Skip to comments.Oklahoma City bombing: FBI sting gone wrong or murderous conspiracy for federal acquisition of power
Posted on 12/26/2011 8:56:29 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
When Salt Lake City attorney Jesse Trentadue filed a 1997 wrongful death lawsuit against the Clinton Department of Justice and Federal Bureau of Prisons he had no idea that the scraps of information grudgingly released by the federal government would be the first in a 15 year trail of evidence detailing the criminal involvement of the FBI, CIA, ATF and United States Secret Service in the planning and execution of the Oklahoma City bombing.
Since the 1995 murder of his brother Kenneth in his cell at the Federal Transfer Center in Oklahoma City, Trentadue has badgered, bullied, harassed, threatened and sued by the federal government of the United States. His Freedom of Information Act requests and inevitable lawsuits against those government agencies which have rigorously ignored them have provided extraordinary evidence of federal intrigue spanning 3 White House administrations.
He has documented the cover-up of FBI and Department of Justice involvement in his brothers murder; a cover-up engineered by then Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder.
He has obtained evidence of CIA spy satellites concentrated on the Elohim City location of Oklahoma City bombing conspirators and bomb makers.
He has documented the roles played by FBI and ATF informants in the target selection of the Alfred P. Murrah building and the acquisition of bomb making materials.
He has records of a telephone contact to Elohim City confederates by bomber Tim McVeigh 2 days prior to the blast.
He has demonstrated that the FBI systematically erased key moments in video recordings detailing the route traveled by the Ryder truck used in the bombing.
He has forced the FBI to cynically claim in federal court that known-to-exist video of individuals filmed climbing out of that Ryder truck 3 minutes before detonation has been lost.
He spent 2 days with Terry Nichols at...
(Excerpt) Read more at coachisright.com ...
Warning, Merely reading this information WILL put you on a LIST with the Government, They are ALL GUILTY and The People are finding out Slowly. What will become of this??
I have had a number of sticky points in regards to this bombing.... the fact that a survivor was walking between the building and the truck when the building blew up, and was blown ACROSS the street, and not into the building, the fact that the third story columns in the center of the building sheared clean instead of the front street level columns ( and the fact that the truck bomb could not have supplied sufficient force to shear these columns at the location they were sheared at ).. among other things.... but what bothers me the most is that I have seen all kinds of charts and graphs, but I have yet to see an actual picture of the bomb crater.... a blast with enough force to bring down this building ( and cleanly shear the third story center columns ) should have left at least a 25’ deep crater.... could someone settle my mind and produce a photo of the actual crater?
I tend to believe that it was a sting gone wrong that was used as a power grab.
Too many federal agencies screwing up and none knew what the others were doing and it all collapsed. Then came the cover up and the realization of an opportunity presented.
You’re wrong,something will happen. More laws will be created to imprison the American People. “ War on Americans” will make War on Terrorism look like a cub scout meeting. Stay safe. Now we’re both on that “List”.
...Conspiracy theories are my favorite hobby.
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I’m voting for the absolute and evil abuse of power.
Not shocked by this. I believe Oklahoma was a mini version of 911. Also the government considers us as collateral, so for them they don’t care. Whatever happen to John Doe 2? We have corrupt people in our government and must be weeded out. I hope and pray we can bring TREASON charges against these bastards in the Federal government.
Well, I don’t know what to make of this, except for the one fact I know.
The powers that be in this country are as Evil as Evil can be.
I recall a CNN reporter running along with a firemen after someone shouted a bomb would go off. That firemen just came from the building and he told the reporter that he SAW, HE SAW explosives attached to all 4 corners of buildings but there were some that did not go off. I doubt this firemen was lying. That is very telling. The image of the reporter and firemen never left me and what he said has remined in my memory.
Two words....Jamie Gorelick...same chick that messed up the 9-11 pre-hit investigation of the pilot that never cared about landing...
You are probably correct, it is a pretty sad and damning indictment against the entire news media in America when they refuse to TELL THE TRUTH, because it might be damaging to the Country as a Whole. When in Reality it is they that are doing even more Damage through their lies,misinformation, and selective blackouts about TRUTHFUL FACTS. Fortunately we still have the Internet for a couple more months, but this too will be co-opted by the State in a last ditch effort to retain power, it is already happening, they are desperate and it shows. see SOPA and the Defense Bill.
I tend to believe that it was a sting gone wrong that was used as a power grab.
Too many federal agencies screwing up and none knew what the others were doing and it all collapsed. Then came the cover up and the realization of an opportunity presented.>>
Sort of like “Fast and furious”, eh? Even has the same cast of characters,including Holder, and for basically the same reason.
Perhaps the FBI had an informant in the bomber group - who turned out to be a triple agent and misinformed his handlers as to the time and location of the operation. Or perhaps the informant really did not know.
A brew of malevolent conspiracy and government incompetence can go a long way.
So a large truck filled with nitrate-fertilized based bomb gets in front of the ATF build, and when it goes off, it cooks off the armory inside.
McViegh is captured at a "routine traffic stop" by an astonishingly lucky state trooper. The report of a third man at the Ryder truck rental along with McVeigh and Nichols gets buried. The McVeigh connection with a Filipino Muslim group and his travels to the Philippines gets buried.
All of the surveillance video of the explosion goes "missing". Seismic records from the US Geological survey, which according to their geologists clearly indicate **two explosive events** are ignored. Those same geologists and their entire group are subsequently laid off due to "budget reductions".
Nothing to see here. Move along.
Seeing how how Holder got away with being involved in the OKC bombing a little gun running should have been a walk in the park.
There you have it. Think Gun Control & the fact that Militia groups were organizing all over the country, have to demonize them, believe it was Dan Rather who did a TV show from OK, with many of the militia there to be interviewed by him.
Waco was just the start of all this, Clinton needed a fight and he got one, which carried over to OKC with the bombing, and there were men of Arab descent who were captured that night, questioned and simply let go free, they left the country (all very quickly).
The truth will never be known, to many "respectable people involved", political purposes, whatever, but Truth will never be known. For any truth to come out now,(or then) is simply to be considered as conspiracy theory. Our government is not our friend.
Then Clinton came to OKC for the opening of the Murrah Memorial to piss on us again.
Hate to be right with regards to this fiasco. And yes, SOPA and the DB is taking away our rights and their tool to control us physically and mentally. Fear being their biggest tool. Websites like this one will be censored or shut down because it’s not supportive of “dear leader”.
This is like a repeat of pre WW2 Germany where the government seeking absolute power kills its own thus creating a fabricated enemy so the power brokers can make money from the war that followed. HISTORY proves every war has had a silent third party who in the end is the primary benefactor of the war. WW 1 & 2, the benefactors were the banking families (money brokers) in Europe and the only thing that has changed since is that now there are money/power brokers in the Europe, US and the middle east. One would be hard pressed to convince me the powers behind the US government was not involved in 9/11.
Clinton’s “gun walker”.
Not much doubt about this. The inhabitants of that terrorist camp that were involved in it were ALL double agents of the FBI and the ATF. And the CIA was involved too, through that high-ranking German agent whom they brought over for some reason.
And the report by that Ordnance expert definitely confirmed that there were explosives strapped to the steel columns in the building basement. No way on earth that the explosives in that truck could have done the job. None.
There is evidence that clinton was personally involved, and knew about it beforehand. And he had his campaign speech, blaming Rush and the Christian Militias, ready to go. It won him the election.
Funny thing is while sitting here listening to Rush on the radio, I keep wishing and dreaming that he would take an active Role in this and Blast the Airwaves with Truth regarding ALL OF THESE incidents. That would bring it to the News Media’s attention for sure. But I don’t think he will.
the third man-—great book on this subject
I purchased the book by intrepid writer Jayna Davis, hanging fire for seven years and still holding.
The Third Terrorist
The Middle East Connection To The Oklahoma City Bombing
Murky so called refugees from Iraq hanging around Oklahoma City. Also a place called Norman, Okla. where training was given re flying aircraft to certain murky characters.
Don’t forget that a month later the building was imploded and all of the debris buried in a secured site at record speed. They hadn’t even recovered all of the bodies yet or had time to sift through the evidence.
and Tim McVeigh was executed about 35 days after he was captured/ The most heinous criminals usually 1= to 2- years to get to the execution stage. actually it was about 1 year. makes you want to go Hmmmmm.
Who would expect something so terrible to be in Heartland United States?
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The earliest reports I heard on the radio said an undetonated bomb was found inside the building.
In the end however, he finds enough contradictory evidence in her story to reject the notion of an Iraqi/al-Qaeda connection.
Personally, although I would love to see evidence of such a connection, it doesn't make sense that McVeigh went to his death proudly claiming that he and Nichols acted alone, and that Nichols has never said anything to the contrary. So this raises the goofiness level of conspiracy theorists even higher to think that two guys would willingly die/face life in jail for a lie.
Lets see if this gains any traction.
Source for this? No flight instruction available in Norman, afaik, and I've been there numerous times. (USPS maintains a technical training facility there which I've attended numerous times over the last close to two decades...)
and he only gave 1 interview while incarcerated, and he appeared to be drugged....
There has been considerable speculation that deals were cut. I have read, though I cannot vouch for it, that McVeigh did not appeal in exchange for a promise that family members would not be killed.
If you are willing to use ruthless tactics, you can get this sort of compliance.
Great book...highly recommend it!
Such data given elsewhere. You are right in asking for a source.
This was “Fast and Furious — The Prequel”.
Actually it does. McVeigh was successful beyond his wildest expectations in accomplishing his primary mission. There is no reason why he would want to share credit with his backers. He probably thought he was using them for his own purpose.
A zealot can rationalize logistic support and training from any number of unsavory sources in order to accomplish their goal. McVeigh was clearly motivated by hatred for the US police forces, specifically the ATF and likely believed that he was striking a blow against a deserving organization.
It is said that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". This is usually a fatal mistake. But it is a straightforward alliance of Muslim terrorists with any sort of anti-government group or criminal organization within the US. They have money, training areas, safe houses, and may be willing to seed non-Muslim terrorist groups with good prospects for terror activities.
It is an effective strategy that worked for the Soviet Union for decades, and still works today for Russia.
The FBI is very good at low-level infiltration of anti-government groups and makes a regular practice of agent provocateur. Usually they manage a terrorist operation until just before fulfillment, then bust in and take down the participants. Often one of the principle cell leaders is the FBI agent or informant.
Cross these two streams and you have an operation that can really blow up in your face. Perhaps that is what happened here.
Placemark for reading.
Second, threaten BOTH families? I think not.
Third, McVeigh "shared credit" with Nichols.
Fourth, as I said, Lance has made a detailed review of Davis---and is sympathetic---but finds the evidence severely lacking.
Thanks for the correction, this is indeed a book that should be on everyones reading list.
THE KLINTON COVER UP CONTINUES ALONG W/ FLIGHT 800.
...and neither do I.
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McVeigh presented himself as a "soldier" fighting for a "cause". Nichols fit into that narrative. Muslim terrorist backers did not.
Nichols made one carefully government controlled and stage-managed appearance after his arrest. He is now in "SuperMax" federal prison for the rest of his life. We will never again hear anything one way or another from him.
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