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Perry's On The Move In Iowa
TalkingSides.com ^ | 12/13/11 | CaroleL

Posted on 12/13/2011 9:51:22 AM PST by CaroleL

GOP presidential contender Rick Perry is gaining ground in Iowa. A new American Research Group poll shows the Texas governor with 13% support from likely caucus goers. That's up 8 points from the same survey last month while current front runner Newt Gingrich has dropped 5 points (27% to 22%) and former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney has dropped 3 (20% to 17%). Congressman Ron Paul has gained a point since November (16% then 17% now), but the majority of the Gingrich/Romney losses are definitely Perry gains.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: caucuses; iowa; perry; rickperry
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1 posted on 12/13/2011 9:51:32 AM PST by CaroleL
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To: CaroleL

Of those three candidates, I believe that Perry would make the best President.

And the worst candidate.


2 posted on 12/13/2011 9:53:34 AM PST by Grunthor (We dont LOVE Newt - heck we barely even like him. He's just the best of a rotten bunch)
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To: CaroleL

Perry is an idiot.


3 posted on 12/13/2011 9:55:59 AM PST by SQUID (5 ZX V B)
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To: CaroleL

Finally. Some good news. Newt and Mitt make me puke.

Perry, Santorum or Bachmann - in that order.


4 posted on 12/13/2011 9:56:36 AM PST by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else.)
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To: Grunthor

huh? three? there’s four in that article.


5 posted on 12/13/2011 9:56:41 AM PST by mamelukesabre (.)
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To: CaroleL

Rush was just mentioning that John Podhoretz has written that:

Newt is the most likely to get the nomination, but can’t get elected.

Mitt is the most likely to win the election, but can’t get nominated.

So maybe, Rick Perry, “The Comeback Kid” can thread the needle and make it back into the race.


6 posted on 12/13/2011 9:57:13 AM PST by Signalman
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To: CaroleL
I've had Perry down as No. 1 from the beginning...Against all those Palin loyalists and then the Palin jumpfest to Cain....

I'd say in reality, Newt and Perry are neck and neck...ignoring the polls.

Either one would be excellent but I prefer Perry because he has had some unique problems.

P.S. Any Katrina folks ever thank him??

7 posted on 12/13/2011 10:00:15 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: SQUID
Perry is an idiot.

Really? He may not have a glib tongue, but his accomplishments would contradict your statement.

8 posted on 12/13/2011 10:01:14 AM PST by McLynnan
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To: CaroleL

I said months ago here on FR that I thought mitt would end up being the running mate(veep) but that I couldn’t tell who would be the republican nominee. I’m still not backing away from that.


9 posted on 12/13/2011 10:01:14 AM PST by mamelukesabre (.)
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To: CaroleL

Newt’s my choice, but I could easily support Perry too. As long as Romney keeps sliding, I’m fine.


10 posted on 12/13/2011 10:07:51 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Liberalism: Ideas so good, they have to be mandatory!!)
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To: shield

Perry Ping


11 posted on 12/13/2011 10:08:42 AM PST by randita (If you supported Palin, there's no way you can support Newt. They don't agree on much.)
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To: Grunthor

I like Perry, but because he cannot explain himself well enough - obama would shread him in a debate. Sad.


12 posted on 12/13/2011 10:18:07 AM PST by PMAS
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To: Grunthor

Why do conservatives want to trade one big government socialist who is more poised to lose for re-election than Carter was in exchange for a statist nanny stater who engages in corporate welfare cronyism and demonstrates a soft heart for illegals? Perry? No thanks. Perry is no conservative no matter how many books are ghost written on his behalf or how many Perry spam posts are generated.


13 posted on 12/13/2011 10:21:56 AM PST by TADSLOS (Lexicon Genetics- Rick Perry's Solyndra Moment)
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To: CaroleL

This pollster, ARG, has a VERY uneven record for accuracy. Sometimes close, sometimes wildly off base.


14 posted on 12/13/2011 10:22:01 AM PST by freespirited
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To: CaroleL

I can’t believe people want to waste their vote on that Nut Case Ron Paul. The only thing he can succeed in doing is reelect Obama.


15 posted on 12/13/2011 10:22:46 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: randita; Cincinatus' Wife; RoosterRedux; jonrick46; deepbluesea; RockinRight; TexMom7; potlatch; ...
Perry Ping....

IF you'd rather NOT be pinged FReepmail me.

IF you'd like to be added FReepmail me. Thanks

16 posted on 12/13/2011 10:28:24 AM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: CaroleL

Even though this shows Romney dropping, he has to be pleased that the vote is beginning to split up among the other candidates. That is the only chance he as of winning.


17 posted on 12/13/2011 10:33:24 AM PST by pallis
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To: CaroleL
Perry Ground Game: An Old-Fashioned Bus Tour ....."Perry has scheduled nearly 50 events between Wednesday and Jan. 2. By the time the tour ends, he will have visited some 42 towns and cities."....
18 posted on 12/13/2011 10:43:58 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Grunthor
............"Rick Perry is, in my opinion, the best man for the job. Everything that I’m hearing to refute this idea boils down to the idea that he won’t win in a debate against Obama. Ok? This is how we choose leaders now? Whoever can totally argue like, the best and stuff?

Sorry. I’m not going to board the smooth talker express. I can promise you that if you put me on stage with Obama I’d rip him to smithereens in a debate. I also promise you that I’d be a terrible President. Merely expressing conservatism is not enough. You have to live it.

Rick Perry may not be the Newt Gingrich of presidential candidates, but, as silly as it may sound, I’m not interested in hiring a candidate. I’m interested in hiring a President. For me, that President is Rick Perry." Red State

19 posted on 12/13/2011 10:45:45 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: mamelukesabre

Oh, sorry. I mean’t the top three in the latest polling.


20 posted on 12/13/2011 10:56:14 AM PST by Grunthor (We dont LOVE Newt - heck we barely even like him. He's just the best of a rotten bunch)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Bravo !!!!!!!


21 posted on 12/13/2011 10:58:08 AM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: TADSLOS

Why do conservatives want to trade one big government socialist who is more poised to lose for re-election than Carter was in exchange for a statist nanny stater who engages in corporate welfare cronyism and demonstrates a soft heart for illegals?


Perry

Gingrich

Romney

Paul

Which one is the rock-ribbed conservative that we can trust and is not certifiably insane? Because those are the four that still stand a chance in hell of winning the nomination.

I’d really like your answer.


22 posted on 12/13/2011 11:02:55 AM PST by Grunthor (We dont LOVE Newt - heck we barely even like him. He's just the best of a rotten bunch)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“as silly as it may sound, I’m not interested in hiring a candidate. I’m interested in hiring a President. For me, that President is Rick Perry.”

You have to become the former in order to become the latter. Perry is, as his poll numbers show, a horrible candidate. Horrible candidates do not win nominations nor do they win elections.

I still feel however that Perry would make the best president, if not the best candidate of those running currently.


23 posted on 12/13/2011 11:06:51 AM PST by Grunthor (We dont LOVE Newt - heck we barely even like him. He's just the best of a rotten bunch)
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To: SQUID

“Perry is an idiot.”

Not true. He just sounds like one sometimes.


24 posted on 12/13/2011 11:08:02 AM PST by Grunthor (We dont LOVE Newt - heck we barely even like him. He's just the best of a rotten bunch)
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To: SQUID
Perry is an idiot.

Care to elaborate on that statement? Do you live here in Texas?
25 posted on 12/13/2011 11:15:03 AM PST by ForAmerica (Conservative Christian Black Man!)
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To: CaroleL

Perry is done.


26 posted on 12/13/2011 11:16:59 AM PST by Private_Sector_Does_It_Better (If you like the employees at the DMV, post office, SS office... you'll love government health care)
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To: SQUID

What a brilliant post. You should be proud.

You should call your grandchildren over to see it so they can be proud also.


27 posted on 12/13/2011 11:44:36 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: Grunthor

How many elections has Perry been in? How many has he won? How many has he lost? OH, yea, I think he’s never lost.


28 posted on 12/13/2011 11:57:25 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Given “Dubya” and now Perry.....maybe a politician doesn’t really have to sound competent to win an election in Texas.


29 posted on 12/13/2011 12:27:07 PM PST by Grunthor (We dont LOVE Newt - heck we barely even like him. He's just the best of a rotten bunch)
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To: PMAS; Grunthor
I like Perry, but because he cannot explain himself well enough - obama would shread him in a debate.

I don't think so. All Perry has to say is, "obama you have led this country into a ditch it's time to get out of the way."

The advantage Perry has in the debates is the expectations will be low so unless he falls apart he wins. I thought it was pretty impressive how he turned around the "oops" moment and made himself like able. The other thing to bear in mind is he has 10 yr history as Gov of TX and that state has done well during that period.

30 posted on 12/13/2011 12:35:13 PM PST by wmfights (PERRY 2012)
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To: CaroleL
13% support from likely caucus goers.

One more point and he'll have the percentage Alan Keyes got in 2000, which was good enough for one of the three proverbial "tickets to New Hampshire."

This time, that probably means fourth or fifth.

31 posted on 12/13/2011 12:35:20 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Signalman

Indeed, Newt has high unfavorables. He cannot attract swing voters and independents.

I am supporting Perry. I think he would make a better president AND can win the race.


32 posted on 12/13/2011 12:37:35 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: PMAS

Just our of curiousity, what evidence can you point to that demonstrates great debating skills on the part of the One occupying the Oval Office?


33 posted on 12/13/2011 12:42:13 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: mamelukesabre
huh? three? there’s four in that article.

He could only recall three of the four. Oops.

34 posted on 12/13/2011 12:43:10 PM PST by tnlibertarian (Things are so bad now, Kenyans are saying Obama was born in the USA.)
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To: BunnySlippers

Agree, Bunny and all the other Perry supporters here.

All Perry needs is a good enough bump to become a strong possiblity.

I think a lot of Newt supporters would really love an alternative.


35 posted on 12/13/2011 12:43:15 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: wmfights

“All Perry has to say is, “obama you have led this country into a ditch it’s time to get out of the way.”

The question is CAN HE say that without rhetorically stepping on his d**k?


36 posted on 12/13/2011 12:44:33 PM PST by Grunthor (We dont LOVE Newt - heck we barely even like him. He's just the best of a rotten bunch)
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To: altura

I would love an alternative. I really do not want to vote for Newt. I need a viable alternative to Romney. I’d love it if Perry were able to string together three or four debates in which he did NOT sound like an escapee from the monkee house....because he’d make a good President. He just has to prove that he’d make a good candidate as well.


37 posted on 12/13/2011 12:47:05 PM PST by Grunthor (We dont LOVE Newt - heck we barely even like him. He's just the best of a rotten bunch)
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To: Grunthor

Three or four debates?

He was very strong in the Iowa Thanksgiving forum on 11/19, good in the CNN debate on 11/22, good at the Huckabee forum on 12/3, and really strong in the ABC debate last Saturday.

That’s four in a row where he hardly sounded like “an escapee from the monkey house.”


38 posted on 12/13/2011 1:41:42 PM PST by LimberJim
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To: wmfights

Perry is my first choice, but come on, he really blew it in the debates.


39 posted on 12/13/2011 1:54:32 PM PST by PMAS
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To: AmericanVictory

He is not a great debater, he is a better salesman.


40 posted on 12/13/2011 1:56:55 PM PST by PMAS
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To: PMAS

If you are referring to the One it would be the case that this time around there are in fact some goods which those to whom he seeking to sell will be examining. As the old saying in places like North Carolina, which he thinks he can carry goes: “Fool me once shame on you; fool me twice shame on me.”


41 posted on 12/13/2011 2:13:45 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: Grunthor
“Of those three candidates, I believe that Perry would make the best President.

And the worst candidate”

I don't disagree. But who has the best chance to beat Obama?
Gingrich is obviously a gifted orator. The character issues are there.

Perry needs to drink more caffeine before debates or something. Not bothered by his immigration stuff. He is actually in the arena on the issue as Texas governor; having to deal with this in real life.
The others can all say things about immigration in theory; but Perry has had to deal with it in real life. So I will cut him some slack on the 2 stupid things he has said.

Perry has done a lot of good things in Texas. Really none of the other candidates has this kind of record.

Maybe he needs to watch “The Kings Speech” and get some help in that area!

42 posted on 12/13/2011 2:22:12 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: Grunthor
The question is CAN HE say that...

I think so.

Look at the viable alternative, Gingrich. He can be a mesmerizing speaker, but sometimes he doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut. He carries a lot of baggage because of his lifetime in politics and being on both sides of a variety of issues. Also, don't underestimate how his personal life will affect his support, especially among married women with children.

IOW, there is no perfect candidate. I'm sticking with Perry because his only weakness is in debates. On policy issues he is solid. His experience is solid. His life story is solid. His personal life is solid. I look at these things and see someone I can trust to try and do the right thing, not the politically expedient thing.

43 posted on 12/13/2011 3:03:31 PM PST by wmfights (PERRY 2012)
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To: PMAS
Perry is my first choice, but come on, he really blew it in the debates.

He's not the slickest debater, but if you listen to what he's saying you find he's right on the issues. I love his life story. I look at him and see someone I could do business with on a handshake. I don't see any other candidate I would feel comfortable doing business with that way.

44 posted on 12/13/2011 3:08:46 PM PST by wmfights (PERRY 2012)
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To: wmfights

I agree, he is right on the issues - but he needs to convey his message much better.
Of course it didn’t help that Michelle Bachman and Myth Romney attacked him viciously right out of the gate.


45 posted on 12/13/2011 4:15:26 PM PST by PMAS
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To: Grunthor

Well, it seems you have a decision to make.

I’m not gonna tell you that Perry will ever be the glib, fast talker that Newt is, and if you think he sounded like an escapee from the monkee house in the last two debates (most people don’t), then he’s probably not for you.


46 posted on 12/13/2011 4:39:34 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: Grunthor
I’d love it if Perry were able to string together three or four debates in which he did NOT sound like an escapee from the monkee house...

He has.

Have you seen the last three or four?

47 posted on 12/13/2011 4:41:19 PM PST by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Allegra; altura

“Have you seen the last three or four?”

I’ve caught parts of the last two and he did seem.....more sure of himself. I’ve been very busy lately getting my (soon to be born) son’s nursery ready for him.

I will maintain that Perry would likely be a better POTUS than anyone else running. If he comes sneaking up and takes a second in Iowa? Maybe parlays that into a 2nd or 3rd in New Hampshire.....he could get some real momentum.

I hope he does. Otherwise I’m going to have to vote for a slimy snake in the grass or a liberal.....but I repeat myself.


48 posted on 12/13/2011 4:49:11 PM PST by Grunthor (We dont LOVE Newt - heck we barely even like him. He's just the best of a rotten bunch)
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To: Grunthor
I’ve been very busy lately getting my (soon to be born) son’s nursery ready for him.

Wonderful news! Your first?

49 posted on 12/13/2011 5:19:22 PM PST by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Allegra

Well my first son. I am 42, wife is 40....we have girls 16, 19 and 22. Little Zachary will be our first boy and hopefully our last child....unless God sees fit to bless us again.


50 posted on 12/13/2011 5:36:18 PM PST by Grunthor (We dont LOVE Newt - heck we barely even like him. He's just the best of a rotten bunch)
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