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In Beck’s Shadow, Rise of ‘The Five’
The New York Times ^ | December 25, 2011 | Brian Stelter

Posted on 12/27/2011 10:02:33 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

When Fox News and Glenn Beck broke up in June, the network’s chairman, Roger Ailes, knew he could not put any single man or woman in that 5 p.m. time slot, lest he or she be compared to Mr. Beck or be pummeled in the press if the ratings tumbled.

So, about a week and a half before Mr. Beck signed off, Mr. Ailes wrote the words “The Five” on a piece of paper. Looking to the ABC talk show “The View” and to the time of day as inspiration, he pictured five co-hosts who could argue about the day’s top stories without feeling antipathy for one another. When announced on June 30, Mr. Beck’s last day, “The Five” seemed to be a temporary fix — even to the co-hosts, who were initially told they were just trying out for a weekend show.

But the show has stuck and has become a permanent part of the network’s lineup. The show’s ratings, though generally not as high as Mr. Beck’s, are growing. And most important, the advertisers that had shunned Mr. Beck are coming back to the time slot....

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Politics; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: foxnews; glennbeck; talkradio; television
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Greg cracks me up for some reason.
1 posted on 12/27/2011 10:02:38 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The five sucks.


2 posted on 12/27/2011 10:05:01 PM PST by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sorry it has apparently caught on.
I can’t stand the show and never watch it.


3 posted on 12/27/2011 10:05:50 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: onyx

Red Eye is much better, although it has it’s off days.


4 posted on 12/27/2011 10:07:28 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I haven’t intentionally watched a FOX program since Beck left. I might stop on a story as I’m channel surfing but that’s it.


5 posted on 12/27/2011 10:08:56 PM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Greg Gutfeld is funny/witty, and even more so on his Red Eye show, hard to catch at 3 am.


6 posted on 12/27/2011 10:11:51 PM PST by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: luvbach1

That’s why Silicon Valley invented the DVR.


7 posted on 12/27/2011 10:14:08 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He’s funny.
I remember in describing Paul during the last debate, he said,’Paul was just himself. He manages to say something reasonable but follows it with something goofy. It’s like ordering steak topped by necco waffers.’ LOL


8 posted on 12/27/2011 10:14:38 PM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes, but I’ve stopped watching Red Eye, too. I’m fed up with Faux.


9 posted on 12/27/2011 10:16:21 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Minuses: Bob Beckel is simply a toad. Nasty and ungracious and a liar. Dana Perrino is wishy-washy.

Pluses. Greg Gutfeld always makes me laugh. Kimberly Guilfoyle, hubba hubba, and she’s fearless and unapologetic.

I like it more than Red Eye these days. I can’t take the painfully unfunny “Bill Schultz punks people” segments that take up too much of the show. And, my favorites S.E. Cupp and Imogen Lloyd-Webber have lately disappeared.


10 posted on 12/27/2011 10:17:40 PM PST by denydenydeny (The more a system is all about equality in theory the more it's an aristocracy in practice.)
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To: bgill

Hadn’t really thought about it much; it wasn’t on purpose but I kind of lost interest in the network and haven’t been watching since.


11 posted on 12/27/2011 10:19:51 PM PST by stormhill
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To: denydenydeny

Bill is the token Democrat on that show (as well as one of the three writers, IIRC) so that’s understandable.


12 posted on 12/27/2011 10:19:54 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The Five” get a “2” on the ten scale in my view...


13 posted on 12/27/2011 10:21:14 PM PST by JDoutrider
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Interesting article regarding cable news and advertisers as well as why Fox and Beck broke up. Looks like truth isn’t big when it comes to profit and ad sales.


14 posted on 12/27/2011 10:23:07 PM PST by GOP Poet (Time for Bambi and his commie crew to go.)
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Looks like truth isn’t big when it comes to profit and ad sales.

Fox News is, first and foremost, a business.

15 posted on 12/27/2011 10:35:04 PM PST by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Whichever of the women on the show is showing the most leg gets to sit next to Bechtel. That would be a permanent seat for Dhue - where’d she go BTW.


16 posted on 12/27/2011 10:36:30 PM PST by OrioleFan
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To: denydenydeny

SC Cupp and Lloyd Webber are with Glenn on GBTV. I love Glenn’s
new show however sometimes 2 hours is just to long.


17 posted on 12/27/2011 10:42:00 PM PST by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Five is stupid because it turns news in to entertainment. Beckel is a boor and Gutfeld should just stick to RedEye.


18 posted on 12/27/2011 10:51:09 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: OrioleFan

Laurie Dhue wrote a book about her alcoholism and she’s out of the news business, working for her own charity, which IIRC, helps other women afflicted with alcoholism.


19 posted on 12/27/2011 10:52:06 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: onyx

RedEye constantly pushes the gay agenda. I’ve stopped watching that. About all I ever watch on FNC is Special Report with Bret Baier.


20 posted on 12/27/2011 10:56:08 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: OrioleFan

Laurie Dhue left the news business. She wrote a book chronicling her battle with alcoholism. She’s helping others in similar situations.


21 posted on 12/27/2011 10:59:48 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: onyx

No Faux Fo’ Moi!


22 posted on 12/27/2011 11:04:36 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: luvbach1

I tape it and watch at 8 pm in place of whatshisface.Great show.


23 posted on 12/27/2011 11:17:04 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: doc1019

Consider the source; NYT.


24 posted on 12/27/2011 11:19:44 PM PST by JaguarXKE
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is Fox still on?


25 posted on 12/28/2011 12:05:08 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In his final month on Fox, Mr. Beck had an average of 1.6 million viewers; the following month, “The Five” had fewer than 1.3 million.

It has steadily gained audience share since then, and in mid-September Mr. Ailes made the show permanent. So far this month it had 1.6 million daily viewers, matching Mr. Beck’s final numbers for the first time.

26 posted on 12/28/2011 12:08:55 AM PST by iowamark
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Get rid of Bob Beckel and the show would be even better.

As it is, I only DVR it so I can see what Greg Gutfeld says.

The only FNC show I watch from beginning to end anymore is Red Eye.

27 posted on 12/28/2011 12:19:35 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
And most important, the advertisers that had shunned Mr. Beck are coming back to the time slot....

Sheeeeyit. You mean the advertisers who slinked (slunk?) (slank?) away in fear after being harrassed by The Left Wing Lunatic Fringe.

28 posted on 12/28/2011 12:22:46 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: xjcsa

Every channel is, first and foremost, a propaganda outlet. Business comes second.


29 posted on 12/28/2011 12:52:22 AM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mas cerveza por favor

Soros said he’d “get” Fox over Glenn> Murdoch was severely attacked in the UK. Murdoch now has a big interet in Dubai media. Faux news is borderline PETA fake conservative now.

Establishment, left or right. Stuart Varney and Cavuto are exceptions.


30 posted on 12/28/2011 1:03:29 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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Eric Bolling is Conservative. I forget the name of his show on Fox Business Network but he’s a good guy.


31 posted on 12/28/2011 1:05:46 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Texas Eagle

Tnx.
Isn’t he a business reporter?


32 posted on 12/28/2011 1:07:59 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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Yes. His show is called Follow The Money on Fox Business Network.


33 posted on 12/28/2011 1:19:25 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yes, Greg and Eric are usually great. The women are so-so; Dana is a bit predictable as a "mainstream" Republican and Kimberly/Andrea are OK, but not outstanding.

Beckel is just revolting. I usually turn it over to something else when his segment begins.

My wife made the key insight on "The Five" -- it is simply a conservative version of "The View", right along with a token liberal for laughs and to serve as a punching bag (Beckel), just as Elizabeth Hasselbeck is the token conservative on her program.

34 posted on 12/28/2011 1:24:01 AM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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Hadn't thought of that. It is kind of like The View.

Can you imagine the ratings of a show that consisted of 4 Conservative women and one token Lib?

I think the ratings for that show would be through the roof.

Copyright!

35 posted on 12/28/2011 1:44:25 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would take Guilfoyle and Tantaros a lot more seriously if they weren’t made up like hookers with mini skirts and purposely positioned with the leg shots at the end of the table. (Gee, I wonder why Bob Beckel and Juan Williams aren’t seated at the end?) How degrading! They look like they spend all of their free time shoe-shopping, having their hair and make-up done, and competing to see who can wear the tightest tops.


36 posted on 12/28/2011 2:03:31 AM PST by dupree
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To: iowamark

I think the view gets roughly 750,000 viewers +/- 150.


37 posted on 12/28/2011 2:07:00 AM PST by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I didn’t click on the NYT website (I never do). Do they offer any actual numbers?


38 posted on 12/28/2011 2:10:16 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: mas cerveza por favor
Every channel is, first and foremost, a propaganda outlet. Business comes second.

The funny part of that is that propaganda IS business.

None of the Marxists have failed to live better than their Party lessers, nor Nazis, nor any others who ply the masses with propaganda, including our political 'betters'.

Those insiders can trade tidbits which make 'news' outlets look more relevant, which gets those outlets more ad revenue, etc.

Money is power is money.

39 posted on 12/28/2011 2:18:54 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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They look like they spend all of their free time shoe-shopping, having their hair and make-up done, and competing to see who can wear the tightest tops.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

≤}B^)

40 posted on 12/28/2011 2:29:18 AM PST by Erasmus (Rage, rage, against the dying of the light. Or, get out your 50mm/1.2.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Like Greg Gutfeld, but The Five is absolutely awful.

Fox News has mostly become unwatchable. There’s very little news on Fox News these days. It’s a lot cheaper if a so-called news channel doesn’t have to pay for reporters and assets to cover news in the field.

Every Fox show simply repeats the same silly stories all day long that some one thinks will attract ratings.


41 posted on 12/28/2011 2:48:40 AM PST by Rum Tum Tugger
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Only reason to watch The Five is to see Andrea.


42 posted on 12/28/2011 2:57:44 AM PST by rhinohunter (Not voting for RINO Romney...no way...no how)
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I agree. The show "THE FIVE" is a total waste of time.
Bob Beckel is such a prune.
No! I won't put up with that garbage, no matter how much, they make a laughing stock out of Beckel.
43 posted on 12/28/2011 2:58:34 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s like Fox’s version of “The View.”


44 posted on 12/28/2011 2:58:47 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Five doesn’t cut it—I am sure they could come up with something better. Put up another show—maybe something with some bite to it and not pablum. Something like Joe Pine—something edgy without the Beck Preaching. Savage?


45 posted on 12/28/2011 3:23:09 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I used to watch it for Kimberly, hot hot hot. However Beckel and his substitute, Juan Williams are so annoying, even for liberals, that it became too much to watch.


46 posted on 12/28/2011 6:26:32 AM PST by duckman (Herman 2012 was Zero's worst night mare.)
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To: doc1019

The single worst show Fox has ever put on. We can’t stand it. We wait for Brett Baier at 6PM


47 posted on 12/28/2011 6:43:54 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Precisely the reason I quit watching RedEye. That is, when I’m still awake at that hour.
Happy New Year Chief!


48 posted on 12/28/2011 6:54:26 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: Yosemitest

LOLOLOL. You’re right about Beckel. It was hard enough to endure him once a week on Hannity’s panel. Now, I won’t watch him on Hannity’s either. Enough!


49 posted on 12/28/2011 7:02:08 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

At 5 I switch to Fox Business Channel and watch the “Willis report” with Gerri Willis. If you don’t get FBC demand it!


50 posted on 12/28/2011 7:10:44 AM PST by csmusaret (The only borders Obama has closed is a bookstore.)
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