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Wheel Falls Off DC Metrorail Train!
Unsuck DC Metro ^ | December 20, 2011 | Unsuck DC Metro

Posted on 12/20/2011 10:30:32 AM PST by Timber Rattler

For anyone in the DC area who relies on metrorail, a wheel fell off one of the trains on the Orange Line this morning and the entire system is snarled, with people still stuck on the train. Those who made it off are reporting that Metro still made them pay exit fare and somehow find their own alternative transportation.

(Excerpt) Read more at unsuckdcmetro.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Local News
KEYWORDS: dc; fail; metro; metrorail
The Orange and Blue Lines are FUBAR. Several riders report that a train lost a wheel. Nothing specific from Metro. Developing.


1 posted on 12/20/2011 10:30:36 AM PST by Timber Rattler
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To: Timber Rattler

Oh the irony.


2 posted on 12/20/2011 10:33:46 AM PST by JosephMama (Who to choose, who to choose...)
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To: Timber Rattler

Geez...I used to ride the metro all the time back in the late 70’s when I was in college. I thought it was great back then. Now when I sometimes take the train to a Nats game it seems to me that they’re still using the very same trains I rode on 35 years ago!


3 posted on 12/20/2011 10:33:54 AM PST by pgkdan ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: Timber Rattler

So... the wheels are finally coming of of Metro literally as well as figuratively. I’m surprised it took this long.


4 posted on 12/20/2011 10:34:05 AM PST by kevkrom (Separation of Business and State)
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To: pgkdan

That’s because they are!


5 posted on 12/20/2011 10:34:59 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler
"Those who made it off are reporting that Metro still made them pay exit fare and somehow find their own alternative transportation."

Of course. Metro's riders are subjects of the State . . . not customers.

6 posted on 12/20/2011 10:35:32 AM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: Timber Rattler

Willie Green is deeply saddened.


7 posted on 12/20/2011 10:37:32 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Timber Rattler

LOL...I thought so!


8 posted on 12/20/2011 10:37:51 AM PST by pgkdan ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: Timber Rattler

Are you out yet?

Rode Metro for a few years - never had any problems.

Finally switched to an Express Commuter (Dillon) bus from Silver Spring to DC. Cheaper, cleaner, no claustrophobia, plus passengers & driver were like family.

Good luck;)


9 posted on 12/20/2011 10:39:06 AM PST by sodpoodle ( Newt - God has tested him for a reason..)
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To: Timber Rattler
"From a very reliable Metro source "A brake disk (200lbs) broke free. Hit train behind it. The disk more than likely broke free and damaged that train but then looks like it possibly did damage to the train behind. There are either 8 or 12 bolts that hold the disk on. The bolts must have sheared off. Possibly inferior bolts from low bid contractor."

"Metro press conference at 3:00 p.m."

10 posted on 12/20/2011 10:39:51 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: sodpoodle

Yeah, I’m lucky since I didn’t have to go downtown today. A bunch of my co-workers are screwed though.


11 posted on 12/20/2011 10:41:12 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: pgkdan

Why wouldn’t they be? Rail Car’s life expectancy is 50+ years.. you refurb the inside from time to time and rebuild the few mechanical systems on them, but they are very simple and heavy duty, they are supposed to last for 50 or more years.


12 posted on 12/20/2011 10:42:33 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Timber Rattler

Chee, kind of a metaphor for the whole Obama administration ...


13 posted on 12/20/2011 10:42:44 AM PST by Fast Moving Angel (Proud Right-Wing Trash -- stick it, Alec.)
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To: HamiltonJay

When I went to High School in NYC in the 1960’s, the old Metropolitan Avenue El had rolling stock from the 1890’s in service. It was the oldest rolling stock in the Western Hemisphere, even the Cubans had newer trains.

They were sparse, but except for the occasional engine fire in mid-August, they ran pretty well.


14 posted on 12/20/2011 10:46:42 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: Timber Rattler

sent this on to Rush. i figure he’d find this hilarious


15 posted on 12/20/2011 10:49:22 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Timber Rattler

16 posted on 12/20/2011 10:58:22 AM PST by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: Timber Rattler

“You picked a fine time to leave me Loose Wheel”


17 posted on 12/20/2011 11:03:28 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Timber Rattler
people still stuck on the train. Those who made it off are reporting that Metro still made them pay exit fare and somehow find their own alternative transportation.

Sound like this is something like what we could expect from a national health service.

ML/NJ

18 posted on 12/20/2011 11:08:24 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: Fast Moving Angel

And the world economy.


19 posted on 12/20/2011 11:09:04 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I have no trouble believing that, 70 years for a rail car is not unheard of.

Pittsburgh Only relatively recently (last decade or so)
finally retired some of its old trolley cars, because the price of refurbing them finally got too high. But they were easily dated to the 40s and 50s is not older.


20 posted on 12/20/2011 11:10:04 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Timber Rattler

Muslem brotherhood.


21 posted on 12/20/2011 11:16:07 AM PST by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: Timber Rattler

“...made them pay exit fare ...”

Me:
“I’m not PAYING for your broke@$$ train!”
SLAM! as I exit....protected by the hundreds in my wake.


22 posted on 12/20/2011 11:17:46 AM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: All

not surprised. Metro is a sinking craphole and will cost a lot more lives before it gets better.
The cars are ancient by any standard, the stations were designed to look good in a photo shoot and win awards but they are an accident waiting to happen. Between the busted elevators, busted escalators, cracking floors, broken turnstiles, broken fare machines, leaking stations, wilding incidents, burglary, armed robbery and assault, I’m surprised people still ride it.
I rode it for 15 years and you could see these problems all around you but it never seemed to change. Like most municipal projects, WMATA has just become an organization that distributes retirement and health benefits and not what it’s named.

Here is what probably happened. The maintenance shift was light due to everyone taking holiday this month. This job was either put off or just extended past it’s time or completed by someone using medicinal MJ. The train was either too short (too few cars) for the run or just overloaded because a previous train was unable to accommodate passengers and there was too much stress on the brakes.
In other words, they were lucky lives were not lost right before a holiday due to their inability to do anything.


23 posted on 12/20/2011 11:48:24 AM PST by newnhdad
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To: HamiltonJay

There’s a bit more to them than that. Door opening and closing systems, HVAC, software, etc. are high maintenance systems. When you get to the motors, trucks, etc. if you get fifty years ... you’re doing fantastic. They are not simple as you as think. If you’d ever seen one built, you’d know. There’s a huge amount of testing involved.

Metro’s big problem was choosing a manufacturer that didn’t have a long history in the business. Even with one of the biggest Bombardier (Adtranz) you’re still making a big leap of faith.

Typically that is a low margin business. Check Bombardier’s stock price pre-Adtranz and post-Adtranz if you don’t believe me. Diamler didn’t own Adtranz long before they dumped it. Metro’s management picked someone even less qualified.


24 posted on 12/20/2011 11:57:35 AM PST by meatloaf (I've had it with recycling politicians in any way shape or form. Toingss 'em out!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
“You picked a fine time to leave me Loose Wheel”

Now that's funny !!! That's why I hate to ride the Metro - fear of getting stuck in the tunnel ... (and I ride the Orange line, when I ride)

25 posted on 12/20/2011 12:10:22 PM PST by 11th_VA
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To: HamiltonJay

50 years if properly maintained and designed, which the ROHR 1000 series are not. That’s why the 1000 series cars in the 2010 red line crash were demolished and the 4000 series were still in one piece. As far as the maintainance goes Metro can’t properly maintain escalators let alone the cars.


26 posted on 12/20/2011 12:30:39 PM PST by Boiler Plate ("Why be difficult, when with just a little more work, you can be impossible" Mom)
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To: Timber Rattler
Ahhh, the Ghettro Rail... I remember it well. Fond memories? Eh, not so much.

"Nes stop, Cleveland Par', doze opin on da lef'... dooooong, dooong..."

27 posted on 12/20/2011 12:34:50 PM PST by Hatteras
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

The legendary MTA “Q” cars. Started out as open platform Brooklyn Elevated Railway cars. Technology that predated flight but was the working definition of “bulletproof”.


28 posted on 12/20/2011 12:41:32 PM PST by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: meatloaf

It’s definitely in steady decline - I rode the Orange Line from New Carrolton to Ballston for a year, hated it - 50% of cars with broken AC in the summer (A Washington Post columnist measured 100 degrees in one - you had to immediately see if you got a blast of cold air when the door opened, and then if you didn’t try to run to another car.)

Doors didn’t open at my stop once, had to go to the next stop and come back.

I then drove for a year, hated that, and then I just moved to Ballston living in the same block as my job.

I basically will not take it at all anymore - not even to go downtown on weekends, because the trains are 19 minutes apart and I can’t stand waiting that long.


29 posted on 12/20/2011 12:42:14 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: 11th_VA

“You picked a fine time to leave me Loose Wheel”

I used to hate playing that song! Kenny Rogers whiny, grunting singing style was just grating!


30 posted on 12/20/2011 12:58:39 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Post of the day award!


31 posted on 12/20/2011 1:01:11 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Timber Rattler
I rode that line into DC from New Carrolton this morning to a meeting by McPherson Square at 9:30. We had another meeting there at 10, one of the others from my office coming for the 10 meeting was on the train that had to stop in and offload in the tunnel. As far as we can tell, it may have been the train I was on that dropped the part.

In any event, when the train stopped he had to walk the tunnel to the Smithsonian stop, a couple of hundred yards. When they got there they asked about bus service. The Metro employees were honest, they said that they needed at least a half an hour to figure out what to do, apparently they were moving out a bunch of busses from the depot, and were making plans on the fly. He gave up and took another train to Greenbelt where co-workers picked him up.

I had the unfortunate task of getting back out, after Metro employees at LaEnfant put us on the wrong transfer bus, I walked from the Reagan Building to the Capitol South station to get out of the mess downtown. Trains to New Carrolton were slow, but running. They announced that things were fixed by 2 or so. The real mess was between Federal Center SW and Federal Triangle.

32 posted on 12/20/2011 1:47:54 PM PST by par4
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To: Strategerist

Some of the newer designs going back ten years was considering making the HVAC moduler. When something failed you simply removed the entire module from the roof and loaded another one. That would have provided much better turnaround. You could use different levels of technician support to do different aspects of the work. R&R would be simpler than troubleshooting and actual repair.

Door mechanisms are probably the weakest link in designing a reliable car. Those get cycled a lot. Metro mgt screwed up so bad they didn’t get an English copy of the software. IIRC the code was in Italian. When they tried to do some of the work themselves, they got a big surprise.

High level mgt is entirely at the mercy of the worker bees. You don’t buy cars often enough to build any real expertise. Simply knowing what didn’t work before often isn’t enough.

I’ve seen incidents where the company and the authority’s QA inspectors bought off on a car and OKed shipment. When it arrived, the receiving inspection then found lots of issues.

For a company that sources worldwide you can get some interesting results. In one incident just one of a car’s lift attachments broke at the weld to the body resulting in a nearly finished car being demolished when it fell to the shop floor while it was being moved between work stations.


33 posted on 12/20/2011 1:50:18 PM PST by meatloaf (I've had it with recycling politicians in any way shape or form. Toingss 'em out!)
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To: meatloaf

I worked for Wabtec (what started out way back in the day as Westinghouse Air Brake)

I live just outside a town that changed its name to Carnegie, so he would put his railyard here.

I am not a guru on trains but I am not ignorant of them either. Yes, light rail is a bit different, but rail is designed and built for heavy duty long term use.

With proper maintenance and occassional refurbishment, 50 years for a rail frame is not atypical. Yes, you can’t just ignore it for 50 years, but properly maintained, 50 years is not outrageous at all.


34 posted on 12/20/2011 2:00:44 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
The basic car is easily good for 50 years plus. It's every thing that goes into, onto and under the car that determines how reliable the car is. Some cars were never designed for ease of maintenance.

I'm very familiar with Westinghouse's contribution to the transportation industry. Westinghouse sold WABCO (Ansaldo) and the people mover division long ago before it became ABC and sold most of the old industrial divisions. AFAIK, Ansaldo still operates in the Pittsburgh area. The people mover division went through a couple changes of ownership. Last I heard it belonged to Bombardier's Adtranz group which is also located near Pittsburgh.

35 posted on 12/20/2011 2:39:53 PM PST by meatloaf (I've had it with recycling politicians in any way shape or form. Toingss 'em out!)
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To: Timber Rattler


Bender: She is well-traveled. And I don't mean she travels a lot!
Petunia: Wheels fell off my house.
36 posted on 12/20/2011 3:08:30 PM PST by Trillian
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Update: They knew about the brake problems for years but did nothing about it!

Metro Knowingly Let Railcar Brake Problems Go Unfixed - For Years!

"On the same day Metro released a progress report on its six-year rebuilding effort, a Metro board member revealed that the transit authority was aware of problems with brake parts on its 5000 series rail cars six years ago but cancelled repair plans for financial reasons."

37 posted on 03/09/2012 3:45:12 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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