Posted on 12/23/2011 7:44:12 PM PST by Danae
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Some precedent there. Does this also mean that since Jimmy Hoffa is missing and the perps unknown, its OK to make other union bosses go missing? Not prosecuted does not mean its a precedent.
Good to see Leo is still in on the fight. All the rationalizing by the Fogbowers to justify the illegal candidate for having assumed the highest public office of the land is being being exposed for untruth.
All that will be left to these anti-constitutionalists is the fact that Obama was not properly challenged prior to the election of 2008. Which of course is absurd because of efforts to obfuscate by Obama supporters including SanFranNan who provided all 50 states with 2 different versions of the OCON, and of course Mark Schatz Chief Election Officer of HI failed in his duties to abide by State election law by allowing the usurper on the state ballot.
Wonder what Agnew would think of the “effete corps of impudent snobs” who cover for this president.
And YOUR side turned out to be WRONG again. (No surprise to me.)
The case of our 21’st President, Chester Arthur, went the other way, according to Donofrio’s research. Arthur’s father was not a U.S. citizen at the time of President Arthur’s birth.
But no one knew it at the time because all involved LIED about when his father naturalized and when Arthur was born. Arthur pulled a coverup that was only recently discovered thanks to the efforts of those who are investigating, (such as Donofrio) as opposed to helping obfuscate. (such as Blade Bryan)
The problem for Donfrio’s legal theory is that no one cared whether Vice President Agnew’s father, nor President Chester Arthur’s father, was a citizen. It’s not that no one could have gone to the library and checked it out, nor that Donofrio was the first person in a century to think defending the Constitution is worth a trip to stacks.
No one cared alright, because Arthur led everyone to believe that his father had naturalized prior to Chester's birth. It's all in the book I keep showing you.
Reality is that no one cared whether the son of a Greek or an Irishman became President of the United States, until a certain faction realized that such cases would serve as precedent to show that the son of a Kenyan could be President. This thread is not really about laying to rest the slander about Spiro Agnew. It’s a desperate attempt by a losing attorney to revive a slander upon Obama.
You attempt to substitute apathy for intent. The American People WANT their laws upheld, especially the constitutional ones, but they don't want to strain their little brains with complications. Over the years people have not been diligent in the protection of their laws, but not because they intentionally want them ignored. Instead this has occurred through a lack of paying attention.
Someone who has lived their entire lives in the United States, with Parents who are known to have been Residents of the United States for the entire life of the person, is automatically assumed to be a "natural born citizen." The question doesn't come up because most of the time no one thinks it necessary to ask it.
Now you have been told OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER that both Chester A Arthur and Charlies Evans Hughes were challenged as to their eligibility because they were not natural born citizens, and yet you keep repeating the lie that there is no such standard, and it's all a "conspiracy" to pick on the stupid "black" child currently pretending to be our leader.
That no one cared, has more to do with ignorance of the facts as opposed to having made an actual choice in the matter. I daresay a sufficient number of Democrats are so stupid they wouldn't care if a Candidate was 25 years old either. (or 12, like you seem to be.)
http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2011/10/28/justiagate-justia-unjustified/comment-page-2/#comment-65671
Debunked there months ago.
And over a year ago:
“Welcome, Edward. I also read your blog entry. I once looked into the issue of Spiro Agnew’s natural born citizenship. I found his father’s WWI draft registration in the National Archives:
WWI Registration Card 559 A2691
Theodore Spiro Agnew
226 W. Madison St.
Baltimore City, Maryland
Age 40 Birthdate Sept. 12, 1878
Race White
NATURALIZED U.S. CITIZEN
Occupation Restaurant
Margaret M. Agnew, wife (nearest relative)
Registrar’s report
Height medium
Hair black
Eyes black
Build stout
No disabilities
DATE OF REGISTRATION: Sept. 12, 1918
The 1910 census indicates that he was naturalized by the time that census was taken. His wife was born in the US and so was a US citizen from birth. Spiro Agnew was born in 1919; therefore, both his parents were US citizens when he was born, so he WAS a natural born citizen and thus eligible to become president, should it have become necessary.”
Never give up...well done...Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to ya!
DiogenesLamp wrote: “But no one knew it at the time because all involved LIED about when his father naturalized and when Arthur was born.”
So cite them lying about when Arthur’s father was naturalized.
DiogenesLamp wrote: “No one cared alright, because Arthur led everyone to believe that his father had naturalized prior to Chester’s birth. It’s all in the book I keep showing you.”
You seem to have showed the wrong page. How about you show the page saying the citizenship of Arthur’s father mattered?
Hinman thought, incorrectly, that Chester Arthur was born in Canada. Hinman was a proto-birther, but not so stupid as to be a proto-Vattel-birther.
True, but it was still being used by Obots on all the regular sites. Time to utterly obliterate it.
You see, as much as Rubio is being groomed for POTUS or Veep, he is NOT constitutionally qualified for the offices. I consider it of PARAMOUNT importance that we NEVER have another unconstitutional POTUS again. No matter how attractive he or she is.
I want to prevent a conservative establishment unconstitutional POTUS as much as a democrat unconstitutional POTUS. Either way weakens the constitution, and THAT should be prevented at all costs. It is the only thing which makes us Americans, and guarantees us our freedoms... and it has already lost too much potency.
No one knew that William Arthur was not a Citizen at the time of Chester’s birth. He has been in the United States after Canada for long enough that no one thought to question it. Those who did were just told he had been around for decades and must be a citizen.
In articles published in “The Brooklyn Daily Eagle” at the time showed rather definitively that Arthur lied on several occasions about his family history. If you want a real good paper on the matter please see one I wrote on the subject for my history class. I got an A on the paper by the way, and believe me, the prof went through every citation for accuracy, that was part of the assignment. You can find it on SCRIBD: http://www.scribd.com/doc/76438484/21st-President-Chester-A-Arthur-America%E2%80%99s-First-Unconstitutional-President I just uploaded it there so it might take a minute or two to finish the conversion process from the word doc original. There were a lot of citations to do.
Danae wrote: “You see, as much as Rubio is being groomed for POTUS or Veep, he is NOT constitutionally qualified for the offices.”
It’s a cautionary tale, a warning against going in for crank nonsense. The fringe codswallop hurt Obama not at all. Now Vattel-birthers are boxed into asserting their stupid theory against Rubio because they so vehemently, albeit uselessly, asserted it against Obama.
For the record, Hinman tossed up a number of possibilities, Canada was just one. The other was Ireland. Hinman sort of threw the whole kitchen sink at Arthur in an effort to prove he wasn’t born in the US. I believe it was a smoke screen, and no one has ever specifically identified who hired Hinman to do his work. He was PAID to investigate. So it is possible that Arthur through a third party hired Hinman to keep people looking at his place of birth rather than for his father’s citizenship status at the time his son was born. Also for the record, it was Leo Donofrio who FOUND the Naturalization document, the actual physical document which was never located by Hinman, something you would think he might have found considering all the other digging he was doing, and all the locations he went to in order to do that digging.
To further muddy the waters Arthur burned nearly all his documents after leaving the Office. Within 18 months the man was dead of a kidney ailment which was his real reason for not running for a second term.
“The problem for Donfrio’s legal theory is that no one cared whether Vice President Agnew’s father, nor President Chester Arthur’s father, was a citizen. It’s not that no one could have gone to the library and checked it out, nor that Donofrio was the first person in a century to think defending the Constitution is worth a trip to stacks.”
that is a blatant lie and you know it. The citizenship issue was a big darned deal to Hinman, who went to some lenghts to prove Arthur unqualified. He was jsut looking in the wrong place. Kind of like all those digging at Oblidiots place of birth, Hawaii (Mele Kalikimaka and Hau’oli Makahiki Hou by the way! :)). People are easily distracted by the comparitavely simplistic place of birth (just Soli) aspect of Natural Born Citizenship, and completely tossed into confusion about Jus Sanguinus - blood right citizenship. You see, if there is question about blood right citizenship - more than one for example, then the person does not meet the Jus Sanguinus aspect of Natural Born Citizenship, they are not naturally a citizen of only their birthplace.
Most people don’t know that there is NATURAL law and Man-made law. Natural Born Citizenship stems from Natural Law and is CONSISTENT ACROSS NATIONS because they are laws of nature, not man-made laws which are built upon natural law and vary between nations. THAT has been the linchpin of both Arthur and Obama who merely did what Arthur did to usurp the office.
Here is a thought for you, remember factcheck and all that? How Obama put up that he was born under the British Nationality Act of 1948? Well when Stanley Ann married British Kenyan Obama Sr., didn’t she become a statutory citizen of Great Britain at that point? Is THAT why Obama put that there? or was it to just put up the obvious as if it wasn’t relevant? I still don’t have a satisfactory answer to that... If that is the case, Obama would only have a birth place claim to American citizenship. It isn’t relevant in a way, because the cretin inherited British citizenship and that right there disqualifies him regardless of the citizenship of his momma. So I suppose it is a moot point...
Look my genius friend, it applies to EVERYONE.
Natural law is Natural Law, and it doesn’t vary from nation to nation. Each nation determines basic NATURAL BORN CITIZENSHIP the same way because it is the ONLY utterly consistent, the common denominator, the number that cannot be divided by anything but 1, a prime number if you will. The way ALL nations determine Natural Born Citizenship - at its most basic - is that of being born on the soil to two parents who are it’s citizens. Thats it. This is consistent the world over. It would apply if on the moon for heaven’s sake.
That is why it is referred to as “natural law” it doesn’t need to be written by man, only noted!
This is where you and so many others have screwed up.
Every other law on citizenship, the world over, is STATUTORY law, written by man. Natural Born Citizenship is NOT dependent upon Statutory Law. In fact, if one MUST rely upon statutory law in order to determine citizenship AT ALL, the one is NOT a Natural Born Citizen - by definition!
There is a massive difference between Natural Law and Statutory Law. It is far past time for folks like you to get and make this distinction.
I won’t attempt to answer any of that...because I don’t believe the kenyan was his father...and I am of the opinion the ‘marriage’ was a sham that if it took place, was while the kenyan was still married - not just to his tribal wife in Kenya - but to the ‘US citizen from whom he is separated, living in the Philippenes’ (according to the immigration docs!)
But I wonder...have you seen this? (excerpt)
When Chester runs for VP, Hinman comes along essentially demanding to see Chester’s birth certificate to prove he was born in the United States. This causes a minor scandal easily thwarted by Chester, because Chester was born in Vermont…but at the same time, the fake scandal provides cover for the real scandal.
Is this the twilight zone?
William Arthur was not a naturalized citizen at the time of Chester Arthur’s birth, and therefore Chester Arthur was a British subject at birth and not eligible to be Vice President or President.
Chester Arthur lied about his father’s emigration to Canada and the time his mother spent there married to William. Some sixty years later, Chester lied about all of this and kept his candidacy on track. Back then it would have been virtually impossible to see through this, especially since Arthur’s father had died in 1875 and had been a United States citizen for thirty-two years.
And without knowledge of his father’s time in Canada, or the proper timeline of events, potential researchers in 1880 would have been hard pressed to even know where to start.
Reeves proved that Arthur changed his birth year from 1829 to 1830. I don’t know if that would have protected recorded information. It’s another lie. I just don’t know what it means.
You bet I have. I wrote a paper on it years ago: http://www.scribd.com/doc/76438484/21st-President-Chester-A-Arthur-America%E2%80%99s-First-Unconstitutional-President
:)
Merry Christmas!
Danae wrote: “So it is possible that Arthur through a third party hired Hinman to keep people looking at his place of birth rather than for his father’s citizenship status at the time his son was born.”
Ah, so this new conspiracy theory explains why you couldn’t find anyone taking an interest in Arthur’s father’s citizenship.
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