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Obama Signs NDAA into Law. Last Pen Stroke of 2011.
Examiner ^ | December 31, 2011 | Jean Morrill

Posted on 12/31/2011 10:52:10 PM PST by Wiz-Nerd

According to the ACLU, President Barack Obama just signed one of the most controversial bills into law since the Patriot Act. The sad part is that neither the House nor the Senate nor Obama seemed to think it was all that controversial, as it passed overwhelmingly in both the House and the Senate, and the president just signed it (even though he had at one time threatened to veto).

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With God as our guide and Jesus at our side, liberty will prevail!
1 posted on 12/31/2011 10:52:17 PM PST by Wiz-Nerd
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To: Wiz-Nerd

With God as our guide and Jesus at our side, liberty will prevail!


Amen!


2 posted on 12/31/2011 10:55:05 PM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Wiz-Nerd
The modern equivalent of the Alien-Sedition acts.
3 posted on 12/31/2011 11:14:14 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Burke)
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To: Wiz-Nerd

And Amen!!!


4 posted on 12/31/2011 11:20:33 PM PST by ConservChristian
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To: lonevoice

ping


5 posted on 12/31/2011 11:23:06 PM PST by Pride in the USA
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To: fortheDeclaration

Weren’t the A&S acts a bit more specific in their definitions? I really don’t know...and haven’t read the text of this law to know how it defines a “suspect” subject to detention.


6 posted on 12/31/2011 11:39:29 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: fortheDeclaration

Weren’t the A&S acts a bit more specific in their definitions? I really don’t know...and haven’t read the text of this law to know how it defines a “suspect” subject to detention.


7 posted on 12/31/2011 11:39:29 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Wiz-Nerd.
8 posted on 12/31/2011 11:54:54 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Wiz-Nerd.
9 posted on 12/31/2011 11:55:08 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

HTML Malfunction!


10 posted on 12/31/2011 11:57:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: Wiz-Nerd

Cute. Always the smirky timing with this whoreson.


11 posted on 01/01/2012 12:28:22 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: Wiz-Nerd

FUBO

FUGOP

FUUSGOV

FUCONGRESS

FUUSSENATE

FULIBERALS

rot in hell, all of you.


12 posted on 01/01/2012 1:29:57 AM PST by madmaximus (Anyone But Robamney.)
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To: madmaximus

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. —That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, —That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”


13 posted on 01/01/2012 1:51:56 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: dagogo redux

Only time will tell if patriotic Americans can enforce that. :(


14 posted on 01/01/2012 2:20:47 AM PST by madmaximus (Anyone But Robamney.)
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To: madmaximus

I dream of the day I may see Obama on the witness stand defending himself from a treason charge.


15 posted on 01/01/2012 2:39:30 AM PST by Rapscallion (Do not even call him "president"...."Mister" will be more accurate.)
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To: Rapscallion

Amen.


16 posted on 01/01/2012 2:55:32 AM PST by exnavy (May the Lord bless and keep our troops.)
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To: Wiz-Nerd

He signed this when? Yesterday...last night...before he left for vacation? Or while in Hawaii?


17 posted on 01/01/2012 3:53:54 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: Wiz-Nerd

“Last Pen Stroke of 2011.”

He was waiting for the correctly-poisoned knife point to sign in patriots’ blood.

How do you like your dictator now, 0bots?

For the upcoming election propaganda to work, the opposition must be painted as racist or dangerous, with the outspoken to be detained ad infinitum. And, the internet communications of same must be suppressed.


18 posted on 01/01/2012 4:03:40 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Rapscallion
“I dream of the day I may see Obama on the witness stand defending himself from a treason charge.”

And unfortunately with our political system, inept congress and corrupt judiciary, that is what it will remain— A DREAM!

19 posted on 01/01/2012 4:04:52 AM PST by Shane (When Injustice Becomes Law, RESISTANCE Becomes DUTY.----T.Jefferson)
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To: Wiz-Nerd

Wow....well he did it, freakin’ last night! While on vacation in Hawaii. Of course with the House and Senate passing this one, Obama isn’t the only one that will have American blood on his hands in the future.


20 posted on 01/01/2012 4:06:20 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks Sunk. Several pages above the detainee section caught my eye. Something to do with the internet - called the “Ozone Widget Framework”. All the jargon they use - who knows WTH it means or refers to.

Sounds like a “spooky” name though.


21 posted on 01/01/2012 4:08:20 AM PST by 21twelve
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To: Recovering_Democrat

YOu could be considered a suspect just for posting in this forum....chilling feeling isn’t it comrade.


22 posted on 01/01/2012 4:10:02 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: EBH

See my post 21 - I wonder what that section is really all about? Hmm - ozone? Wonder if they picked up on the the FR “getting the Zot”, smell of ozone, etc.”


23 posted on 01/01/2012 4:20:41 AM PST by 21twelve
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To: Wiz-Nerd

Who ever wrote this bill deserves to be sent to gitmo, who ever endorsed this bill needs to be jailed.


24 posted on 01/01/2012 4:21:08 AM PST by yank in the UK (decapitation before capitulation)
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To: Wiz-Nerd
The Posse Comitatus Act is the United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385) that was passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction. Its intent (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) was to limit the powers of local governments and law enforcement agencies from using federal military personnel to enforce the laws of the land. Contrary to popular belief, the Act does not prohibit members of the Army from exercising state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order";

it simply requires that any orders to do so must originate with the United States Constitution or Act of Congress.

The statute only addresses the US Army and the US Air Force. It does not refer to, and thus does not implicitly apply to nor restrict units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States. The Navy and Marine Corps are prohibited by a Department of Defense directive, (self-regulation,) not by the Act itself.[1][2] Although it is a military force,[3] the U.S. Coast Guard, which now operates under the Department of Homeland Security, is also not covered by the Posse Comitatus Act

Posse Comitatus

Well, I guess they now have their authorization...

25 posted on 01/01/2012 4:21:23 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: 21twelve
Beginning on page 411 of the 35th Anniversary Edition of Atlas Shrugged:

"Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against - then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now, that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."

26 posted on 01/01/2012 4:29:06 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: Rapscallion

I WANT, DEMAND! JAIL TIME FOR THE HAVOC INFLICTED ON OUR COUNTRY BY THIS CRETAN AND HIS CLOWN POSSE


27 posted on 01/01/2012 4:44:17 AM PST by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Whatever 'rules' they have in place will be easily ignored.

This needs to be struck down by the SC.

28 posted on 01/01/2012 4:49:02 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Burke)
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To: Wiz-Nerd

Let us see...

A foreign terrorist captured on a foreign soil waging war on US troops should get a trial in a NYC civil court.

A US citizen who says something the president doesn’t like can be sent to Gitmo indefinilty.

This has got to be some sort of mental disorder.


29 posted on 01/01/2012 4:55:10 AM PST by CPOSharky (The only thing straight, white, Christian males get is the blame for everything.)
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To: combat_boots

“For the upcoming election propaganda to work, the opposition must be painted as racist or dangerous, with the outspoken to be detained ad infinitum. And, the internet communications of same must be suppressed.”

Exactly


30 posted on 01/01/2012 5:10:22 AM PST by WorkerbeeCitizen (I STAND WITH ISRAEL)
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To: CPOSharky

31 posted on 01/01/2012 5:17:20 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-Free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: Wiz-Nerd

“the Act legislatively codifies[6] the President’s authority to indefinitely detain terrorism suspects, including American **citizens**, without trial as defined in Title X, Subtitle D, SEC 1021(a-e) of the law.”

Guess this means he [Obama] will never have this act used against himself.


32 posted on 01/01/2012 5:19:14 AM PST by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: Wiz-Nerd
Article One, Section 9, clause 2 United States Constitution "The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it."

Title X, Subtitle D, SEC 1021(a-e) states:SEC. 1021. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE.

(a) In General- Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note) includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law of war.

(b) Covered Persons- A covered person under this section is any person as follows:

(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks.

(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.

(c) Disposition Under Law of War- The disposition of a person under the law of war as described in subsection (a) may include the following:

(1) Detention under the law of war without trial until the end of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force.

(2) Trial under chapter 47A of title 10, United States Code (as amended by the Military Commissions Act of 2009 (title XVIII of Public Law 111-84)).

(3) Transfer for trial by an alternative court or competent tribunal having lawful jurisdiction.

(4) Transfer to the custody or control of the person's country of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity.

Has Congress just declared that the "War on Terror" constitutes a rebellion or invasion under the Constitution, or have they merely declared that, as usual, they have no respect for the rule of law? Personally, I have no trouble with killing US citizens on the battlefield, nor do I have trouble with lawful trials if they are captured rather than killed. I have a huge problem with subverting the Constitution. Obama disgusts me, as do the vast majority of Congresscritters who failed to read and understand this offensive and unconstitutional bill, or who no longer care if their actions are compatible with the Supreme Law of the Land.

33 posted on 01/01/2012 5:50:31 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: yank in the UK

“Who ever wrote this bill deserves to be sent to gitmo, who ever endorsed this bill needs to be jailed.”

McCain was one of the authors. Traitorous man.


34 posted on 01/01/2012 6:04:37 AM PST by spaced
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To: Wiz-Nerd
God's prophetic plan continues to unfold.

This nation was formed by God. The founding fathers realized a divine vision.

Jude 1:4- ...For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God in to lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Because of this nations turn toward all kinds of deviant behavior, turning our backs on Israel and protecting Islam, God's not too happy with America. We are in decline.

Perhaps God is lifting His hand of providence from the nation he blessed.

Just sayin.

35 posted on 01/01/2012 6:07:58 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: spaced

For drafting this bill McCain deserves to be put into a jail cell with a few sexual predators, and little supervision from a guard that couldn’t care less.


36 posted on 01/01/2012 6:14:27 AM PST by yank in the UK (decapitation before capitulation)
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To: madmaximus

That about sums it up. The GOP is just as bad as the demos.


37 posted on 01/01/2012 6:24:23 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Wiz-Nerd

The NDAA is a big bill, what part are you commenting on? Please show text.


38 posted on 01/01/2012 6:46:39 AM PST by sr4402
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To: Wiz-Nerd

Doesnt matter noe...every GOP candidate save Paul would sign the same bill...but people here would rather have a police state than true liberty because of fear


39 posted on 01/01/2012 6:48:24 AM PST by Leader_Of_The _Conservatives (High time to bring back the true sons of liberty!!!!)
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To: madmaximus

You forgot the Democrats.......or did you, just sayin.


40 posted on 01/01/2012 6:57:24 AM PST by conservativesister
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To: Pollster1

What constitutes “an associated force”?


41 posted on 01/01/2012 7:06:23 AM PST by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: EBH

“”Now, that’s the system, Mr. Rearden, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.”””

I know you’ve always known what you wanted but your game is up - because now we know it too!

JOHN GALT


42 posted on 01/01/2012 7:08:32 AM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: Excellence
What constitutes “an associated force”?

I worry that I know that answer:


43 posted on 01/01/2012 7:21:34 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Wiz-Nerd

What is really disturbing is not knowing if POTUS no 45 will do anything to overturn any of Barry’s actions. They all seem to be on the same page at this point.


44 posted on 01/01/2012 7:26:09 AM PST by Rappini (Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: Rapscallion

me too.


45 posted on 01/01/2012 7:58:15 AM PST by left that other site
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To: Wiz-Nerd; mrreaganaut

May God save us from these idiots.


46 posted on 01/01/2012 8:01:04 AM PST by reaganaut (Mormonism is all about glory to self, not Glory to God. - which explains Mitt Romney)
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To: sr4402

Do your homework, start with reading the full article. In the article it tells you the main concern is Section 1021. It tramples your 5th Amendment Rights.


47 posted on 01/01/2012 8:07:04 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: sr4402

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6ARkiJM2bA

Proof Obama will sign NDAA (S.1867) 1031 “American Citizen Indefinite Detention Law”

Senator Levin told Congress recently that under the original wording of the National Defense Authorization Act, American citizens were excluded from the provision that allowed for detention. Once Obama’s officials saw the text though, says Levin, “the administration asked us to remove the language which says that US citizens and lawful residents would not be subject to this section.”


48 posted on 01/01/2012 8:11:09 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: dagogo redux

Be careful - Posting radical ideas like that will bring you scrutiny from about a dozen alphabet agencies.


49 posted on 01/01/2012 8:16:48 AM PST by NY.SS-Bar9
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To: EBH

Martial Law + NDAA Snatch & Grab
http://youtu.be/iWlajbUCz8Y


50 posted on 01/01/2012 8:17:31 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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