The Agnew Funeral.

Did you read the book? No? Then shut up.

Ah, so this new conspiracy theory explains why you couldn’t find anyone taking an interest in Arthur’s father’s citizenship.

YOU are the one that has a conspiracy theory. You think everyone is conspiring to "make up" the meaning of "natural citizen" just to disqualify your ignorant "precedent."

You keep ignoring the challenges against Arthur and Charles Evan Hughes as precedent. They don't fit your "conspiracy theory."

Knowing that Chester Arthur’s father was not a citizen of the United States when Chester was born, what would you consider Arthur’s father to have been? Was he a domiciled alien? Was he a foreigner? At the time of Arthur’s birth, had his father declared an intent to become a citizen?

Danae wrote: “Within 18 months the man was dead of a kidney ailment which was his real reason for not running for a second term.”

Arther did run for a second term. He put little effort into his primary campaign, and was defeated for the nomination on the fourth ballot at the Republican National Convention.

Danae wrote: “If you want a real good paper on the matter please see one I wrote on the subject for my history class. I got an A on the paper by the way, and believe me, the prof went through every citation for accuracy, that was part of the assignment.”

Not so impressed by the fact-checking.

Did you see this thread?

You’re so correct. The thing about obots is that they NEVER let facts or the truth get in their way. If the facts aren’t on their side, well, then they just lie or make things up.

Some sites, like Leo’s, certainly get more publicity than others. I hope that this rampant lie about Agnew will truly be obliterated.

I agree with you about Rubio and any other “attractive” non-natural-born citizen. If they want to run, then let them first have the Constitution amended, the correct way—by the method supplied by the Constitution.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you, too, Fred Nerks! I WILL never give up. Never fear. No worries.

Thanks, I’ll check it out.

Sorry for the delay, but I was off the net for a while.

You are incorrect, many were and still are interested in the fact that Arthur was born British due to his father’s citizenship.

Now back to the topic, NO ONE until Donofrio dug up the original records on Agnew. Furthermore, no one had recognized, in modern times, that Agnew’s father had changed his name TWICE. First to Thedore Anagnost in Schenectady NY. Only later did he change it to Agnew. No one found the biographies Donofrio did which documented all this.

You might just be playing the part of wiseass with your accusations of conspiracy theory, but in reality it is those using the false case of Agnew’s lack of Natural Born Citizenship status (he IS a natural born citizen) who are the conspiracy theorists. It is THEY who are spreading a pack of lies in order to support an unconstitutional POTUS, and you are one of them.

Every single bit of evidence coming to light further makes the points Leo is bringing up. Every one of them points to Natural Born Citizenship being a citizen born in country to two parents who are it’s citizens. This is NATURAL LAW, it never had to be written by man per say, because even a fool in motley could see that a person born in country to two parents who are it’s citizens are OF COURSE Natural Born Citizens, they can be nothing else. The Founders knew it, every nation on earth knows it, yet somehow it slips past the after-birthers. It is never-endingly astounding to me just how deliberately ignorant people can be.

That was an excellent find by the person who found it, but it still isn’t what Donofrio found. If there is a comment somewhere on the net that documents the 1910 census I would like to see it. I believe Donofrio is the first to do research that in-depth. It also does not show the evidence of Theodore changing his name twice. Donofrio discovered new evidence which really does shut the door on obots who try to use Agnew as an example.

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/2010/02/22/eligibility-hi-petition-launched-in-spite-of-introduced-bills/#comment-35926 "MGB March 1st, 2010 13:24 dunstvangeet: I’m aware of the column headings, because I also looked up their meaning over the weekend. From experience working with census records, I’m also aware that when specific columns were lacking, census takers often improvised. I have other records where a census taker wrote the date of naturalization in that column, because it was more pertinent to the record than the date of immigration, being more recent information. Mr. Agnew’s records are contradictory and elusive; but at least, unlike Obama’s, they’re out there on the Web for all to see–contemporaneous records. You say that you have proof that Agnew’s father was not a citizen when Spiro was born. That’s a pretty-sure-of-yourself statement to make, in the face of contradictory records. So what do we know so far? 1. In 1920, the census taker wrote down that Theodore was an alien who came to the US in 1887. 2. In 1930, the census taker wrote down that he was a naturalized citizen who came to the US (if that’s not the date of naturalization) in 1903. In 1910, Theodore S. Anagnost (Anagnostopoulos) lived in Schenectady, NY, with and next to relatives (cousins, siblings). See dist. 7, enumeration dist. 186, ward 7, p. 4A. That document states that he came to the US in 1902 and was naturalized by 1910. So perhaps he was naturalized in 1903, shortly after arriving in the US. How do I know this is Spiro’s father? Because there is a TIME magazine story about him and his cousins, dating from 1969: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,840347-2,00.html You will find Andrew Chyrsikos in the same city in 1910. A. Kansas is another cousin. Theodore lived with or next to Mr. Kansas. On the Ellis Island website, you will find that Theofrastos S. Anagnostopoulos, age 25, came to the US on 9/30/1902, bound for Schenectady, NY, to live with his cousin “A. Kansas”. You can see the actual manifest at the website. Note that the transcriber mistakenly read his middle initial as “L.” when it was “S.”, albeit written in a very florid script. Compare that S. to other examples of the person’s handwriting. You have to register to see these documents, but it’s free. http://www.ellisisland.org/search/shipManifest.asp?MID=08846931920007855840&FNM=T&LNM=ANAGNOSTOPOULOS&PLNM=ANAGNOSTOPOULOS&first_kind=1&last_kind=0&RF=13&pID=102784160474& So, whatever 1903 meant on the 1920 census, Theodore was naturalized by 1910, before he married and before Spiro was born. Look at your 1920 census record again. Notice that Mr. Moore not only wrote down the wrong date of immigration and age for Theodore, he also indicated that Spiro’s mother Margaret, who was born in VIRGINIA, was an alien and, although born in the USA, came to the USA in 1887. How is that possible? Her sister Lillian, who lived with her and Theodore at the time, was also born in Virginia; but she was not listed as an alien immigrant. I think Mr. Moore was very mixed up, perhaps could not understand their Greek accent, was in a hurry that day, or else he made false assumptions. Considering that the TIME magazine article mentioned “beenamerica”, it’s possible that Theodore’s family went back and forth between America and Greece. Theodore and his brother George may have come to the USA in 1887, as children. At some point, the family may have returned to Greece. Then the siblings came back, with cousins, in the early 1900s. In any case, it’s certainly NOT true that Spiro’s mother was an alien immigrant in 1920. So whatever else Mr. Moore documented is suspect. So we have dueling census records, although the 1920 census record has numerous errors of fact. The 1910 census clearly states that Theodore Anagnostopoulos (Spiro Agnew’s father) was a naturalized citizen in 1910, years before Spiro was born. For those who don’t know, the 1890 census was mostly destroyed by fire. So there are no census records for this family prior to 1900. Interesting confluence: Now some are claiming that Obama’s original birth records (although recently SEEN by Ms. Fukino) also conveniently were destroyed by fire. When? And where’s any news story about that frightening historical event–that being when Hawaiian state archives were destroyed in a fire?" There's more on that blog. It was an ongoing discussion back in March 2010 This is another person who did the same research. It's been on the Web. As I said, some blogs are more frequently read than others. People share. People read other blogs. People go to libraries and online databases and share what they find. It's not a contest, unless someone makes it one.

That’s really interesting!

Thanks!

~D