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HHS Says “Units” Over 70 Will Receive “Comfort Care” Instead Of Actual Neurological Care
Somewhat Reasonable ^ | December 29, 2011 | Kendall Antekeier

Posted on 12/30/2011 7:31:33 AM PST by NYer

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To: little jeremiah

In my opinion the Dr. was legit. Here is the audio of the phone conversation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=VNHWeTEvGU4

This clip does not mention the nurse.

You make up your own mind, but mine is made up. It is legit, if it were not, by now there would be huge retractions on the subject. There have been none.


51 posted on 12/30/2011 5:14:32 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: little jeremiah

And here is the opposing view:

http://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2011/12/30/2011s-last-viral-lie-about-health-reform/#more-35994

Bear in mind: the author is “Linda Bergthold and is a health policy consultant and a blogger for the Huffington Post. She has over twenty-five years of experience in health care and was a working group leader in Hillary Clinton’s Health Care Reform Task Force in 1993. She has been an advocate of health care reform for two decades in California and nationally.”


52 posted on 12/30/2011 5:54:40 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: NYer; verga; thesaleboat; Sick of Lefties; Chainmail; StrongandPround; lilyramone; ...
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53 posted on 12/30/2011 6:01:23 PM PST by narses
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To: ScottinVA

‘“Units.”

So, we’re reduced to that. We really are heading down the inexorable path to communism, aren’t we?’

Unfortunately, the answer seems to be “yes.” And it’s nearly more tragic, aside from the coming loss of life and liberty, that it will committed by the chicken-hearted. They’re seemingly collectively (appropriate word, no?) afraid of admitting their evil, other than in the dark of the night they strive to create for us all. Not just evil, but lily-livered evil. Weasels.


54 posted on 12/30/2011 6:48:23 PM PST by sayuncledave (et Verbum caro factum est (And the Word was made flesh))
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To: NYer
This I have seen up close. I have MS and can NOT buy reasonably affordable health care, nor do I have Obama care under the "preexisting conditions as promised the day OC was voted in effect.

He lied and death panels and death rules ARE in effect right now for folks like me. Believe it, it is all too real.
55 posted on 12/31/2011 1:10:47 AM PST by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: JSteff

I believe it. You only have to google it and look through the links....
http://www.google.com/search?q=Obama+who+said+sometimes+you+just+have+to+give+Grandman+a+pain+pill+and+let+her+go+home+and+die%3F+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a


56 posted on 12/31/2011 1:26:57 AM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: JSteff

BTW... God bless you friend. Prayers for you.


57 posted on 12/31/2011 1:27:41 AM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: JSteff
Oh, and MR. obama, if I am wrong, prove me to be a liar.
Give me obama care NOW! Go ahead make me the fool, order health are for me now. Pay off the over $35K in med bills from my last trip to the hospital last year. Pay off my med bills and medication I have payed over the last year.. $3000 a month paid out of pocket or with donations.

mr. obama, prove me wrong today! Do it publicly and make me look like a fool and a liar.
Right now I need to be back in the hospital as I am going through an MS attack and am getting worse by the day... so force me to have ANY type of health care as you promised over a year ago. YOU PROMISED, THE VIDEO IS ON YOU TUBE!
58 posted on 12/31/2011 1:27:57 AM PST by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: NYer; Noumenon

How long does it usually take a monsterous regime to go from “dehumanizing people” to disposing of “unwanted units”


59 posted on 12/31/2011 2:06:40 AM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks NYer.


60 posted on 12/31/2011 7:47:39 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: meadsjn

With respect to this one, not long, I’d say. They’re becoming more and more open about their aims by the day. They’re not even guarding their language like they used to.

People need to wake up and smell the killing fields that inhabit the imaginations of the ‘czars’ and ‘advisors’ behind the scenes of this regime.


61 posted on 12/31/2011 8:22:05 AM PST by Noumenon ("I tell you, gentlemen, we have a problem on our hands." Col. Nicholson-The Bridge on the River Qwai)
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To: sayuncledave
So, we’re reduced to that. We really are heading down the inexorable path to communism, aren’t we?’

No. We're headed for something far worse and even more monstrous.

62 posted on 12/31/2011 8:25:45 AM PST by Noumenon ("I tell you, gentlemen, we have a problem on our hands." Col. Nicholson-The Bridge on the River Qwai)
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To: Proud2BeRight
It is a hoax but the really sad thing is that with the Obama regime, it is so easily believable.

Really? Because I heard it live when the guy called in...

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63 posted on 12/31/2011 10:05:01 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: TLI

“Really? Because I heard it live when the guy called in...”

Go look at my post in #26.


64 posted on 12/31/2011 12:49:44 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Texas Fossil

Again, it is a hoax. Look at the statement by the American Association of Neurological Surgeons (AANS) and the Congress of Neurological Surgeons (CNS): http://www.aans.org/pdf/AANS_News/Mark_Levin_Statement_FINAL.PDF


65 posted on 12/31/2011 12:54:30 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Proud2BeRight

Ok, that is nice and all but I don’t believe this either...

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

Time will tell.

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66 posted on 12/31/2011 2:59:10 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Proud2BeRight
They did not say it was not discussed, they said there was no document. Legal weasel words.

The AANS and CNS are unaware of any federal government document directing that advanced neurosurgery for patients over 70 years of age will not be indicated and only supportive care treatment will be provided. Furthermore, in conducting our own due diligence, it appears that the caller who identified himself as a brain surgeon may not actually be a neurosurgeon, nor was there any session at the recent Congress of Neurological Surgeons’ scientific meeting in Washington, DC at which a purported government document calling for the rationing of neurosurgical care was discussed.

I simply do not believe the explanation, I also heard the live on the air interview.

67 posted on 12/31/2011 3:00:19 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: NYer

“a Health and Human Services (HHS) document, associated with the Obama Administration’s federal health law, will inhibit patients over the age of 70 from receiving neurological care.”

Those are unelected bureaucrats. They are making law that will result in premature deaths without even a pretense of constitutional procedure.

How did they get that power, and why are the American people not clamoring to take that power from them?

Enabling acts passed by congress give bureaucrats the authority to govern by fiat, without a single congresscritter having to take responsibility for anything done by, for instance, HHS, DOE, EPA, BATFE, DOI, etc.

This circumventing of the proper functioning of a representative republic is a serious and urgent problem. Perhaps one might even call it a crisis.


68 posted on 12/31/2011 5:05:06 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: TheBattman

“But I thought it was the “Evil Republicans” who want to starve and kill Grandma (and Grandpa too)!”

It’s a basic principle of communism: accuse others of what you do.


69 posted on 12/31/2011 5:10:35 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: NYer

This happens now. It just isn’t talkee about.


70 posted on 12/31/2011 5:42:41 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: NYer
Pinged from Terri Dailies


71 posted on 01/01/2012 11:54:12 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: NYer

So the elderly are called “units/” how personal.Unborn children hacked and mutilated at 50,000,000 plus and now dehumanizing the elderly one desensitized “PC” word at a time. Damn these people in power have to go. Please vote me in as a health care committee member, I was a psych nurse that should account for something. F*** these people.


72 posted on 01/12/2012 7:05:17 AM PST by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28, "...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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To: Proud2BeRight
Obama has found a way to bail out the failing Social Security and Medicare. Kill the people on it.

Well, when you have a society that condones murder of the unborn as a "right to privacy" or some such BS, this is its natural progression.

73 posted on 01/12/2012 7:10:18 AM PST by Marathoner ("Government is not reason. Government is not eloquence. It is force." George Washington)
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To: NYer
"Instead of receiving “advanced neurosurgical care,” “units,” (meaning patients), over 70 will receive care to make them “comfortable.”

As of 2012. If the patient is 40 today, he'll be seventy in 2042. By then the rationing will have gotten much worse and the evil of socialized medicine and playing God with people's lives will have ramped up even more. And instead of receiving ANY neurological care, the patient will receive care to make them "comfortable".

Those with illnesses today or life-long health concerns, better wake up and realize that the government holds their longevity in its hands. They may not live to be 70.

That's the entire point. As Orwell warned us, some people are more equal than others.

The government will simply let "some of us" die.

74 posted on 01/12/2012 7:14:06 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Real solidarity means coming together for the common good."-Sarah Palin)
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To: NYer

An 82 year old friend of mine is having knee replacement surgery in a few weeks. He’s in great pain right now. He’s a veteran and has paid his share of taxes throughout his life.

According to the government bean counters, once this nightmare of a system is in place, people with intractable knee pain should just shut up and “put some ice on it”.

Thank heavens this condition isn’t life threatening.


75 posted on 01/12/2012 7:31:14 AM PST by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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