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Oklahoma City bombing: FBI sting gone wrong or murderous conspiracy for federal acquisition of power
Coach is Right ^ | 12/26/2011 | Doug Book

Posted on 12/26/2011 8:56:29 AM PST by Oldpuppymax

When Salt Lake City attorney Jesse Trentadue filed a 1997 wrongful death lawsuit against the Clinton Department of Justice and Federal Bureau of Prisons he had no idea that the scraps of information grudgingly released by the federal government would be the first in a 15 year trail of evidence detailing the criminal involvement of the FBI, CIA, ATF and United States Secret Service in the planning and execution of the Oklahoma City bombing.

Since the 1995 murder of his brother Kenneth in his cell at the Federal Transfer Center in Oklahoma City, Trentadue has badgered, bullied, harassed, threatened and sued by the federal government of the United States. His Freedom of Information Act requests and inevitable lawsuits against those government agencies which have rigorously ignored them have provided extraordinary evidence of federal intrigue spanning 3 White House administrations.

He has documented the cover-up of FBI and Department of Justice involvement in his brother’s murder; a cover-up engineered by then Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder.

He has obtained evidence of CIA spy satellites concentrated on the Elohim City location of Oklahoma City bombing conspirators and bomb makers.

He has documented the roles played by FBI and ATF informants in the target selection of the Alfred P. Murrah building and the acquisition of bomb making materials.

He has records of a telephone contact to Elohim City confederates by bomber Tim McVeigh 2 days prior to the blast.

He has demonstrated that the FBI systematically erased key moments in video recordings detailing the route traveled by the Ryder truck used in the bombing.

He has forced the FBI to cynically claim in federal court that known-to-exist video of individuals filmed climbing out of that Ryder truck 3 minutes before detonation has “been lost.”

He spent 2 days with Terry Nichols at...

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: ericholder; fbi; jessetrentadue; okc; okcbombing; oklahomacity; oklahomacitybombing; trentadue

1 posted on 12/26/2011 8:56:35 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: Oldpuppymax

Warning, Merely reading this information WILL put you on a LIST with the Government, They are ALL GUILTY and The People are finding out Slowly. What will become of this??
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING


2 posted on 12/26/2011 9:03:19 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: Oldpuppymax

I have had a number of sticky points in regards to this bombing.... the fact that a survivor was walking between the building and the truck when the building blew up, and was blown ACROSS the street, and not into the building, the fact that the third story columns in the center of the building sheared clean instead of the front street level columns ( and the fact that the truck bomb could not have supplied sufficient force to shear these columns at the location they were sheared at ).. among other things.... but what bothers me the most is that I have seen all kinds of charts and graphs, but I have yet to see an actual picture of the bomb crater.... a blast with enough force to bring down this building ( and cleanly shear the third story center columns ) should have left at least a 25’ deep crater.... could someone settle my mind and produce a photo of the actual crater?


3 posted on 12/26/2011 9:05:09 AM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: Oldpuppymax

I tend to believe that it was a sting gone wrong that was used as a power grab.

Too many federal agencies screwing up and none knew what the others were doing and it all collapsed. Then came the cover up and the realization of an opportunity presented.


4 posted on 12/26/2011 9:05:19 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: eyeamok

You’re wrong,something will happen. More laws will be created to imprison the American People. “ War on Americans” will make War on Terrorism look like a cub scout meeting. Stay safe. Now we’re both on that “List”.


5 posted on 12/26/2011 9:11:50 AM PST by VicVega (LSU is without a doubt the #1 team in the nation. GEAUX TIGERS, Geaux Saints)
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To: cripplecreek
that was used as a power grab.

...Conspiracy theories are my favorite hobby.

6 posted on 12/26/2011 9:13:06 AM PST by gargoyle (...a well informed public and a well regulated militia...)
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To: Pontiac

Bump for Later


7 posted on 12/26/2011 9:13:11 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because oit is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

I’m voting for the absolute and evil abuse of power.


8 posted on 12/26/2011 9:14:12 AM PST by bigheadfred
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To: Oldpuppymax

Not shocked by this. I believe Oklahoma was a mini version of 911. Also the government considers us as collateral, so for them they don’t care. Whatever happen to John Doe 2? We have corrupt people in our government and must be weeded out. I hope and pray we can bring TREASON charges against these bastards in the Federal government.


9 posted on 12/26/2011 9:14:17 AM PST by Patriot Babe
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To: Oldpuppymax

Good Christ...

Well, I don’t know what to make of this, except for the one fact I know.

The powers that be in this country are as Evil as Evil can be.


10 posted on 12/26/2011 9:16:46 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: joe fonebone

I recall a CNN reporter running along with a firemen after someone shouted a bomb would go off. That firemen just came from the building and he told the reporter that he SAW, HE SAW explosives attached to all 4 corners of buildings but there were some that did not go off. I doubt this firemen was lying. That is very telling. The image of the reporter and firemen never left me and what he said has remined in my memory.


11 posted on 12/26/2011 9:21:06 AM PST by Patriot Babe
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To: Oldpuppymax

Two words....Jamie Gorelick...same chick that messed up the 9-11 pre-hit investigation of the pilot that never cared about landing...


12 posted on 12/26/2011 9:26:45 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: VicVega

You are probably correct, it is a pretty sad and damning indictment against the entire news media in America when they refuse to TELL THE TRUTH, because it might be damaging to the Country as a Whole. When in Reality it is they that are doing even more Damage through their lies,misinformation, and selective blackouts about TRUTHFUL FACTS. Fortunately we still have the Internet for a couple more months, but this too will be co-opted by the State in a last ditch effort to retain power, it is already happening, they are desperate and it shows. see SOPA and the Defense Bill.


13 posted on 12/26/2011 9:28:31 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: cripplecreek

I tend to believe that it was a sting gone wrong that was used as a power grab.

Too many federal agencies screwing up and none knew what the others were doing and it all collapsed. Then came the cover up and the realization of an opportunity presented.>>

Sort of like “Fast and furious”, eh? Even has the same cast of characters,including Holder, and for basically the same reason.


14 posted on 12/26/2011 9:30:01 AM PST by gunner03
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To: joe fonebone
Consider the likelihood that ATF had a substantial cache of military weapons on the site, including unauthorized and improperly stored supplies of C4 and other explosives.

Perhaps the FBI had an informant in the bomber group - who turned out to be a triple agent and misinformed his handlers as to the time and location of the operation. Or perhaps the informant really did not know.

A brew of malevolent conspiracy and government incompetence can go a long way.

So a large truck filled with nitrate-fertilized based bomb gets in front of the ATF build, and when it goes off, it cooks off the armory inside.

McViegh is captured at a "routine traffic stop" by an astonishingly lucky state trooper. The report of a third man at the Ryder truck rental along with McVeigh and Nichols gets buried. The McVeigh connection with a Filipino Muslim group and his travels to the Philippines gets buried.

All of the surveillance video of the explosion goes "missing". Seismic records from the US Geological survey, which according to their geologists clearly indicate **two explosive events** are ignored. Those same geologists and their entire group are subsequently laid off due to "budget reductions".

Nothing to see here. Move along.

15 posted on 12/26/2011 9:35:18 AM PST by flamberge (What next?)
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To: gunner03

Seeing how how Holder got away with being involved in the OKC bombing a little gun running should have been a walk in the park.


16 posted on 12/26/2011 9:36:34 AM PST by fudimo
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To: Oldpuppymax
"""""because unimaginably evil and power hungry denizens of Washington DC believed a tragedy like Oklahoma City would ensure a new level of federal department funding and increased power over the rights of American citizens which can only be acquired following disasters of massive proportion?""""""

There you have it. Think Gun Control & the fact that Militia groups were organizing all over the country, have to demonize them, believe it was Dan Rather who did a TV show from OK, with many of the militia there to be interviewed by him.

Waco was just the start of all this, Clinton needed a fight and he got one, which carried over to OKC with the bombing, and there were men of Arab descent who were captured that night, questioned and simply let go free, they left the country (all very quickly).

The truth will never be known, to many "respectable people involved", political purposes, whatever, but Truth will never be known. For any truth to come out now,(or then) is simply to be considered as conspiracy theory. Our government is not our friend.

Then Clinton came to OKC for the opening of the Murrah Memorial to piss on us again.

17 posted on 12/26/2011 9:38:04 AM PST by annieokie
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To: eyeamok

Hate to be right with regards to this fiasco. And yes, SOPA and the DB is taking away our rights and their tool to control us physically and mentally. Fear being their biggest tool. Websites like this one will be censored or shut down because it’s not supportive of “dear leader”.


18 posted on 12/26/2011 9:38:25 AM PST by VicVega (LSU is without a doubt the #1 team in the nation. GEAUX TIGERS, Geaux Saints)
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To: Oldpuppymax

This is like a repeat of pre WW2 Germany where the government seeking absolute power kills its own thus creating a fabricated enemy so the power brokers can make money from the war that followed. HISTORY proves every war has had a silent third party who in the end is the primary benefactor of the war. WW 1 & 2, the benefactors were the banking families (money brokers) in Europe and the only thing that has changed since is that now there are money/power brokers in the Europe, US and the middle east. One would be hard pressed to convince me the powers behind the US government was not involved in 9/11.


19 posted on 12/26/2011 9:40:09 AM PST by drypowder
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To: Oldpuppymax

Clinton’s “gun walker”.


20 posted on 12/26/2011 9:45:04 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Oldpuppymax

Not much doubt about this. The inhabitants of that terrorist camp that were involved in it were ALL double agents of the FBI and the ATF. And the CIA was involved too, through that high-ranking German agent whom they brought over for some reason.

And the report by that Ordnance expert definitely confirmed that there were explosives strapped to the steel columns in the building basement. No way on earth that the explosives in that truck could have done the job. None.

There is evidence that clinton was personally involved, and knew about it beforehand. And he had his campaign speech, blaming Rush and the Christian Militias, ready to go. It won him the election.


21 posted on 12/26/2011 9:52:32 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: VicVega

Funny thing is while sitting here listening to Rush on the radio, I keep wishing and dreaming that he would take an active Role in this and Blast the Airwaves with Truth regarding ALL OF THESE incidents. That would bring it to the News Media’s attention for sure. But I don’t think he will.


22 posted on 12/26/2011 9:52:33 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: gunner03
"I tend to believe that it was a sting gone wrong that was used as a power grab."
Surprisingly enough, there was talk in congress about disbanding the atf just before this went down.... coincidence??? I think not...
23 posted on 12/26/2011 9:54:48 AM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: Oldpuppymax

the third man-—great book on this subject


24 posted on 12/26/2011 10:02:48 AM PST by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: Oldpuppymax; longfellow
A timely reminder indeed is this post.

I purchased the book by intrepid writer Jayna Davis, hanging fire for seven years and still holding.

The Third Terrorist
The Middle East Connection To The Oklahoma City Bombing
Jayna Davis
Nelson Current
2004.

Murky so called refugees from Iraq hanging around Oklahoma City. Also a place called Norman, Okla. where training was given re flying aircraft to certain murky characters.

25 posted on 12/26/2011 10:48:39 AM PST by Peter Libra
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To: flamberge

Don’t forget that a month later the building was imploded and all of the debris buried in a secured site at record speed. They hadn’t even recovered all of the bodies yet or had time to sift through the evidence.


26 posted on 12/26/2011 10:59:21 AM PST by okkev68
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To: annieokie

and Tim McVeigh was executed about 35 days after he was captured/ The most heinous criminals usually 1= to 2- years to get to the execution stage. actually it was about 1 year. makes you want to go Hmmmmm.


27 posted on 12/26/2011 11:04:55 AM PST by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country., Really! NOW!!!)
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To: Peter Libra
OKC has a large CELL of muslim terrorists, and have had for a very long time. Central United States, easy to get to all points and out of the country via Mexico, just an assumption on that part.

Who would expect something so terrible to be in Heartland United States?

28 posted on 12/26/2011 11:22:16 AM PST by annieokie
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To: Oldpuppymax

Bump for Later


29 posted on 12/26/2011 11:34:22 AM PST by The Mayor ("If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat" — Ronald Reagan)
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To: joe fonebone

The earliest reports I heard on the radio said an undetonated bomb was found inside the building.


30 posted on 12/26/2011 11:46:26 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: flamberge
Peter Lance, "1000 Years for Revenge," which is an exceptional book on events leading up to 9/11 and al-Qaeda in America in general, gives some discussion to Jayna Davis's claims. He doesn't just dismiss her.

In the end however, he finds enough contradictory evidence in her story to reject the notion of an Iraqi/al-Qaeda connection.

Personally, although I would love to see evidence of such a connection, it doesn't make sense that McVeigh went to his death proudly claiming that he and Nichols acted alone, and that Nichols has never said anything to the contrary. So this raises the goofiness level of conspiracy theorists even higher to think that two guys would willingly die/face life in jail for a lie.

31 posted on 12/26/2011 11:47:08 AM PST by LS
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To: eyeamok
"Moving quickly on Christmas Day after the US Senate voted 86 - 14 to pass the National Defense Authorization Act of 2011 (NDAA) which allows for the indefinite military detention of American citizens without charge or trial, Montanans have announced the launch of recall campaigns against Senators Max Baucus and Jonathan Tester, who voted for the bill.'

Lets see if this gains any traction.

32 posted on 12/26/2011 11:48:52 AM PST by VicVega (LSU is without a doubt the #1 team in the nation. GEAUX TIGERS, Geaux Saints)
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To: Peter Libra
Also a place called Norman, Okla. where training was given re flying aircraft to certain murky characters.

Source for this? No flight instruction available in Norman, afaik, and I've been there numerous times. (USPS maintains a technical training facility there which I've attended numerous times over the last close to two decades...)

the infowarrior

33 posted on 12/26/2011 12:17:25 PM PST by infowarrior
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To: dirtymac

and he only gave 1 interview while incarcerated, and he appeared to be drugged....


34 posted on 12/26/2011 12:19:54 PM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: LS
Personally, although I would love to see evidence of such a connection, it doesn't make sense that McVeigh went to his death proudly claiming that he and Nichols acted alone, and that Nichols has never said anything to the contrary. So this raises the goofiness level of conspiracy theorists even higher to think that two guys would willingly die/face life in jail for a lie.

There has been considerable speculation that deals were cut. I have read, though I cannot vouch for it, that McVeigh did not appeal in exchange for a promise that family members would not be killed.

If you are willing to use ruthless tactics, you can get this sort of compliance.

35 posted on 12/26/2011 12:33:00 PM PST by marktwain
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To: Peter Libra

Great book...highly recommend it!


36 posted on 12/26/2011 1:04:55 PM PST by FlashBack ('0'bama: "Katrina on a Global Level")
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To: infowarrior
On Norman, Okla. a supposed base for terrorist flight school infiltration . Back to the books for me.

Such data given elsewhere. You are right in asking for a source.

37 posted on 12/26/2011 1:11:05 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: gunner03

This was “Fast and Furious — The Prequel”.


38 posted on 12/26/2011 1:31:59 PM PST by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: LS
it doesn't make sense that McVeigh went to his death proudly claiming that he and Nichols acted alone

Actually it does. McVeigh was successful beyond his wildest expectations in accomplishing his primary mission. There is no reason why he would want to share credit with his backers. He probably thought he was using them for his own purpose.

A zealot can rationalize logistic support and training from any number of unsavory sources in order to accomplish their goal. McVeigh was clearly motivated by hatred for the US police forces, specifically the ATF and likely believed that he was striking a blow against a deserving organization.

It is said that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". This is usually a fatal mistake. But it is a straightforward alliance of Muslim terrorists with any sort of anti-government group or criminal organization within the US. They have money, training areas, safe houses, and may be willing to seed non-Muslim terrorist groups with good prospects for terror activities.

It is an effective strategy that worked for the Soviet Union for decades, and still works today for Russia.

The FBI is very good at low-level infiltration of anti-government groups and makes a regular practice of agent provocateur. Usually they manage a terrorist operation until just before fulfillment, then bust in and take down the participants. Often one of the principle cell leaders is the FBI agent or informant.

Cross these two streams and you have an operation that can really blow up in your face. Perhaps that is what happened here.

39 posted on 12/26/2011 2:14:15 PM PST by flamberge (What next?)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Placemark for reading.


40 posted on 12/26/2011 8:58:30 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: flamberge
First, I don't believe any U.S. government, including Clinton's, targeted the families of Americans to cover up a foreign strike that he was extremely interested in undertaking.

Second, threaten BOTH families? I think not.

Third, McVeigh "shared credit" with Nichols.

Fourth, as I said, Lance has made a detailed review of Davis---and is sympathetic---but finds the evidence severely lacking.

41 posted on 12/27/2011 8:15:14 AM PST by LS
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To: Peter Libra

Thanks for the correction, this is indeed a book that should be on everyones reading list.

THE KLINTON COVER UP CONTINUES ALONG W/ FLIGHT 800.


42 posted on 12/27/2011 8:34:05 AM PST by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: LS
First, I don't believe any U.S. government, including Clinton's, targeted the families of Americans to cover up a foreign strike that he was extremely interested in undertaking

...and neither do I.

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43 posted on 12/27/2011 1:29:13 PM PST by flamberge (What next?)
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To: LS
Third, McVeigh "shared credit" with Nichols.

McVeigh presented himself as a "soldier" fighting for a "cause". Nichols fit into that narrative. Muslim terrorist backers did not.

Nichols made one carefully government controlled and stage-managed appearance after his arrest. He is now in "SuperMax" federal prison for the rest of his life. We will never again hear anything one way or another from him.

44 posted on 12/27/2011 1:43:52 PM PST by flamberge (What next?)
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