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Happy Chanukah to All: Jew and Gentile Alike
Amerisrael ^

Posted on 12/21/2011 8:00:41 PM PST by Amerisrael

122008_symbolThe eight days of Chanukah this year begin on Tuesday the 20th of December. The Jewish historian Josephus gives an account of the history:

The First Chanukkah (December 164 BCE)

Key excerpt:

["And on the twenty-fifth day of  the month Kislev, which the Macedonians call Apellaios, they lighted the lights [phôta] that were on the menorah, and offered incense upon the altar, and laid the loaves upon the table, and offered whole burnt offerings upon the new altar. 

As it happened, these things took place on the very same day on which, three years before, the divine worship had been reduced to an impure and profane form of worship; for the Temple had remained desolate for three years after being made so by Antiochus...And the desolation of the Temple came about in accordance with the prophecy of Daniel, which had been made four hundred and eight years before; for he had revealed that the Macedonians would destroy it. 

And so Judah and his fellow citizens celebrated the festival of the restoration of the sacrifices of the Temple for eight days, and omitted no sort of pleasure, but everyone feasted upon very rich and splendid sacrifices; and they honoured God, and delighted themselves with psalms of praise and the playing of harps. Indeed, they were so very glad at the revival of  their customs and, after so long a time, having unexpectedly regained their right to worship, that they made it a law for their posterity that they should keep a festival celebrating the restoration of their Temple worship for eight days. And from that time to this we celebrate this, which we call the Festival of Lights [phôta], because, I imagine, beyond our hopes this right was brought to light [phanênai], and so this name was placed on the festival."] -continue reading here.

For over 2,000 years Chanukah has been observed on the 25th of the Jewish month Kislev, which corresponds to December.

It would seem to be more than a coincidence that "Christmas" is observed on the 25th of December.

During more than three hundred years after the Messiah was born there was no "Christmas" that was observed by the early Jewish and Gentile believers.

Christmas=Christ's Mass, -- decreed at the Council of Nicea by Constantine in AD 325.

The following from Messiah Assembly:

 "Biblical Dates for Yeshua Ha Mashiach's conception and birth"-

A key excerpt:

["Chanukah often falls very close to Christmas, and at times is on the very same day. The apostate Roman church, under the direction of Constantine, dictated that Christians were to stop celebrating Chanukah. Records of that time, both Jewish, Pagan, and Christian, indicate that Gentile Believers had an almost universal practice of celebrating Chanukah up until this decree was given by Constantine in 325 A.D. Constantine deemed Chanukah to be "too Jewish." Since the Nazratim, those who were Jewish believers in Yeshua, refused to follow the lead of the Gentile Church and allow Constantine to appoint their officers, Constantine was determined to cut all ties between the Jewish and Gentile components of the Ecclesia. The pagan winter solstice rituals of late December coincided with Chanukah on the 25th of Kislev. Most of the rites and rituals of that pagan holiday were used to replace Chanukah to create Christmas, which was set to be celebrated on December 25. This was thinly disguised with a "Christian" veneer by arbitrarily saying it was the Messiah’s birthday.

Yeshua is shown celebrating the feast of Dedication (Chanukah means "Dedication") in John 10:22,23. It is at this celebration that He declares "I and My Father are One" [John 10:30], which testifies to His Divine origin in His conception. It also reinforces Chanukah as the time of His conception.]--read it all.

See also-

 "Why December 25th?"--Christian History

"Anti-Semitic Decrees of Constantine and His Sucessors..."-here.

 

 


TOPICS: History; Miscellaneous; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: chanukah; christmas; constantine; messiah

1 posted on 12/21/2011 8:00:43 PM PST by Amerisrael
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To: Amerisrael

Thank you.


2 posted on 12/21/2011 8:03:21 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Amerisrael

Happy Chanukkah FRiend. May G*d bless you throughout the year.


3 posted on 12/21/2011 8:09:07 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: Amerisrael

Thank you Amerisrael!


4 posted on 12/21/2011 8:10:03 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: Amerisrael

Just get Elijah out of my doorway and that dork Harry Hannah has got stop wearing that ridiculous get up.

He’s scaring the kids.... Fer Christ sake!

Just kidding ..... Happy chanukah.


5 posted on 12/21/2011 8:11:48 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Amerisrael

Israel forever.


6 posted on 12/21/2011 8:20:44 PM PST by TwoSwords
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To: Vendome

Phlebas the Phoenician, a fortnight dead,
Forgot the cry of gulls, and the deep sea swell
And the profit and loss.
A current under sea
Picked his bones in whispers. As he rose and fell
He passed the stages of his age and youth
Entering the whirlpool.
Gentile or Jew
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.

Sorry - given the title, that was the first thing that occurred to me


7 posted on 12/21/2011 8:21:08 PM PST by Noumenon ("I tell you, gentlemen, we have a problem on our hands." Col. Nicholson-The Bridge on the River Qwai)
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To: Noumenon

I like it.

Hope I remember it in the morning....


8 posted on 12/21/2011 8:29:38 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Amerisrael

Amen! Preach it, FRiend!


9 posted on 12/21/2011 8:29:53 PM PST by Ackackadack
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To: Amerisrael

May we all be made to see by the light!


10 posted on 12/21/2011 8:32:20 PM PST by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: Vendome
It's from T.S. Eliot's The Wasteland lines 318-326
11 posted on 12/21/2011 8:33:52 PM PST by Noumenon ("I tell you, gentlemen, we have a problem on our hands." Col. Nicholson-The Bridge on the River Qwai)
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To: Amerisrael

Happy Chanukkah !


12 posted on 12/21/2011 8:34:35 PM PST by GOPJ (Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, Than a fatted calf with hatred - Proverbs 15)
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To: Amerisrael

Don’t forget - if it weren’t for Chanukkah there wouldn’t be a Christmas.


13 posted on 12/21/2011 8:35:11 PM PST by TPOOH (I wish I could have been Jerry Reed.)
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To: Amerisrael

Shalom y’all!


14 posted on 12/21/2011 8:39:05 PM PST by Saundra Duffy ( For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Amerisrael

Happy Chanukkah!!! May G-d bless you!


15 posted on 12/21/2011 8:44:46 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Keep the CHRIST in Christmas!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy

All Y’all!


16 posted on 12/21/2011 8:47:30 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Happy Chanakah....


17 posted on 12/21/2011 11:44:35 PM PST by cherry
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To: Amerisrael

Happy Hanukkah!

But the “history” above is pure balderdash. Where in the Acts of the Council of Nicaea was there any discussion of Christmas?? And where is the evidence that Gentile Christians were celebrating Hanukkah?

What actually happened is that the Jewish Christian community was scattered and dispersed by Hadrian’s edict banning Jews from Jerusalem in 135. After that date, the Church in Jerusalem was mostly of Gentile origin and the Jewish Christian community fell into obscurity.

Oh, and Hippolytus of Rome was already citing Dec. 25 as Christ’s birthday in the early 200s.


18 posted on 12/22/2011 3:00:21 AM PST by Claud
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To: Amerisrael

Happy Hanukkah to all FReepers of any religion!


19 posted on 12/22/2011 5:10:33 AM PST by expat1000
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To: Claud

“...Hadrian’s edict banning Jews from Jerusalem in 135. After that date, the Church in Jerusalem was mostly of Gentile origin and the Jewish Christian community fell into obscurity.”

On the contrary there is documentation that Jewish believers in Yeshua were very much still around long after their dispersion from Jerusalem and Israel.

Even though Gentile Christians had become the majority of believers in Yeshua.

Please see the following article on the anti-semitism of John Chrysostom:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Chrysostom#Sermons_on_Jews_and_Judaizing_Christians

“During his first two years as a presbyter in Antioch (386-387), John denounced Jews and Judaizing Christians in a series of eight homilies delivered to Christians in his congregation who were taking part in Jewish festivals and other Jewish observances.”

[”...Christians in his congregation who were taking part in Jewish festivals and other Jewish observances”]

[42] “It is disputed whether the main target were specifically Judaizers or Jews in general. His homilies were expressed in the conventional manner, utilizing the uncompromising rhetorical form known as the psogos (Greek: blame).”

“One of the purposes of these homilies was to prevent Christians from participating in Jewish customs, and thus prevent the perceived erosion of Chrysostom’s flock.”

“In his homilies, John criticized those “Judaizing Christians”, who were participating in Jewish festivals and taking part in other Jewish observances, such as the shabbat, submitted to circumcision and made pilgrimage to Jewish holy places.”

[43] “John claimed that on the shabbats and Jewish festivals synagogues were full of Christians, especially women, who loved the solemnity of the Jewish liturgy, enjoyed listening to the shofar on Rosh Hashanah, and applauded famous preachers in accordance with the contemporary custom.”

[44] “A more recent theory is that he instead tried to persuade Jewish Christians, who for centuries had kept connections with Jews and Judaism, to choose between Judaism and Christianity.”[45]

“...Jewish Christians, who for centuries had kept connections with Jews and Judaism, to choose between Judaism and Christianity”

Or to phrase it more correctly,-
-choose between adapting his brand of Christianity [Christ=Messiah, Christianity =Messiannic]which sought to de-legitimise the Jewishness of a Jewish religion , or abandon their own Jewish identity heritage .

This was all because of his “Christian anti-semitism”

As far as Constantine decreeing Dec25th as the birth of the Messiah and the creation of Christmas see the link above at the end of the post entitled “Why Dec.25th?”

Also visit the following link:

http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Articles/Israel/israel.html


20 posted on 12/22/2011 7:41:36 AM PST by Amerisrael
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To: Amerisrael

You make a good point about Chrysostom. That is indeed evidence for at least some sort of continuing Hebrew Christian community, thanks for that.

I did read that link. The problem is I’m not sure where *they* are getting their information. Christmas appears on the Philocalian Calendar of 354. Constantine was long dead by then—he might have instituted the feast, but probably not, considering Chrysostom at least believed the date was kept from time immemorial in Rome. And he was probably right, considering Hippolytus’s testimony in the 200s.

Christmas was not, that I am aware, ever discussed in the Council of Nicaea, though the date of Easter certainly was. And I have never seen or heard mention any edict of Constantine regarding Christmas. I suspect someone at that website is seriously confused.


21 posted on 12/22/2011 8:25:26 AM PST by Claud
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