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Cheney: Why didnít Obama just destroy the drone when he had the chance?
Hot Air ^ | December 13, 2011 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 12/13/2011 12:50:43 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

That’s a good question — and according to former VP Dick Cheney’s contacts, Barack Obama didn’t lack for options to keep the highly-classified drone from falling into the Iranian military’s hands. In an interview with CNN’s Erin Burnett, Cheney wonders why Obama didn’t order an air strike on the downed aircraft while he still had the chance:

(VIDEO AT LINK)

“The right response to that would have been to go in immediately after it had gone down and destroy it,” he said on CNN’s “Out Front with Erin Burnett.” Instead, Cheney said, “he asked nicely for them to return it. They aren’t gonna do that. … Or, they’ll send it back to us in pieces after they’ve gotten all the intelligence out of it they can.” …

Cheney, who served with former President George W. Bush from 2001 to 2009, said he “was told the president had three options on his desk and he rejected all of them.” The options all involved destroying the drone on the ground.

“You can do that from the air,” he said. “And, in effect, make it impossible for them to benefit from having captured that drone.”

Iran doesn’t seem inclined to even return the pieces. Their defense minister has declared the drone “Iran’s property,” and says they won’t return it to the US — a not-unexpected answer, given the fact that we were using it to spy on them. Thanks to Obama’s decision to leave the drone intact for the Iranians to seize, there’s little point in denying that fact.

What will the Iranians do with it? State-run TV in Iran announced that the military plans to reverse engineer it and “mass produce” their own spy drones. Wired finds that unlikely, even if the Russians and Chinese pitch in to help for their own commercial purposes:

In other words, the Russian, Chinese and Iranian experts will probably try to figure out the “recipe” for the RQ-170′s alloys and non-metal composites, which help minimize the drone’s radar signature, as does its bat-like shape. And that’s where reverse-engineering starts to get complicated. “Someone will figure out the [materials'] composition,” the Boeing engineer explains, “but producing them is entirely a different matter.”

For the drone vivisectionists, it only gets worse. After examining the (alleged) RQ-170′s airframe, they will likely focus on its sensors. We don’t know for sure what devices the Sentinel carries, but it could include video cameras and a ground-mapping radar. The Darpa robot designer says the RQ-170′s radar — if it carries one — could share subsystems with the radars on the latest F-22 and F-35 stealth fighters, which might give U.S. adversaries some insight into how those planes operate, too.

But the designer isn’t too worried. “Even if [the radar] showed up completely intact, they may not know how to use it because they don’t know how to use the software.” Moreover, the software includes classified anti-tamper measures. At least, it’s supposed to, according to the Boeing engineer. “Dumbest thing in the world if it didn’t.”

Well, perhaps we have nothing to worry about — or perhaps the two nations with the most expertise in copying American military systems will find a way to duplicate that success with the RQ-170. If so, we have given away a significant strategic and tactical advantage, apparently because the Commander in Chief refused to pull the trigger to safeguard its secrets.


TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: cheney; china; congressasleep; drone; iran; irandrone; nationalsecurityfail; obama; obama457states; obama4iran; treason; typicaldnctreason; typicalobamatreason
What more evidence do we need that he is not on our side?
1 posted on 12/13/2011 12:50:55 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Exactly. As I said this act by itself is enough to disqualify Obama from the Presidency.


2 posted on 12/13/2011 12:52:55 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
That would have been anti-islamic. barry doesn´t play that. I think he wanted to give it to them.
3 posted on 12/13/2011 12:53:45 PM PST by onedoug (lf)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“Cheney: Why didn’t Obama just destroy the drone when he had the chance?”

Only two possible answers:

1.) Too stupid to think of something so logical
2.) The drone was meant to be right where it is now

4 posted on 12/13/2011 12:53:45 PM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

add this to the OBL copter....


5 posted on 12/13/2011 12:54:05 PM PST by himno hero (Obamas theme...Death to America...The crusaders will pay!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You are presuming Zero has a backbone.

He would have run and hidden if he could. He has the same maturity as a grade school kid who sent a baseball through the neighbor’s window.


6 posted on 12/13/2011 12:56:26 PM PST by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Because he wanted to give his Islamist Brothers a holiday gift.He just forgot the ribbon.


7 posted on 12/13/2011 12:56:53 PM PST by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: Hodar

Ha! That’s funny. My brother broke a neighbor’s window with a baseball and ran around bragging to the whole neighborhood


8 posted on 12/13/2011 12:57:36 PM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

9 posted on 12/13/2011 1:01:14 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Dick Cheney...The Shadow Knows...


10 posted on 12/13/2011 1:01:35 PM PST by jessduntno (The Republican elite hates him, Rove hates him, Boehner hates him, liberals hate him. It's Newt!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I just hope the eventual nominee has the b***s to use this as a campaign issue against King Barry (p*** be upon him).


11 posted on 12/13/2011 1:02:13 PM PST by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Don’t worry, Barry asked the Iranians to give it back. Problem solved.


12 posted on 12/13/2011 1:02:39 PM PST by Hugin ("Most time a man'll tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear"--Open Range)
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To: jessduntno

I’d like to know why Cheney didn’t pop the kenyan in the nose when he had the chance?! Looked ready to.


13 posted on 12/13/2011 1:03:41 PM PST by albie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

For the same reason on his very first day in office he tried to close down Gitmo and why he wants the biggest mass murderer in US history, Khalid Sheik Mohamed, tried as a US Citizen with full Constitutional rights so he can be aquitted. Oh yes-Then assisting Libya overthrow Khaddafi so it can go 100% Islamo-Nazi and suing Arizona for enforcing it’s immigration laws, and oh yes; Immediately overturning Don’t ask don’t tell when it was found out a homoseuxal was resposible for the biggest military security breach in US history. And Cheney is asking WHY our first foreign born first Islamic President didn’t destroy the drone?


14 posted on 12/13/2011 1:04:27 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Nancy Pelosi - The #1 reason why we need a Constitutional amendment for Congressional drug testing.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

For the same reason on his very first day in office he tried to close down Gitmo and why he wants the biggest mass murderer in US history, Khalid Sheik Mohamed, tried as a US Citizen with full Constitutional rights so he can be aquitted. Oh yes-Then assisting Libya overthrow Khaddafi so it can go 100% Islamo-Nazi and suing Arizona for enforcing it’s immigration laws, and oh yes; Immediately overturning Don’t ask don’t tell when it was found out a homoseuxal was resposible for the biggest military security breach in US history. And Cheney is asking WHY our first foreign born first Islamic President didn’t destroy the drone?


15 posted on 12/13/2011 1:04:50 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Nancy Pelosi - The #1 reason why we need a Constitutional amendment for Congressional drug testing.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The big question.


16 posted on 12/13/2011 1:05:17 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: albie

“I’d like to know why Cheney didn’t pop the kenyan in the nose when he had the chance?! Looked ready to.”

Yep. He hated just looking at that jug eared son of a bitch.


17 posted on 12/13/2011 1:06:23 PM PST by jessduntno (The Republican elite hates him, Rove hates him, Boehner hates him, liberals hate him. It's Newt!)
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To: jessduntno
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18 posted on 12/13/2011 1:11:52 PM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why dont you all leave the undocumented Impostor alone
on this?

He was playing golf and fundraising.

Maybe he even had to work with Holder to have the
DOJ “remove” a few witnesses, here and there.


19 posted on 12/13/2011 1:11:59 PM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: albie
I’d like to know why Cheney didn’t pop the kenyan in the nose

He just did...

20 posted on 12/13/2011 1:15:13 PM PST by mwilli20 (BO. Making communists proud all over the world.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Three options and 0bungles chooses to vote 'present.'

He is an epic fail of a human being.

21 posted on 12/13/2011 1:16:05 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Hodar
It took him 16 hours to make up his mind to give the order to kill Bin Laden--Reagan, George W. Bush, Truman, or either Roosevelt would have given the order within 16 seconds.

Either he was paralyzed with indecision...or he wanted the Iranians to have the drone intact.

22 posted on 12/13/2011 1:16:05 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: jessduntno

^5


23 posted on 12/13/2011 1:16:54 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Why didn’t Obama just destroy the drone when he had the chance?

Because then China wouldn't have funneled the agreed upon amount of money into his 2012 campaign coffers. The agreement was specifically for a fully intact drone...

24 posted on 12/13/2011 1:18:57 PM PST by apillar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

25 posted on 12/13/2011 1:20:01 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Not to defend Obama if this article is true. But personally, I need a little more evidence that the destruction of the drone either before or after the landing was feasible. Design-wise I'm sure that in-the-air destruction was built in and with backup systems to make sure they could do it with very high reliability. But Murphy's Law sometime comes into play.

A couple of other things: One, the idea that Iran took control of this vehicle is simply nonsensical. The links may be jammable with enough power but the control signals would be highly encrypted and even with Russian help the Iranians could not control that aircraft. And they didn't shoot it down or it wouldn't still be in one piece. So it simply failed.

And the prospects for a successful Special Ops move on the downed drone seem problematic to me. Big disadvantage for the good guys in that kind of an operation. I doubt if the Generals would have recommended it.

Bottom line: Destroy in the air. If Obama could have and didn't that is treason pure and simple.

26 posted on 12/13/2011 1:22:36 PM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He had the choice of making a military decision or a political decision. A military decision would have been like take bin Laden out. He could have told the military to blow up the drone, which I’m sure the military presented to him. Instead of the military decision he made a political decision. Do nothing and hope for the best. He may have been worried that the military attack could have been interpreted as an attack on Iran. If Iran were to shoot down a drone, if they had one, over US territory we would do the same and call it an attack on the US.
Now Iran has threatened to block the Strait of Hormus. My guess is Obama will make another political decision and do nothing. Prepare for higher gas prices and emboldened Iranian actions.


27 posted on 12/13/2011 1:23:46 PM PST by Harley (Will Rogers never met Harry Reid.)
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To: Fresh Wind

The Establishment Republican line is that you can’t attack Obama because of the precious Independents. I think Perry might have the guts..Bachmann would...and Paul would call out Obama in his own crazy way. The rest of the field I’m not so sure of......


28 posted on 12/13/2011 1:24:24 PM PST by jakerobins
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The military should have destroyed it and then apologized to zero.


29 posted on 12/13/2011 1:26:57 PM PST by killermosquito (Buffalo, Detroit (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: Parley Baer

At least since Nov. 2010 - I believe literally EVERYTHING Obama does is a domestic political calculation. Not economic, not moral, not national interest - nothing except political calculations.


30 posted on 12/13/2011 1:27:20 PM PST by PGR88
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To: InterceptPoint

He was given three options by the Department of Defense to destroy it from the air or take it back, IIRC. He voted “present” and did nothing. Google it.


31 posted on 12/13/2011 1:29:19 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Cheney: "Why didn’t Obama just destroy the drone when he had the chance?"

CNN’s Erin Burnett: "But then the Iranians would be mad at us Mr. Cheney!"

32 posted on 12/13/2011 1:31:05 PM PST by TexasCajun (Fast & Furious , Solyndra & Light Squared would be enough to impeach any White President !!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Boy Zero only does things that will DAMAGE this fine country.
My question is why wont the people that have sworn the OATH have not intervened harshly
33 posted on 12/13/2011 1:31:16 PM PST by Tigen (I shall raise you one .)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He was given three options by the Department of Defense to destroy it from the air or take it back, IIRC. He voted “present” and did nothing. Google it.

I read that. I know that. It is the credibility of the sources that I'm questioning. Too busy right now to do a deep Google search but I will later.

34 posted on 12/13/2011 1:32:36 PM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Isn’t this obvious? After the weekly Obama-Carter economic meeting, Jimmy offered Obama advice based on “real-world” experience. “Leave it in the Iranians’ hands”, said Carter, “there are too many things that can go wrong when using the military.”

Drone held Hostage ... Day #5.


35 posted on 12/13/2011 1:36:38 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (Maxine, I'll see you there. I'm not changing my ways.)
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To: InterceptPoint

This whole regime is incredible, so who can you believe? Whenever I hear a Democrat or country club Republican state something, I almost assume the opposite out of hand.


36 posted on 12/13/2011 1:38:52 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Cheney wonders why Obama didn't order an air strike on the downed aircraft while he still had the chance:

it's not too late to destroy the drone, it will just take a bigger bomb

37 posted on 12/13/2011 1:45:51 PM PST by drypowder
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s real simple Mr. Cheney, Obama is giving it to the Iranians so they can make copies as well as cause havoc with our remaining drones.
It’s called treason Mr. Cheney, which is what the Dems are best at.


38 posted on 12/13/2011 1:52:59 PM PST by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: InterceptPoint
Design-wise I'm sure that in-the-air destruction was built in and with backup systems to make sure they could do it with very high reliability.

That was not one of the three options.

Obama Rejected Numerous Proposals to Retrieve Lost U.S. Drone: Officials Confirm Authenticity of Iranian TV Images Showing Drone

Among the options the U.S. considered were sending in a special-ops team to retrieve the drone; sending in a team to blow up the aircraft; and launching an airstrike to destroy it.

It is not likely that there are self-destruct mechanisms on our drones precisely because of Murphy's Law. They could put in a system to fry the electronics but that just makes one more system to go wrong and drop a drone where they don't want it. It doesn't destroy the composites the airframe are made of either and that's one of its secrets.

It is even less likely that they would rig it with high explosives to totally destroy it. That would make it dangerous for our ground crews to work with. It would also add significant weight to a vehicle that they have done everything possible to make as light as possible.

39 posted on 12/13/2011 2:00:59 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: InterceptPoint
I listened to an interview today with retired General McInerney. If you''re not familiar with him, here's his profile:

General McInerney is the founder of Government Reform Through Technology, a consulting firm that works with high-tech companies. GRTT conducts business with federal, state, city and local governments to help them introduce advanced technology into the public sector.

Prior to this, he was the CEO and the president of Business Executives for National Security, a national, nonpartisan organization of business and professional leaders.

For 35 years, General McInerney served as a pilot, commander, and strategic planner in the U.S. Air Force.

He retired from military service as Assistant Vice Chief of Staff of the Air Force and Director of the Defense Performance Review, reporting to the secretary of defense. He led the Pentagon's Reinventing Government effort, visiting more than 100 leading-edge commercial companies to assimilate their ideas about business re-engineering.

General McInerney graduated from the United States Military Academy and earned a master's degree in international relations from George Washington University. He also attended the Armed Forces Staff College and National War College.

He stated that the drone landed on a runway inside Iran, and that he suspected that, somehow, control of the drone was hijacked. That's pretty hard to imagine.

My opinion is that we should have done everything possible to destroy this thing, even if we had to bomb it on the ground. The Chief Executive was afraid to do this, fearing it would be construed an act of war. I agree with the poster who said we need a President who has a pair..

40 posted on 12/13/2011 2:02:52 PM PST by slouch-no-more
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Isn’t it just simply astounding that it would be highly unlikely given Obama’s shady connections as well as his failure to provide a long form birth certificate wouldn’t even qualify for even a modest security clearance much less “top secret”.


41 posted on 12/13/2011 2:04:40 PM PST by diverteach (If I find liberals in heaven after my death.....I WILL BE PISSED!!!)
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To: SMARTY
1.) Too stupid to think of something so logical

Where are the military advisers? I have a hard time believing they would go along with this.

42 posted on 12/13/2011 2:21:45 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hopefully it shares the same batteries as the Volt...scheduled to catch fire in a few days.


43 posted on 12/13/2011 2:34:50 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

that picture is going to make history books discussing his election.


44 posted on 12/13/2011 2:43:02 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: slouch-no-more

\”He stated that the drone landed on a runway inside Iran, and that he suspected that, somehow, control of the drone was hijacked. That’s pretty hard to imagine. “

http://www.zdnet.co.uk/blogs/mapping-babel-10017967/keylogger-virus-hits-us-drone-operations-10024516/

still hard to imagine, but not as hard maybe.


45 posted on 12/13/2011 2:48:37 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I think the drone was given to the Iranians. There are two reasons that could be the case.Either Obama wants to help out his coreligionists in their war against the Infidel or it could be a case of giving them a fake piece of equipment, one that has something we want them to have that will mess up their tech or severely mislead them about our tech. It would not be the first time this has been done. Arguably the "loss" of the Pueblo to the Norks was such an operation. With the capture of that ship the Norks got a code machine that the Russians thought they needed. Such machines should have been usable by anyone to send undecipherable messages (in that era).
We had not been breaking out the soviet codes very well at all. A year or so after the Pueblo we were reading everything they had. That code machine seems to have been rigged to be slightly other than random. Under Reagan we allowed the Soviets to think they had stolen embargoed software and computer equipment that they needed badly for their arms and gas pipeline projects. It caused them to spend all their money running down blind alleys.
46 posted on 12/13/2011 5:39:42 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: arthurus

Shush!


47 posted on 12/13/2011 5:42:01 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: slouch-no-more
General McInerney is an unimpeachable source. No doubt about that.

But ...

There is no way that the Iranians got control of that aircraft with its encrypted control links. No way.

And ...

I'm a bit surprised that McInerney would hand out the additional info on the landing at an Iranian airfield. Knowing McInerney's background he would never divulge that info if he knew it was classified, which IMHO it would be. So his source or sources are presumably passing out information that has escaped the security controls and is fairly widely known, at least within the military.

This still just doesn't add up for me and that is certainly not a criticism of the General. No question that he is trustworthy on this issue. He will do the right thing.

48 posted on 12/13/2011 6:02:58 PM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: Michael Barnes

THAT’S why the whole thing stinks


49 posted on 12/14/2011 4:12:56 AM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama the punk POTUS reminds me more every day of Carter. Both lose aircraft in Iran.


50 posted on 12/14/2011 4:15:33 AM PST by catfish1957 (Save a Pretzel for the Gas Jets!!!)
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