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HHS Says “Units” Over 70 Will Receive “Comfort Care” Instead Of Actual Neurological Care
Somewhat Reasonable ^ | December 29, 2011 | Kendall Antekeier

Posted on 12/30/2011 7:31:33 AM PST by NYer

Those who have implied that the President’s health care law will establish “death panels,” have encountered excessive criticism. Yet, more and more information is being released identifying that rationing of care will in fact occur, and that it will be done by government bureaucracies.

For example, a phone call into The Mark Levin Show on WLS 890 from a Chicago neurosurgeon last month revealed that a Health and Human Services (HHS) document, associated with the Obama Administration’s federal health law, will inhibit patients over the age of 70 from receiving neurological care. Instead of receiving “advanced neurosurgical care,” “units,” (meaning patients), over 70 will receive care to make them “comfortable.” In order to provide the neurosurgical care, a physician would have to appeal to a “ethics committee” made up of administrators, not physicians, to determine if the services can be administered.

This document, not surprisingly, has not been presented to the public.

Listen to the call by clicking the link below:

Obamacare Rationing – A Phone Call From A Neurosurgeon


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Health/Medicine; Science
KEYWORDS: bhohealthcare; corruption; deathpanels; democrats; fraud; govtabuse; hhs; liberalfascism; moralabsolutes; obama; obamacare; prolife; socialisthealthcare
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1 posted on 12/30/2011 7:31:41 AM PST by NYer
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To: wagglebee

Ping!


2 posted on 12/30/2011 7:32:33 AM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer

I’m shocked ! Shocked I tell you. Truly shocked !!


3 posted on 12/30/2011 7:34:44 AM PST by zwerni (this isn't gonna be good for business)
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To: NYer

Sarah was right.


4 posted on 12/30/2011 7:34:53 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Gimme that old time fossil fuel.)
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To: NYer

Units that have served in Congress are exempted.


5 posted on 12/30/2011 7:35:20 AM PST by DManA
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To: NYer

Defective “units” must be terminated for the good of rest...


6 posted on 12/30/2011 7:37:58 AM PST by njslim
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To: NYer

“Units.”

So, we’re reduced to that. We really are heading down the inexorable path to communism, aren’t we?


7 posted on 12/30/2011 7:41:15 AM PST by ScottinVA (I miss America.)
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To: NYer
Repeat after me:

The evil muslim obama!!!!

The sooner we get this vile muslim-Nazi mass-murderer out of office, the better!!!! Repeal ALL obama legislation (especially DeathCare and that financial law), and put obama, Soros, and all who designed, pushed through, or helped carry out the vile, murderous DeathCare law on trial, and make them face the death penalty!!!!

8 posted on 12/30/2011 7:42:33 AM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: NYer

If a neurosurgeon ever tells me that about a loved one,,,, ill just ask them what treatment they would perform if they were working on the parent of a homicidal sociopath who only cared about their parent.


9 posted on 12/30/2011 7:43:03 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: NYer

Wasn’t is Obama who said sometimes you just have to give Grandman a pain pill and let her go home and die? Yes, it was.


10 posted on 12/30/2011 7:43:29 AM PST by circlecity
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11 posted on 12/30/2011 7:44:55 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: NYer

Non-congressional units over 70 will receive comfort care.


12 posted on 12/30/2011 7:46:38 AM PST by Brownie63
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To: ScottinVA

With Obamacare all politics will be reduced to agitating for a marginal increase in ‘coverage’ and Big Brother may even appear to grant that wish from time to time. Of course it will be the democrats who will be playing ‘Santa’ and only when they are seriously challenged at the ballot box.


13 posted on 12/30/2011 7:48:22 AM PST by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: NYer

Let’s see…when my mother was about 72 she got the most pernicious type of uterine cancer. She had a hysterectomy, chemo and was cured. At about 84 she got breast cancer, again, the type most likely to spread. She had a mastectomy and chemo and was cured. At 92 she broke her hip and it was replaced. Six weeks later she was walking without a walker or cane. It’s hard for me to keep up with her when she shops and she’s now 95.

Since I was a child she did exercises for an hour just after rising in the morning. Breakfast was on the table and lunches packed by the time I got up. I asked her once why she exercised so hard and she said, “I don’t want to depend on anybody when I get old. I want to stay active and productive until the day I die.”

We just had a great Christmas. I can’t tell you how grateful I am to have her still in my life. Are you telling me that if we go to Obamacare that everybody’s parents will most likely die when the first treatable illness hits? What a tragedy for all the families who will unnecessarily lose their loved ones decades earlier than they would if we didn’t have Obamacare.

A friend from England told me, “If you have a serious problem, you pack off to the United States where it can be treated in the same day. Otherwise you flirt with death.” So much for socialized medicine.


14 posted on 12/30/2011 7:48:44 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: NYer

While I believe this is the liberal intent, I will wait for PROOF before attacking.

We have been setup before.


15 posted on 12/30/2011 7:50:22 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: NYer

OK all you Seniors like myself. Especially you who think Obama is looking out for you. Wake up and smell the Roses. This is the Democrat way of taking care of Social Security.


16 posted on 12/30/2011 7:50:36 AM PST by E.K. Crossbow
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To: NYer

Two important notes. First of all, this only applies to those people on Medicare. If you have the money to afford neurological care, you can still buy it, but the administration has decided that older people without money are expendable.

Second, it should be noted that this places the elderly on Medicare on the same level as the poor on Medicaid. The difference being that the elderly on Medicare involuntarily paid for years for their benefits, and the poor didn’t.

This being the case, it opens up an opportunity for “elderly neurological insurance”, private insurance that is strictly in case of filling the gap if you are elderly and have a neurological problem.

That is, if the government allows it. I think the bottom line is that the government has said it wants elderly people to die. As horrific and unreal as it sounds, they do want this.

You’ll notice that recently, there have been several government announcements to the effect that doctors should discontinue routine diagnostic tests for things like breast and prostate cancer, that will be lethal if not detected.

A cynical person could point out that this is just a means to *increase* mortality rate among people who would otherwise have diseases that could be treated, but are expensive to treat.


17 posted on 12/30/2011 7:50:55 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: NYer

We need to verify this story. If true, this is a crime against humanity.


18 posted on 12/30/2011 7:51:58 AM PST by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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To: NYer
Reminds me of the old movie, "Logan's Run".

Before long, I'll have a blinking light in the palm of my hand telling me my life is over.

19 posted on 12/30/2011 7:55:36 AM PST by CAluvdubya (My preferred taglines are not in the running...)
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To: NYer

Obama has found a way to bail out the failing Social Security and Medicare. Kill the people on it.


20 posted on 12/30/2011 7:59:40 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: NYer

Bump for later.


21 posted on 12/30/2011 7:59:59 AM PST by Springman (Rest In Peace YaYa123 and Bahbah.)
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To: NYer
Damn! I'm under the care of a neurologist and in a few short years I'll hit three score and ten, God willing. I object in most strenuous terms to being designated as a "unit." This is but another example of the Left's framing the debate through the use of arbitrary and inaccurate definitions. At the other end of the lifestream, they refuse to recognize the personhood of a child in utero and at the close of life they do precisely the same thing. I suppose the retarded will be next on the list. Where will it end?

Etiam non princeps sed usque ad genua, Principis Pacis!
22 posted on 12/30/2011 8:01:26 AM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: NYer
Assumption based on hearsay does not have much credibility.
23 posted on 12/30/2011 8:04:10 AM PST by verity (The Obama Administration is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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To: NYer

Let’s see…when my mother was about 72 she got the most pernicious type of uterine cancer. She had a hysterectomy, chemo and was cured. At about 84 she got breast cancer, again, the type most likely to spread. She had a mastectomy and chemo and was cured. At 92 she broke her hip and it was replaced. Six weeks later she was walking without a walker or cane. It’s hard for me to keep up with her when she shops and she’s now 95.

Since I was a child she did exercises for an hour just after rising in the morning. Breakfast was on the table and lunches packed by the time I got up. I asked her once why she exercised so hard and she said, “I don’t want to depend on anybody when I get old. I want to stay active and productive until the day I die.”

We just had a great Christmas. I can’t tell you how grateful I am to have her still in my life. Are you telling me that if we go to Obamacare that everybody’s parents will most likely die when the first treatable illness hits? What a tragedy for all the families who will unnecessarily lose their loved ones decades earlier than they would if we didn’t have Obamacare.

A friend from England told me, “If you have a serious problem, you pack off to the United States where it can be treated in the same day. Otherwise you flirt with death.” So much for socialized medicine.


24 posted on 12/30/2011 8:04:18 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Erik Latranyi

No setup, I heard the audio of the Levin program concerning this.

Levin stated that they had “checked out” the Dr. and he was legit.

Have no doubt it is as described.

FUBO!


25 posted on 12/30/2011 8:05:52 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: NYer

The American Association of Neurological Surgeons (AANS) and the Congress of Neurological Surgeons (CNS) are saying it is false and the guy is probably not a neurological surgeon.

See: http://www.aans.org/pdf/AANS_News/Mark_Levin_Statement_FINAL.PDF


26 posted on 12/30/2011 8:10:45 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Gen.Blather
Are you telling me that if we go to Obamacare that everybody’s parents will most likely die when the first treatable illness hits?

Well, ..yes.

27 posted on 12/30/2011 8:12:21 AM PST by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent..)
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To: Honorary Serb
The evil muslim obama!!!!

The sooner we get this vile muslim-Nazi mass-murderer out of office, the better!!!! Repeal ALL obama legislation (especially DeathCare and that financial law), and put obama, Soros, and all who designed, pushed through, or helped carry out the vile, murderous DeathCare law on trial, and make them face the death penalty!!!!


Agreed. My parents are 73 (Mom) and 74 (Dad). I fear for them. I keep bringing this angle up, but if this goes through fully, what if they deny a Tony Soprano healthcare? It could easily be the wrong person as well. People do have families, friends, siblings, parents, children, etc who love them and if they tick off the wrong one(s), well let's put i this way, I would hate to be that bureaucrat.

If I was the bureaucrat, I would really fear that I could end up having a dead horse's head delivered to me. Everytime I get into my car, would it start or blow up? I'd better avoid dark allies and unfamiliar places too as well as not stay late at the office. I'd fear that every time the hone rings, I'd be met with the demand, "change your decision or you won't see your wife and/or kid(s) again. Oh yeah, kick in one 'Billlll-Yun' dollars and a Gulf Stream to Costa Rica too." What's that noise, is it the wind or it is Tony Soprano's nephew?

You could offer to pay me 1 million dollars a year for that job, I would not take it. The American people are sheep but you would end up creating a good number of rams when it it their loved ones at stake.

Let's put it this way, people die. Old people die. It is an unfortunate fact but until Jesus returns, it is a fact of life. However, we are given a precious gift from God called life and we must fight for it. Still there is a time when it is futile and death comes no matter what but it should be the decision made by the patient (or his family if he/she cannot) with input from their doctor(s). I lesser cases, if a procedure can give a better quality of life to a person, then it should not be denied. My grandfather was among the first to hit Omaha Beach and made it to Buchenwald. He fought against evil people like this, evil people who are now a part of our government.

BTW, Free Kosovo from NATO and the Mooslimbs!
28 posted on 12/30/2011 8:14:44 AM PST by Nowhere Man ("People should not fear their government, their government should fear the people." - V for Vendetta)
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To: NYer

It is a hoax but the really sad thing is that with the Obama regime, it is so easily believable.


29 posted on 12/30/2011 8:24:49 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: NYer; zot; Interesting Times

calling Dr. Krevorkian, calling Dr. krevorkian, please contact the neurological unit comfort section, a new requires your comforting now that he/she is age 70 years and 1 day


30 posted on 12/30/2011 8:45:13 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

As I see it, the goal of obamacare is to drive all private medical insurance companies either out of business or regulating them to cover only what obamacare permits and NOTHING more. Of course if you have enough money and can find a doctor who is not forbidden to treat private patients you might be in luck, but I seriously doubt that.


31 posted on 12/30/2011 8:50:23 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: NYer
The sooner they can kill off those pesky old folks who remember what a taste of freedom was like, who have the temerity to object to the stripping our youth of the Liberty we enjoyed, the sooner they can establish their totalitarian order.

Who, in 1960 would have willingly displayed their life over a universally accessible medium without any regard for even the modicum of privacy we considered 'decency'?

Yet the youth of today are programmed to do so, without even realizing what they have given up.

Why object to the State's invasion of privacy when you have given it up willingly?

And so many other issues..

32 posted on 12/30/2011 8:54:41 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Sarah was right.

Yep, she is.

33 posted on 12/30/2011 8:56:42 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Gen.Blather

Think about how much money they can save between medical care and social security benefits, but letting those over a certain age go without medical care for life-threatening conditions. I would not put it past the liberals to have a plan like this. Then they could tout how they were able to “save Social Security” (because so many elderly will be allowed to die).


34 posted on 12/30/2011 9:03:03 AM PST by NEMDF
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To: ConorMacNessa

Next stop: Aktion T4


35 posted on 12/30/2011 9:17:22 AM PST by Noumenon ("I tell you, gentlemen, we have a problem on our hands." Col. Nicholson-The Bridge on the River Qwai)
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To: circlecity

But I thought it was the “Evil Republicans” who want to starve and kill Grandma (and Grandpa too)!


36 posted on 12/30/2011 9:17:22 AM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: wagglebee

This is NOT the kind of stuff I like to hear right now (no pun intended) as I’m dealing with a possible inner ear/balance problem myself (have 5 appointments for various tests and doctors in early January). No neurologist referral as of yet, but that may change soon. I’m not looking forward to it - and I’m well aware what they do with sick people in places like Venezuela and Cuba and the former Soviet Union... I just can’t believe people are stupid enough to let our own US government’s Legislative Body get away with passing legislation as far away from the Constitutional Chains they are bound by as you can get - to interfere with people’s lives and health like that...

Sorry for the rant... This issue really drives me insane with worry and frustration!


37 posted on 12/30/2011 9:17:43 AM PST by LibertyRocks
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To: Noumenon
Precisely!

Etiam non princeps sed usque ad genua, Principis Pacis!
38 posted on 12/30/2011 9:30:31 AM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: SeaDragon

Ping


39 posted on 12/30/2011 9:44:50 AM PST by RikaStrom (Pray for Obama - Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few; and let another take his place of leadership.")
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To: NYer

WE knew this was coming.Wait until all of those kids who wanted this stand in the neonatal unit while they are tad that since ether first born is only a 23 week premie that they should just hold them until they pass....It will happen.In a lot of the world they don’t bother with anything prior to 24 weeks because it is too expensive.


40 posted on 12/30/2011 9:48:21 AM PST by chris_bdba
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To: NYer

WE knew this was coming.Wait until all of those kids who wanted this stand in the neonatal unit while they are told that since their first born is only a 23 week premie that they should just hold them until they pass....It will happen.In a lot of the world they don’t bother with anything prior to 24 weeks because it is too expensive.


41 posted on 12/30/2011 9:48:47 AM PST by chris_bdba
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To: Gen.Blather

“Are you telling me that if we go to Obamacare that everybody’s parents will most likely die when the first treatable illness hits?”

Yep, plus it is a fix for social securities ills. Its a two-fer....


42 posted on 12/30/2011 10:07:51 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: NYer

“Comfort Care Panel” not “Death Panel”. You’re just as dead, but it sounds friendlier.


43 posted on 12/30/2011 10:18:55 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: NYer; wagglebee; little jeremiah; Alamo-Girl
Huh, Francis Schaeffer predicted this in the 80s in Whatever Happened To The Human Race ?

I guess this leaves Obaama, Cass Sunstein, and Dawkins (now that Hitchens has bit the big one) as "acceptable sapient units".

Cheers!

44 posted on 12/30/2011 10:24:37 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: NYer
Of course, there will be immediate waivers granted to any highly connected person who needs this type of care.

What do I mean?

A direct blood relative of a politician is one such class. After the medical system needs access to our taxes don't they?

A direct blood relative of a media figure is another such class. After all the medical system needs a positive image doesn't it?

A direct blood relative of one of the “1%” is another such class. After all the medical system needs extra money to lobby Congress doesn't it?

Will some reader, lurker, poster please tell me what the differences between our future medical world and feudalism as practiced in Europa circa 1200 AD?

45 posted on 12/30/2011 11:23:59 AM PST by Nip (TANSTAAFL and BOHICA)
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To: NYer

The folks at DHS are busting their asses 24/7 to get all this implemented. I suspect there will be many surprises (like the document mentioned in this article) when the magic unveiling day comes. Get ready. Bend over!

Let us hope the SCOTUS acts like adults come Spring.


46 posted on 12/30/2011 11:48:40 AM PST by upchuck (Let's have the Revolution NOW before we get dumbed down to the point that we can't.)
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To: GreyFriar

If this abomination isn’t true now, it soon will be.


47 posted on 12/30/2011 12:02:36 PM PST by zot
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To: Gen.Blather
We just had a great Christmas. I can’t tell you how grateful I am to have her still in my life.

Thank you for sharing your grandmother's story with us. Looks like you come from a strong gene pool; hopefully you inherited from her side of the family.

God bless you grandmother and may she and all your family be blessed with a Healthy and Happy New Year!

48 posted on 12/30/2011 1:09:44 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer

I thought people became “units” at age 65 when this first came out. I just want to find out how many years I have left before unit-hood.


49 posted on 12/30/2011 4:33:10 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: Proud2BeRight; Texas Fossil; NYer

So which is it? Was the doc legit or not? And there was a nurse right after the doc basically confirming what he said. Was she legit or not as well? (I can’t do pdf right now.)


50 posted on 12/30/2011 4:40:06 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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