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1 posted on 12/16/2011 10:18:46 AM PST by mnehring
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Michelle Bachman pretty much called Ron Paul an imbecile last night.


2 posted on 12/16/2011 10:22:25 AM PST by varmintman
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The Founding Fathers rejected anarchy because they knew that in the long run it would evolve into gang warfare and a form of statism of gang rule.The Founding Fathers were seeking a golden mean of freedom between big government statism and anarchy.


3 posted on 12/16/2011 10:28:01 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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The only good Paul does is to expose the “high level” nut bars that support him. That way we can keep track of them...:)


4 posted on 12/16/2011 10:28:52 AM PST by Leep
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But dead Jews are apparently not something that concerns you much.

Along with dead Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, etc. (Of course Stalin was doing a good job with those races as well), and in the end without our intervention, most likely we would have been dealing with either an All-Nazi Europe, or an All-Red Europe, neither of which would have been good.

5 posted on 12/16/2011 10:32:29 AM PST by dfwgator
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When Hannity tried to interview him after the debate, all he did was dodge and weave. I tried to listen to his views with an open mind, but they just crashed and burned for me...


6 posted on 12/16/2011 10:33:34 AM PST by Dubh_Ghlase (Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee.)
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Last night's debate was a clear and unobstructed view of the cartoon character that is Paul.

Is it just me,or does anyone else notice how animated he gets when the words "Iran", "foreign policy" or "defense spending" are even whispered in his presence?
He goes from fairly calm (for him) demeanor to agitated chihuahua in 0.0 seconds flat.
Code Pink likes him. That should be a gargantuan red flag right there for anyone who thinks we might be better off with him.
12 posted on 12/16/2011 10:47:08 AM PST by gimme1ibertee ("Criticism......brings attention to an unhealthy state of things"-Winston Churchill)
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You accidentally omitted the article's first point:
1. Governor Mitt Romney and Rep. Michele Bachmann are the most conservative candidates in the race.

14 posted on 12/16/2011 10:51:07 AM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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OK, we all know you don't like Ron Paul, but if you are going to argue against him based on the ideas of others you owe it to all of us to actually present the ideas of others, like Rothbard, truthfully.

As the article you cited to notes, "Murray Rothbard used the term anarcho-capitalism to distinguish his philosophy from anarchism that opposes private property,[21] as well as to distinguish it from other forms of individualist anarchism."

Rothbard's theoretical analysis of the role of the state in fact supports many fundamental concepts of conservatism. For example, as the article you cited notes:

"Anarcho-capitalists see free-market capitalism as the basis for a free and prosperous society. Murray Rothbard said that the difference between free-market capitalism and "state capitalism" is the difference between "peaceful, voluntary exchange" and a collusive partnership between business and government that uses coercion to subvert the free market.[13] "Capitalism," as anarcho-capitalists employ the term, is not to be confused with state monopoly capitalism, crony capitalism, corporatism, or contemporary mixed economies, wherein market incentives and disincentives may be altered by state action.[14] So they reject the state, based on the belief that states are aggressive entities which steal property (through taxation and expropriation), initiate aggression, are a compulsory monopoly on the use of force, use their coercive powers to benefit some businesses and individuals at the expense of others, create monopolies, restrict trade, and restrict personal freedoms via drug laws, compulsory education, conscription, laws on food and morality, and the like."

In large part isn't that what conservatives believe in? Or don't you really believe in free markets, less taxes, private property, and the fact that people own themselves, and aren't the property of the state?

16 posted on 12/16/2011 11:12:49 AM PST by freeandfreezing
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He’d be a good choice for appointment to some position where he can effectively push his government-cutting ideas (which are good) but has no bearing on national defense.


18 posted on 12/16/2011 11:20:29 AM PST by Burkean Buckleyite
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I am not an antisemite, but I am an isolationist. I fervently believe that the Spanish-American War was the greatest U.S. foreign policy blunder in our history. The Civil War was unnecessary and led to a thousand worse ills than secession. (And I do oppose slavery, but the Civil War was the least good way to end it.)

If that meddling fool, Wilson, had not gotten us involved in the Great War, there would have been no Hitler, no Treaty of Versailles, no betrayal of promises Wilson made to Germany, and the Europeans would have had to learn to settle their differences among themselves.

22 posted on 12/16/2011 11:47:20 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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Ron Paul opposed the landmark 2010 McDonald v Chicago gun rights decision. And he supported the Kelo decision.

In both those cases he agreed with the liberals on the supreme court. Any case where the SCOTUS enforces the Bill of Rights on the states, Paul opposes it. Because Ron Paul doesn’t believe in “incorporation of the Bill of
Rights”.

Paul on incorporation and the 1st Amend:

“The phony “incorporation” doctrine, dreamed up by activist judges to pervert the plain meaning of the Constitution, was used once again by a federal court to assume jurisdiction over a case that constitutionally
was none of its business.”

http://ronpaulquotes.com/Texas_Straight_Talk/tst070102.html

Re the McDonald decision and 2nd Amend:

“Congressman Paul’s DC office said he didn’t sign the brief because he believes that it interferes with state’s rights, whose policies shouldn’t be dictated by the federal government.”

http://lonelymachines.org/2009/12/07/still-a-ron-paul-fan/

On the 5th Amend regarding the Kelo decision:

“If anything, the Supreme Court should have refused to hear the Kelo case on the grounds that the 5th amendment does not apply to states. If constitutional purists hope to maintain credibility, we must reject the phony incorporation doctrine in all cases...”

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul259.html


23 posted on 12/16/2011 11:50:43 AM PST by OmegaMan
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The Old Right believed a nation should enter into war when it's own interest was in danger, not for other nations.

That was the view of George Washington.

Since 1945 we have not had one declared war and yet have been fighting all over the place with nothing to show for defending US interests.

28 posted on 12/16/2011 12:03:47 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Burke)
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Paul basically slanders our troops and military when he claims we bomb innocent civilians. Rothbard was a good economist, but, yes, was another hate America firster.
30 posted on 12/16/2011 12:41:18 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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46 posted on 12/17/2011 3:53:27 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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