars”. I suspect that like “The Army of Mars” folks with their hair on fire will last about as long. We really only need to worry about how to survive that brief period and then pick up the pieces and move on. As Beck has predicted, the trick will be how to keep the plutocrats and thugs from “getting to the pieces first.”
35 posted on 12/09/2011 6:46:26 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I heard some similar on-goings during the Clinton administration with Janet “Sterno” Reno.


36 posted on 12/09/2011 6:47:39 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: tacticalogic
That doesn't jive with them wanting a list of customers. They weren't asking for the sales records of what they sold, they wanted a list of names of the people they sold it to. If it was the IRS, I think they's have shown up with a warrant. This sounds more like they're trying to bully them in to giving up information they're not obligated to provide.

While I agree with you that they should have had a warrant, it does jive because they are pretty strict about people buying in bulk from places and reselling it. I just looked at Costco's website and if you are going to buy their products to resale them, you have to get a business account and provide the appropriate resale information for tax/business purposes.

And Sam's Club is a lot more in-depth about resales:

Use of Resale Permit or Transaction of Privilege Tax License (“Tax-Exempt”)

Business Member must declare to the cashier any merchandise being purchased for resale or otherwise tax-exempt.
A tax-exempt organization may purchase tax-free. All items purchased must be used exclusively by the tax-exempt organization for tax-exempt purposes only.
To obtain tax-exempt purchasing privileges, Members must present a valid State Tax-Exempt number or Sales and Use Tax License (or photo copy) with a Membership application and renew it once every three years at Sam's Club.
If the Member buys any property for resale and uses that property for anything other than retention, demonstration or display while holding it for sale, the law requires the Member to report and pay tax, measured by the purchase price or other authorized amount.
Member will hold Sam's Club harmless from and will indemnify Sam's Club against any claim, loss or expense occurring from any failure to comply with Resale Permits or Tax-Exempt requirements, and Membership will be subject to immediate forfeiture.


37 posted on 12/09/2011 6:48:35 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Dick Tater

Or a fedgov employee. Your tax bill is their livlihood, and that changes your perspective.


38 posted on 12/09/2011 6:49:06 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: PapaBear3625

You mean “not yet” are they required to keep track of you. That was one thing I always hated at some of the supermarkets. The little discount cards that you could get from them to save you some money when in fact they are being used for inventory control but also tied to you so if “someone” wanted to track what you were buying every week it would be real easy. Cash is king.
Unfortunately we are in a transitional period after moving and have no place to store/stockpile our emergency rations. Hopefully that will be solved soon. Even had to sell a bunch of ammo before the move but have since been able to acquire some replacement. Keep ‘em dry and smoke ‘em if you got ‘em.


39 posted on 12/09/2011 7:00:37 AM PST by rktman
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To: wastoute
If the Fed Gov knows where the “6 month” or “24 month” supples of food for a family of 6 are in various communities this info will be power they can dish out drop at a time to local politicians to play the game. If you are storing that much food and ANYONE knows it, then the probablility you will actually be the one to eat it dwindles. Sorry to be a wet blanket. Bullets keep better than food anyway...

If I buy bulk food, how is the government going to know that it's going in my pantry? How do they know it's not going straight to my church, or to be used up at a big party or family reunion? How do they know that my family is not going to start in on that food that very day and that it could be gone in 3 months at which point I buy more?

Now the government was wanting to really track what we buy and do - under Bush, the government tried to create the Information Awareness Office which could have built up solid profiles of every American citizen. But at the end of the day, short of physically coming into my house and inspecting my pantry, they still have no clue what I have.

I agree that bullets keep better than food, but honestly, there are not enough people who have 6 weeks worth of supplies, let alone 6 months, to register on the government's radar.

Hell, if starting right now, the food disappeared from convenience stores, grocery stores, restaurants, and people had to live off what they had in their residences, there are going to be plenty of people in serious trouble 6 days from now, let alone 6 weeks or 6 months or 24 months.


40 posted on 12/09/2011 7:03:21 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

Clearly you haven’t been paying attention the aren’t worried about voters.


41 posted on 12/09/2011 7:04:12 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: af_vet_rr
Nope. If it gets to that point, then I have nothing left to loose. It'd be time to start collecting heads.

And yeah, I live on acreage with heavy woods and rive access, private well/septic, etc...

42 posted on 12/09/2011 7:06:07 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: af_vet_rr
While I agree with you that they should have had a warrant, it does jive because they are pretty strict about people buying in bulk from places and reselling it. I just looked at Costco's website and if you are going to buy their products to resale them, you have to get a business account and provide the appropriate resale information for tax/business purposes.

I don't see how that's relevant. Costco isn't required to keep a record of the names of everyone the sell to, and provide it to the IRS on damand. If you're buying from Costco for resale, it's your repsonsibility to do the paperwork and report it to the IRS. If you didn't do it, the IRS should be coming after you, not Costco.

43 posted on 12/09/2011 7:08:40 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Dick Tater
Uh hello, they went to a Mormon food distribution center. Or does "Mormon cannery" mean "some dude's pantry" to you?

Like I said, you're talking small beans, compared to Costco or Sam's. We don't even know what kind of "federal agents" they were or the name of the cannery. This information should be easy to verify, but it's missing. Mormons have a persecution/doomsday complex to begin with, which is why they used to insist on two years, then one year, now three months of food storage. I always thought it was funny that they were required to have a massive amount of food in case the second coming of Jesus Christ happens during their lifetime.
44 posted on 12/09/2011 7:10:00 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: rktman
The little discount cards that you could get from them to save you some money when in fact they are being used for inventory control but also tied to you so if “someone” wanted to track what you were buying every week it would be real easy. Cash is king.

When getting one of those member cards, they still work fine when you supply a fictitious name and address.

45 posted on 12/09/2011 7:15:35 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: wastoute
Like you, I suspect that when the gummint checks stop there will be many folks running around “with their hair on fire”.

I don't suspect at all - if you could cut off all food distribution and sales today, there will be people in serious trouble just a week or two out. There are people who think they are okay for a few weeks, but remove electricity or natural gas from the equation, and they will be in trouble.
46 posted on 12/09/2011 7:17:13 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: coloradan

“What the @#$% does the federal gov’t want to know this for? The store should have copied the credentials of the agent before taking any questions.”

WHY INDEED?????

Anti-Hoarding Laws and Executive Orders

Congress has 30 days to object to an Executive Order (EO) before it becomes law. No objections were raised against these Command and Control emergency “Readiness Laws” when they were put in place. Has the emergency arrived that needs them and are they slowly being introduced?

Bill Clinton grouped together the following EOs under EO #12919 released on June 6, 1994. These are the tools used to shred the Constitution and take away your rights under its protection: Each EO number is linked to its full content:

10995 — Federal seizure of all communications media in the US (tested last month).
10997 — Federal seizure of all electric power, fuels, minerals, public and private.
10998 — Federal seizure of all food supplies and resources, public and private and all farms and equipment (including what you are storing for emergencies in your home right now).
10999 — Federal seizure of all means of transportation, including cars, trucks, or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports and water ways.
11000 — Federal seizure of American people for work forces under federal supervision, including the splitting up of families if the government so desires (this happened before in Europe during the Nazi regime).
11001 — Federal seizure of all health, education and welfare facilities, both public and private.
11002 — Empowers the Postmaster General to register every single person in the US.
11003 — Federal seizure of all airports and aircraft.
11004 — Federal seizure of all housing and finances and authority to establish forced relocation. Authority to designate areas to be abandoned as “unsafe,” establish new locations for populations, relocate communities, build new housing with public funds.
11005 — Seizure of all railroads, inland waterways and storage facilities, both public and private.
11051 — Provides FEMA complete authorization to put above orders into effect in times of increased international tension of economic or financial crisis (FEMA will be in control in case of “National Emergency”).

These EOs are not aimed at anti-hoarding but rather at seizure or confiscation of items and facilities “to provide a state of readiness in these resource areas with respect to all conditions of national emergency, including attack upon the United States.”

You’ll find most ‘seizure’ legislation ends with this phrase. These Executive Orders don’t define what specifically constitutes a national emergency…The specifics on hoarding are left up to the individual states.


47 posted on 12/09/2011 7:17:42 AM PST by phockthis
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To: Kartographer
Clearly you haven’t been paying attention the aren’t worried about voters.

They may not care about individual voters, but they damn sure care about lobbyists. That's a topic for another thread, but if we could dry up that lobbying and campaign money, it would solve a lot of problems with Congress.
48 posted on 12/09/2011 7:18:41 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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small beans? Not so much. And the bigger difference is that Costco and Sams dont give it away like the church does.

As to Mormons having a persecution complex, you dont think it's warranted? Look at the ridiculous bigotry on THIS website towards them - and the douches on this site profess to be the live and let live types. As for doomsday, not so much. The advice is to be prepared for hard times, not the EOW. ...and it's still 1 year.

49 posted on 12/09/2011 7:21:06 AM PST by Dick Tater
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Exactly my point. I don’t think one needs 6 months of food. In 6 days there will be plenty of food (for the survivors). Smart folks would be learning how to gain knowledge that will be invaluable when trying to survive... Knowledge is imperishable (to the point of memory anyway) and can’t be taken from you without your consent.


50 posted on 12/09/2011 7:23:04 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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