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Video: Donald Trump Takes On Fox News' The Five Over Obama's Birth Certificate
BirtherReport.com ^ | December 16, 2011 | Trump interview

Posted on 12/17/2011 9:58:17 PM PST by Seizethecarp

Gutfeld: So, um, do you feel that you have settled that question about the origins of, ah, ah, President Obama's birth certificate?

Trump: Well, yeah, look, look, very simple, and you know I was on Barbara Walters yesterday she asked the question. Unfortunately, she cut the hell out of my answer and left like the last three words and people don't know what it, what it meant. Although I was honored to be on, but, you know, she cut that in, but she asked the same thing. Look, his mother, to the best of everybodies knowledge, was never in that hospital. OK. The document may have been tampered with according to many, many people. OK. You've got grandmothers and you have people in his family who say he wasn't born in this country. OK. Forgetting all of that, do I think he was born here? I have no Idea. I personally cannot say one way or the other. You know that the mother, there are no records. There are no records that the mother was ever in the hospital. With all of that being said, folks, I'd rather focus on the economy and jobs and how to get the country back. But, ah, If you ask me was he born (here?) I really can't tell you.


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KEYWORDS: attentionwhore; certifigate; naturalborncitizen; obama; trump
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Apparently Trump was on "The View" and attempted to read his same apparent script transcribed above by me, but Walters edited out all of his claims except the last few words.

By what seems to be prearrangement, Trump appears to have asked to be given the chance to get his full statement on the air without editing. I say prearrangement because the statement is a very political, lawyerly statement full of contradictions which allow Trump the straddle the issue.

On the one hand had he claims with near certainty that Obama's mom was never in the Kapiolani hospital, but on the other had he says, "Forgetting all of that, do I think he was born here? I have no Idea."

Also indicating prearrangement are the smirking, squirming looks on the faces of all of The Five, especially Perino, who is on Rove's Birther Suppression Team. They all seem to know what Trump is going to unload and can barely contain themselves. Greg makes numerous attempts to interrupt and talk over The Donald, but Trump plows on seeming to be reading his script and wanting to make sure he finishes all of his disclaimers before the segment gets finished or cut off.

1 posted on 12/17/2011 9:58:23 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: LucyT; Red Steel; circumbendibus; Fractal Trader; WhizCodger; GregNH
ping...to Trump being allowed by Ailes and Murdock to punch through the Fox News blockade against allowing on air claims that Obama’s HI BC may have been forged and Obama might not have been born in the USA...but couched by Trump in disingenuous disclaimers.
2 posted on 12/17/2011 10:03:28 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp
Obama Birth Certificate Faked In Adobe Illustrator - Official Proof 1 ( Layers ) (8 minutes)
3 posted on 12/17/2011 10:05:24 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Seizethecarp
This came right after Holder dropped the hammer on Arpaio. Maybe Fox News is allowing Trump to “prep” the Fox audience for the impending Arpaio posse revelations coming up in February?

Kind of let Trump lay it all out there loaded with self-protecting disclaimers obviously drafted by Trump's lawyer?

4 posted on 12/17/2011 10:07:10 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

Forget this “birther” issue. The more appropriate question is whether Obama’s parents were both US citizens at the time of his birth and the indisputable answer is no. Therefore, Obama does not meet the constitutional qualification of a “natural born citizen” Now it’s up to the RNC to make the case to some red states to enact legislation requiring proof of “natural born citizenship” as defined above before they can be placed on a state or federal ballot. If Obama challenges this, then let’s see how the courts handle this.


5 posted on 12/17/2011 10:10:49 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Seizethecarp
Being a billionaire must not be all it's cracked up to be if this is the best DT can do with his time.
6 posted on 12/17/2011 10:19:20 PM PST by MichaelCorleone (Stop feeding the beast; if they don't say "Merry Christmas", don't buy.)
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To: Steelfish
Therefore, Obama does not meet the constitutional qualification of a “natural born citizen”

When was he naturalized?

7 posted on 12/17/2011 10:29:15 PM PST by douginthearmy (Leaning Newt)
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To: Seizethecarp
I think what's very telling is far nobody has come forward yet (as far as I know) to say they remember when the Marxist was born. I'm the same exact age as the Noob, born November 11th 1961 in Flushing Queens New york city and there are a lot of people who can verify that who are NOT related to me, old neighbors some of whom my mother still keeps in touch with now and again even though we moved years ago.

You would think with all this hubbub over his BC and being that he is POTUS at least SOMEBODY would come forward and say "Oh I remember when she came back from the hospital with the little Demon" but nooooo. Not even a peep. Herman Cain merely runs for POTUS and they can find every last woman on earth he flirted with from the past umpteen years but not ONE person who remembers when the Noob was spawned or even when he was growing up or even his teachers in school saying such things as "Oh I remember the little Marxist Demon quite well in my 1st Grade class. He would shake down little Joey Moskowitz for his lunch money and redistribute it to the other kids" but nooooo we never hear anything even remotely lke that. . WTF is THAT? Have I missed hearing about these people?

8 posted on 12/17/2011 10:43:33 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Nancy Pelosi - The #1 reason why we need a Constitutional amendment for Congressional drug testing.)
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To: All

The Five asked Donald Trump if he would like to be added to their panel and be the sixth guy on the show. He said he would absolutely love it.


9 posted on 12/17/2011 10:45:35 PM PST by sheikdetailfeather ("Kick The Communists Out Of Your Govt. And Don't Accept Their Goodies"-Yuri Bezmenov-KGB Defector)
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To: Seizethecarp

Again?


10 posted on 12/17/2011 10:46:52 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: douginthearmy

“Natural Born” citizen and naturalized are two different things. “Natural Born Citizen” is a qualification to be president. It is not defined in the constitution. But the Framers understood this term to mean that both parents must be citizens at the time of the candidates birth.


11 posted on 12/17/2011 10:59:27 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: douginthearmy

http://www.obamanotqualified.com/obama_is_not_a_natural_born_citizen_defined.htm


12 posted on 12/17/2011 11:01:15 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish
“The more appropriate question is whether Obama’s parents were both US citizens at the time of his birth and the indisputable answer is no.”

For me Obama’s parenthood is not “indisputable” due to his apparently forged HI LFBC and failure to legally release HI to in turn legally release the original or certified copies directly to any other independent judicial discovery or investigative experts.

With only a forged BC in evidence I do not know who his father or mother are OR where he was born. Therefore I do not know whether Obama satisfies either of the TWO constitutional requirements of having been born in country to citizen parents as HELD in Minor v. Happersett.

13 posted on 12/17/2011 11:05:58 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: Steelfish

The question of ‘constitutional eligibility’ is as nebulous (read a number of FR posts) as the question of his ‘birth certificate’. One should be validated as much as the other. The entire aura of Obama’s being needs to be exposed or made transparent if a politically correct term is to be used.


14 posted on 12/17/2011 11:07:25 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: Steelfish

The question of ‘constitutional eligibility’ is as nebulous (read a number of FR posts) as the question of his ‘birth certificate’. One should be validated as much as the other. The entire aura of Obama’s being needs to be exposed or made transparent if a politically correct term is to be used.


15 posted on 12/17/2011 11:08:03 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: douginthearmy

The term “naturalized” has been assumed by most, including you apparently, to mean that a person born of a foreign allegiance may by disavowal of that allegiance and a swearing of allegiance to the United States, and by meeting certain specified requirements become a citizen of the United States.

More broadly, the term “naturalized” can refer to ANY type of citizenship conferred by statute, including any type of citizenship at birth that is not “natural born”, i.e. NOT deriving from the operation of natural law, but by the operation of a statute.

Natural born citizenship is a citizenship that precedes the State and is superior to it. It is a type of citizenship that can not be revoked by the State since the State did not confer it in the first place.

Obama is not this type of citizen. He is a citizen (if he is one at all) by operation of the Naturalization Act. He is not a Natural Born Citizen.


16 posted on 12/17/2011 11:30:08 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2016211/posts

http://theobamafile.com/_family/ObamaDunhamMarriage.htm


17 posted on 12/17/2011 11:34:17 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: douginthearmy

According to a speech Gov. Richardson of New Mexico gave in 2008 (in Spanish), Obama is an immigrant.

According to Neil Sankey, a private investigator, Obama attended Occidental College as a foreign student as he had a federally funded scholarship for foreign students. If he did naturalize it would likely have been after leaving Occidental.


18 posted on 12/17/2011 11:36:55 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

You think that when mother, Stanley Ann was in that boarding house in Seattle with the newly born, Barack (or whatever his name was then), that she would have boasted about having the baby, what hospital she had the baby and how hard it was to fly all the way over to Seattle so she could go to the University of Washington. You would think that somebody in that boarding house would have talked to Stanley Ann about all kinds of things and remembered something about it. You would think that those in that boarding house would have boasted publically about seeing Barack Obama as a baby and would have told as much as they could remember about mom and baby. Finally, they would have told about why the father was not with them because in that day, a missing father was a big deal and moms in that day were anxious to tell what happened to the father.

It is these questions that cause me to call Barack “Zer0.” It is a good name for him because we have absolutely zero information about his past.

If I was a private detective, I would love to find out the missing information about Zer0’s past. I would leave no stone uncovered. Then I would publish all I got in a book. Too bad people have missed out on this golden opportunity.


19 posted on 12/17/2011 11:37:30 PM PST by jonrick46 (2012 can't come soon enough.)
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To: Steelfish
But the Framers understood this term to mean that both parents must be citizens at the time of the candidates birth.

Yes, the Framers and 17 guys on the internet. I have seen all this before too many times to count. I'll take Mark Levin's word over mysterious internet constitutional expert.

20 posted on 12/17/2011 11:38:06 PM PST by douginthearmy (Leaning Newt)
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To: Steelfish
“Forget this “birther” issue.”

NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO,

The fact that the president has provided a FORGED birth certificate is of no consequence to you? Why would a Natural Born Citizen even HAVE a FORGED birth certificate, eh?

While I agree that his father not being a citizen Should disqualify him, but SCOTUS can decide whatever they want on that.

21 posted on 12/17/2011 11:59:27 PM PST by faucetman
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To: Seizethecarp

“With only a forged BC in evidence I do not know who his father or mother are OR where he was born. Therefore I do not know whether Obama satisfies either of the TWO constitutional requirements of having been born in country to citizen parents as HELD in Minor v. Happersett.”

DING, DING, DING!

We have a winner!


22 posted on 12/18/2011 12:02:47 AM PST by faucetman
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To: douginthearmy
Yes, the Framers and 17 guys on the internet. I have seen all this before too many times to count. I'll take Mark Levin's word over mysterious internet constitutional expert.

I'll bet that I have researched more about this than Mark (Big Mouth) Levin has. He isn't the best authority on this issue. He just thinks he knows everything. I think he's just a BLOWHARD, as many others do, per his low ratings.

23 posted on 12/18/2011 12:06:49 AM PST by faucetman
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To: douginthearmy

The Supreme Court has no problem understanding. It acknowledged three ways that one could be considered a citizen at birth ... A) by virtue of being born in the country to citizen parents, B) by being born in the country without reference to the citizenship of the parents (which it qualified as being with doubts that must be resolved), and C) by being born abroad to a citizen father via the Naturalization Act of 1790. Only ONE of these types of birth citizenship was characterized by the court as natural-born citizens per Article II. Guess which one that was.


24 posted on 12/18/2011 12:58:49 AM PST by edge919
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To: edge919
....anyway ..at least 2 states have in the past prevented people registering for the presidential race....

one was because the guy was too young

the other had a name Mohammad somebody and his parents were not US citizens...

both cases were discussed here in FR ...but I didn't bookmark them.

25 posted on 12/18/2011 1:21:20 AM PST by spokeshave
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To: jonrick46

How do you know she, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama, was in a boarding house in Seattle?

The correspondence courses she took from the University of Washington would have allowed her to be anywhere. It doesn’t make sense she would be in Seattle when she could physically attend the university but did not do so.


26 posted on 12/18/2011 1:52:42 AM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: MichaelCorleone
Being a billionaire must not be all it's cracked up to be if this is the best DT can do with his time.

Or....he may know something that is in the wind and wants to be sure that folks know he was a doubter while not blowing it out of the water with too big a leak

Enough has been displayed to make a rational person wonder, yet nobody has rally sunk their teeth into it and given it a good shake yet. Who knows what Sherriff Joe has uncovered - he obviously has their attention...

27 posted on 12/18/2011 4:03:05 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: John Valentine

My father was naturalized at age 9, when his parents became US citizens. We have papers.

My FIL became a US citizen by choice after emigrating from Norway after WWII. He had papers.

Where are zer0’s papers?

He is not Natural Born and he was not naturalized after returning from Indonesia, where many documents list him as an Indonesian citizen by adoption.

IMO, he is a man without a country.


28 posted on 12/18/2011 5:23:55 AM PST by reformedliberal
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To: Seizethecarp
I thought the issue of CZAR B.O. eligibility is the 1874 Supreme Court decision:

Minor v. Happersett, an 1874 decision which arguably contains language that appears to disqualify anyone from presidential eligibility who wasn't born in the country to parents who were citizens.

WERE BOTH OF HIS PARENTS U.S. CITIZENS?
29 posted on 12/18/2011 5:39:16 AM PST by leprechaun9
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To: Seizethecarp
Photobucket Deja view all over again.
30 posted on 12/18/2011 5:41:23 AM PST by RetSignman
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To: RetSignman
Photobucket Servicing the president.
31 posted on 12/18/2011 6:12:10 AM PST by RetSignman
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To: Steelfish
Forget this “birther” issue.

You see, some of us prefer not to overlook fraud; clear fraud, not some phrase from 200 years ago that can legitimately be argued to mean whatever the arguer wants it to mean.

ML/NJ

32 posted on 12/18/2011 6:27:00 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: Seizethecarp; All
Another steaming hot take-out platter from combover boy, one of the greatest BS artists of our time.

What ever happened to all that "evidence" his "operatives" were digging up in Hawaii?

33 posted on 12/18/2011 6:55:27 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Liberalism: Ideas so good, they have to be mandatory!!)
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To: Steelfish
it’s up to the RNC to make the case to some red states to enact legislation requiring proof of “natural born citizenship” as defined above

Let me know when this happens!!!

I've been wanting to enter the Miss America contest all my life, and I think the year in which the RNC takes this action will be the year I can win!!

34 posted on 12/18/2011 6:57:44 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Liberalism: Ideas so good, they have to be mandatory!!)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Only ONE has come forward......that I know of.....

http://allafrica.com/stories/201005041039.html

Kenya: Obama’s Grandmother Throws Party

4 May 2010


Nairobi — A day after being awarded an honorary doctorate by a local university US President Barrack Obama’s grandmother hosted a party at her Kogelo home in Siaya on Tuesday.

Two bulls, three sheep and four goats were slaughtered for the many visitors who trooped to the home to congratulate the 88-year-old grandmother for the honour.

Mama Sarah Obama was awarded a honorary Doctor of Letters by the Great Lakes University of Kisumu on Monday for her role in helping widows and orphans at her Kogelo village.

A similar feast had been organised after Mr Obama ascended to the White House.

The day is now marked with cultural activities annually.

Mama Sarah appealed to the public to dedicate their time and effort to ensuring that they take care of orphans and the vulnerable people in the society.

“This is a show of blessing from God, since I have always dedicated my time to tend to the orphans. Even the US president passed through my hands,” added the grandmother.

Siaya DC Boaz Cherutich accompanied Mama Sarah from Kisumu to Kogelo for the celebrations.

The Obama Kogelo community chairman Mr Vitalis Aketch Ogombe hailed Mama Sarah’s efforts in helping orphans.

Copyright © 2010 The Nation. All rights reserved. Distributed by AllAfrica Global Media (allAfrica.com).

AllAfrica - All the Time


35 posted on 12/18/2011 7:06:04 AM PST by Grand
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To: Seizethecarp

ping BC


36 posted on 12/18/2011 7:13:10 AM PST by TNoldman (AN AMERICAN FOR A MUSLIM/BHO FREE AMERICA.)
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To: Seizethecarp
.to Trump being allowed by Ailes and Murdock to punch through the Fox News blockade
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Perhaps that “blockade” is Kabuki theater. Is this Fox's way of starting the conversation about Obama’s eligibility?

Fox might have been able to get away with squashing all discussion of Obama’s ineligibility in 2008, but it will be much harder this time and still maintain viewer ratings.

Personally...I gave up on Fox completely in 2008. They are untrustworthy. My husband and I don't even watch them when we stay in hotels. Now we get netflicks and Hulu on our computer when we travel.

37 posted on 12/18/2011 7:24:11 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: faucetman
I think he's just a BLOWHARD,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

He very well may be a paid traitor.

38 posted on 12/18/2011 7:29:21 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: SatinDoll
The correspondence courses she took from the University of Washington would have allowed her to be anywhere. It doesn’t make sense she would be in Seattle when she could physically attend the university but did not do so.

I have twice seen you mention that Stanley Ann Dunham took correspondence courses from the University of Washington, yet I distinctly recall reading (over a year ago) an analysis of her UW documents that demonstrated they WERE NOT correspondence courses, but were courses which required actual attendance at the University.

Do you have any information which demonstrates that they ARE correspondence courses? Also, there is the testimony of her friends that she was there in Washington, as well as the Polk directory, and some other bits and pieces. To my understanding it has been pretty well established that she was in NorthWest Washington in August of 1961.

39 posted on 12/18/2011 8:06:41 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp; SatinDoll; LucyT
“To my understanding it has been pretty well established that she was in NorthWest Washington in August of 1961.”

I agree. There is a computer generated roll-up summation line on her UW transcript which includes extension courses (WND says this includes night and self-study courses), AP courses (if any) and correspondence courses (if any). In SDAO’s case, only the total “extension courses” explicitly subtotaled are included, and there are NO enumerated AP or correspondence courses listed or subtotaled.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=107889

“The University of Washington registrar's office told WND that the extension courses on Ann Dunham’s transcript most likely involved a combination of self-study and night classes taken on the university campus.

“As WND has also reported, the evidence that Dunham was in Seattle in August 1961 comes from three sources:

“The public records division of the University of Washington has e-mailed WND that: “Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham was enrolled at the University of Washington for: Autumn 1961, Winter 1962, Spring 1962”

“Mary Toutonghi, the babysitter for Barack Obama Jr., told WND that she babysat for Obama when he was 7-months old (around February/March 1962) and Dunham was attending night classes at the University of Washington that started around 4:30 p.m.”

The Polk 1961-1962 directory listed Dunham at a Capitol Hill address in Seattle.

40 posted on 12/18/2011 8:36:36 AM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: faucetman

We have been on this birther issue for years and it isn’t going anywhere until we have a solid conservative governor for HI and a Republican legislature. That’s the hard truth.


41 posted on 12/18/2011 9:29:08 AM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: douginthearmy

“When was he naturalized?”

A very misguided and/or misleading rhetorical question. It assumes that all born citizens are NBC, and disregards the possibility of being a born citizen who does not meet the NBC definition of being born “in country to citizen parents.”

Since passage of the 14th Admendment the US has formerly recognized “born” citizenship for persons other than those meeting the Natural Born Citizenship circumstance.

While Natural Born Citizens are by far the greatest % of all born citizens, not all “born” citizens are Natural Born Citizens.

Obama is one of those persons whose birth to an American mother and a foreign father makes him a born (no need to naturalize) US citizen, but does not meet the criteria for NBC status.

Obama’s pro-offered birth certificate(s) are prima facia evidence that he fails to meet the Article II standard for Presidential eligibility.

Arguing about the place of birth is an Obama generated and promoted red herring to redirect attention from the underlying issue of his ineligibility due to divided loyality parentage.

Your posting of the above question identifies you as either woefully ignorant of the issues involved, or a troll promoting the Obama agenda. There are no other possibilities.

So which are you?


42 posted on 12/18/2011 10:12:59 AM PST by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: reformedliberal

“......and he was not naturalized after returning from Indonesia, where many documents list him as an Indonesian citizen by adoption.”

There are numerious USSC cases that were decided on the idea that a parents actions, subsequent to a child’s birth, cannot alter his/her citizenship status. The courts have always held that actions of the child, upon reaching majority, are the determining factor.

To my knowledge Obama has never formaly renounced his US citizenship as required by law . There is, however, a legitimate question about whether or not he accepted a Fulbright Scholorship by claiming to the US goverment that he was an foreign Indonesioan citizen/student when he was in his early twenties by signing an affidavid to that effect when submitting his application for the scholarship. The question then becomes whether or not signing that application constitutes formal rejection of US citizenship and acceptance of the Indonesian citizenship at his adoption to Soetero.

An interesting question that will never see the light of day in a court of law......


43 posted on 12/18/2011 12:12:05 PM PST by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: SatinDoll
It is well known that Stanley Ann and baby Barack were in a boarding house when she was taking classes at the U of W. There are even photos of it.
44 posted on 12/18/2011 12:18:22 PM PST by jonrick46 (2012 can't come soon enough.)
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To: jonrick46

Any so called evidence that could be suspect, because it was planted disinformation such as photos or “witnesses”, I’ve personally eliminatd from consideration. What’s left is compelling. Photographs can be altered by photoshop and “witnesses” paid to lie. We now know that newspaper birth announcements were altered by film being spliced

If baby Barry was born in Hawaii, and mother and baby lived in Seattle, why would the State Department claim that her passport records for the early 1960s have been destroyed? If they lived in Seattle, why take correspondence courses from a nearby university? She wouldn’t, because they weren’t living in Seattle.


45 posted on 12/18/2011 1:00:18 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: TigersEye

Thanks. That’s good proof. Why doesn’t Trump bring light to this??? He, of all people could do so.


46 posted on 12/18/2011 2:07:09 PM PST by AlanGreenSpam (Obama: The First 'American IDOL' President - sponsored by Chicago NeoCom Thugs)
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To: Seizethecarp

Did the baby come back? Corsi in his book summarizes well, but his witness statements that lil Barry was in Seattle from the babysitter and Blake are not reliable. There were other witnesses, friends of Stanley Ann who never mentioned a baby. Why not? Was Barry raised by “grandma” Sara? And Stanley Ann picks him up later? Her whereabouts are unaccounted for after Spring quarter 1962 at Univ of Washington til Spring quarter 1963 at Univ of Hawaii.


47 posted on 12/18/2011 3:03:20 PM PST by TheBigJ
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To: TheBigJ

Everyone has watched the video of Susan Blake, one of Stanley’s friends form Mercer island, Washington, recount the visit from Stanley and Barry in August ‘61. Are you inferring the account is a fabrication?


48 posted on 12/18/2011 3:15:01 PM PST by jonrick46 (2012 can't come soon enough.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

We have also seen the documents from the University of Washington stating that Stanley was a student there.


49 posted on 12/18/2011 3:17:05 PM PST by jonrick46 (2012 can't come soon enough.)
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To: SatinDoll

You fail to consider that if Stanley did take courses at the University of Washington, that information about her child and his birth information would be on file in the Washington States Department of Records. What? you ask? Because I am sure that Stanley Ann asked for state assistance and all of the information would have to be provided. A good detective could have it all there for us in a week.


50 posted on 12/18/2011 3:22:23 PM PST by jonrick46 (2012 can't come soon enough.)
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