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Iran Test Fires Second Missile In 24 Hours As Posturing Escalates
Zero Hedge ^ | 01/02/2012 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 01/02/2012 8:02:48 AM PST by SeekAndFind

As expected yesterday, when the US went out full bore with a Japan approach of McCollum-like strategy of leaving Iran no option but to keep escalating until finally the US has enough public support grounds for a response, in under 24 hours Iran has launched a second missile, this time not a medium-range SAM to a long-range shore-to-sea missile. Needless to say, the US 5th Navy is watching these quite welcome developments with great interest. From Reuters: "Iran said on Monday it had successfully test fired a long-range missile during its naval exercise in the Gulf, flexing its military muscle to show it could hit Israel and U.S. bases in the region if attacked. The announcement came amid rising tension over Iran's disputed nuclear programme which Western powers believe is working on developing atomic bombs. Tehran denies the accusation and last week said it would stop the flow of oil through the Strait of Hormuz if the West carried out threats to impose sanctions on its oil exports." At this point it is glaringly obvious to all but the most confused that the US is consistently pushing Iran to escalate further and further, until such time as the US ships stationed in Bahrain say enough and decide it is time to sink some boats.

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"We have test fired a long-range shore-to-sea missile called Qader (capable), which managed to successfully destroy predetermined targets in the Gulf," deputy Navy Commander Mahmoud Mousavi told the official news agency IRNA. Iran earlier said it would test fire two long-range missiles on Monday - Qader and another system called Nour (light) - to display its resolve to counter any attack by enemies such as Israel or the United States."

Where it gets interesting is that in what is a certain show of solidarity for Syria, Iran's Mousavi said observers from the country's closest Arab ally, Syria, would attend the last day of its 10-day naval exercise.

The rest is already well-known:

The European Union is considering a ban - already in place by the United States - on imports of Iranian crude.

 

The U.S. Fifth Fleet reacted to Iran's threat to stop oil flows, saying it will not allow any disruption of traffic in the Gulf.

 

The United States and Israel have not ruled out military action against Iran if diplomacy fails to resolve the Islamic state's nuclear row with the West.

 

Iran said it had no intention to close the Strait of Hormuz.

 

"No order has been given for the closure of the Strait of Hormuz. But we are prepared for various scenarios," state television quoted navy chief Habibollah Sayyari as saying.

Probably the best advice we have at this point is to keep an eye on what Goldman's commodity research group is saying: if they tell clients to dump Brent, we are probably minutes away from full out war. Until then, the foreplay will continue.



TOPICS: Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: iran; missile

1 posted on 01/02/2012 8:02:58 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Thisis all to make Zero look better. He’ll play tough but not place sanctions on Iran, then Iran will backoff and Zero will take credit for being tough.


2 posted on 01/02/2012 8:12:30 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: SeekAndFind

3 posted on 01/02/2012 8:13:13 AM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Zero’s planning his next vacation, he’s delegated other affairs.


4 posted on 01/02/2012 8:14:36 AM PST by duckman (Herman 2012 was Zero's worst night mare.)
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To: CodeToad

Posturing is the perfect word for this..


5 posted on 01/02/2012 8:15:09 AM PST by goseminoles
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To: goseminoles

Exactly, except this isn’t just bravado. It is designed to get those civlian ships to stay in port and cause havoc on the oil markets.


6 posted on 01/02/2012 8:22:56 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“If we fire them all, then the Great Satan can’t find them and blow them up. We will show them, Insh’allah.”


7 posted on 01/02/2012 8:30:18 AM PST by Molon Labbie (End the War On Drugs, Restore the Constitution.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Oil being fungible, sanctions from the West are no more than symbolic. Eastern nations will gladly buy the Iranian oil while the West is buying Saudi oil. Net effect? More or less nil.


8 posted on 01/02/2012 8:36:02 AM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Certainly we are not backing Iran into the Corner the Japanese were backed into prior to WW2.

Iran has choices. All they need do is stop building the weapon they have promised to destroy Israel with.

The thesis of this story is a boatload.


9 posted on 01/02/2012 9:10:01 AM PST by Venturer
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To: SeekAndFind

Certainly we are not backing Iran into the Corner the Japanese were backed into prior to WW2.

Iran has choices. All they need do is stop building the weapon they have promised to destroy Israel with.

The thesis of this story is a boatload.


10 posted on 01/02/2012 9:10:08 AM PST by Venturer
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To: SeekAndFind

They can’t build refineries to make their own gasoline, but they sure like their bottle rockets.


11 posted on 01/02/2012 9:35:49 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blueunicorn6

Meanwhile, our boys and girls on the big love boat, the USS John Stennis, are making out in the rope lockers like there’s no tomorrow.


12 posted on 01/02/2012 10:04:11 AM PST by Sundog (When Hollywood defines reality there is no reality.)
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To: Sundog

Is Julie on that boat? I liked Julie. She was pretty in a cute sort of way. I used to dream about being stuck in a lifeboat with her. I’ll bet she’s a Captain by now. Oh, Julie....give me the orders that I’ve longed to hear. I’d batten down her hatches.


13 posted on 01/02/2012 10:29:30 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Venturer
Certainly we are not backing Iran into the Corner the Japanese were backed into prior to WW2.

Eh? What corner would that be?

The Japanese were an expansionist nation prior to WWII. They had invaded China in the 1930s and had taken over and militarized many of the Pacific Islands, including the Philippines, and then bombed our Pacific fleet at Pearl Harbor. What corner were they backed into to cause that?

14 posted on 01/02/2012 11:38:29 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: CodeToad

Exactly. NoBama is an utter and complete failure. The NWO is an utter and complete failure and the idiots in charge of their respective nations that bought into this shit are utter and complete failures.


15 posted on 01/02/2012 11:49:23 AM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
What corner were they [the Japanese]backed into to cause that?

FDR's sanctions deprived Japan of the resources it needed to wage an offensive war. That gave the Japanese two options: 1. Stop its expansionism, or 2. Seize the resources it needed to wage an offensive war, by expanding its offensive war. I don't think FDR bears any responsibility because the Japanese chose to expand their war. I think that FDR, and his civilian and military advisers, bear a lot of responsibility for not adequately preparing for what would happen if the Japanese chose option 2.

16 posted on 01/02/2012 12:00:32 PM PST by Pilsner
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To: Pilsner
I had forgotten about FDR cutting off the oil to Japan. I guess that does make this a similar situation.

There is an excellent book titled The New Dealers' War: The war within WWII by Thomas Freeman. He makes a compelling case that FDR got into the war and fought it in a way to save Joe Stalin's butt. Hitler had attacked him from the west and Japan was posing a threat on the eastern front. Freeman says that FDR had outfitted an old sailing ship with a cannon, put in under an American flag, put a young Navy Lt in charge, making it a U.S. warship, and sailed it into Japanese waters trying to instigate an incident with Japan to give us the excuse to enter the war. Japan saved him the trouble and attacked Pearl Harbor but never spotted the sailing ship.

As we have learned since, there were lots of Communists and Communist sympathizers in FDR's administration. Additional pressure was exerted by his wife.

17 posted on 01/02/2012 1:14:04 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: Pilsner

How can you step up your offensive war if you’re deprived of the means to do so?


18 posted on 01/02/2012 3:14:54 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: CodeToad

Iran isn’t going to play ball with Obama like that. Doesn’t fit the plan of bringing the Mahdi back.


19 posted on 01/02/2012 3:16:35 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Mind-numbed Robot; Pilsner
The Nips wanted war and went to war with the US to protect their genocidal war against China. They could have made a deal with the Dutch for oil, but were too busy trying to carve up Euriopean colonies.

And if you think that the Japanese were right to attack us, you had better hope we never meet. I may ask for your property or goods at whatever price I want, and when you refuse shoot you and take it. And unless you are a hypocrite, you would have no grounds to complain.

20 posted on 01/02/2012 3:39:16 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

“I had forgotten about FDR cutting off the oil to Japan. I guess that does make this a similar situation.”

You have earned your nickname. This is NOT a “similar situation” as we are not actively using that oil to plunder and wage war against nations like Japan was doing to China when the western nations denied Japan military vital raw materials to continue waging war.

You need to study history.


21 posted on 01/02/2012 4:47:03 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
Ever hear of the Rape of Nanking?

John Rabe, the top-ranking Nazi liaison to the Imperial Japanese government, was so appalled by what he saw that he personally wrote a letter to Adolf F*CKING Hitler for intervention on HUMANITARIAN grounds.

Learn some more history before you completely discredit yourself.

22 posted on 01/02/2012 5:24:11 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Olog-hai
How can you step up your offensive war if you’re deprived of the means to do so?

You invade the Anglo-Dutch colonies in Indonesia/Malaysia, and seize their oil, rubber, tin and rice. Of course the US will go to war if you do that. So you first launch what you hope is a knock out blow at the US Pacific Fleet in Pearl Harbor.

23 posted on 01/02/2012 8:06:56 PM PST by Pilsner
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To: rmlew
And if you think that the Japanese were right to attack us, you had better hope we never meet

Did I say that? I said that that when you put another country in a position where its political leadership has to either 1. publicly give in to your demands, which will undoubtedly cost them their careers, and in 1941 Japan very possibly their lives, or 2. go to war, you really ought to be very prepared for the other guy choose what is behind curtain number 2. Even if you think, correctly that in the long wrong run, it will be a disastrous choice. In the short term, expanding the war made the War Party leadership heroes in Japan. Short term thinking is very popular with politicians in a fix.

24 posted on 01/02/2012 8:18:23 PM PST by Pilsner
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To: grey_whiskers; rmlew; CodeToad; Venturer; Pilsner

Wow! I make an innocent comment and grey_whiskers, rmlew, and Code Toad come out of the jungle like jackals on the attack. I simply asked Venturer what corner the Japanese were backed into prior to WWII and Pilsner answered about the embargo on supplies to which I replied that perhaps there are similarities between that and the sanctions against Iran presently. Then Pilsner and I get blasted and I am called ignorant of history. How did Venturer escape your wrath? He started the whole mess. :-)

You guys apparently overlooked my post #14 in your eagerness to label me as a dunce. grey_whiskers, since I have admired and complemented you on your posts on other threads I expected more from you. I guess I am as ignorant of people as I am history.

Correction: The book I mentioned is authored by Thomas Fleming, not Thomas Freeman. There is another good book about that era titled Brute. It is about a remarkable man named Victor Krulak who was only 5’4”, 120 pounds, and he would have become the Commandant of the Marine Corps but for LBJ’s ego and vindictiveness. His third son, Charles C. Krulak did become Commandant, 1995-1999, his first son, Victor, Jr., was a Commander and Chaplain in the Navy and his other son was a Lt. Col. and Medic/Chaplain in the Marine Corps.

Although I was a child I lived through WWII and had several family members in the Army and Marines. News of and interest in the war was thick around my house. I do know a little bit about that time despite your opinions.


25 posted on 01/03/2012 8:59:15 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

Some of us have read “Day of Deceit” and “The New Dealer’s War” and think the authors are blinded by ideology and cherry pick facts and misconstrue others to fabricate support for a position.


26 posted on 01/03/2012 10:43:05 AM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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27 posted on 01/03/2012 12:08:28 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot; Pilsner

I don’t mind takeing the blame , but actually if you read the first sentence in the article that is where it started I quote:
“As expected yesterday, when the US went out full bore with a Japan approach of McCollum-like strategy of leaving Iran no option but to keep escalating until finally the US has enough public support grounds for a response,”

Actually Pilsner gave a good synopsis of my own opinion, and I saw nothing nasty in his Post. He was trying to be informative. That’s what these Posts are about opinions.

I hadn’t answered your Post because I figured it would pass and I didnt want to spend an evening going back and forth about differing opinions.

Japan was a belligerent nation in Asia just as Germany was belligerent in Europe. Roosevelt wanted in the European war so bad he could taste it and did many things illegally in order to enable England and Russia to survive until he got in He also squeezed Japan. Now I have no problem with his doing that nor with our entry into those wars, but to deny he put the squeeze on Japan, IMO is wrong.

To be squeezing Japan and not paying attention as their Navy dissappeared for a week, and aftercwarnings by Billy Mitchell and others of Pearl Harbor and it’s weakness was either terribly reckless or done on purpose.

I guess that will start another argument over opinions.


28 posted on 01/03/2012 4:16:53 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer

I understood what you were saying. I drug you into the mud only because Pilsner and I were misunderstood and pilloried by others.


29 posted on 01/03/2012 4:29:21 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

You have been here since 1998, you should be used to getting pilloried and Misunderstood by now. LOL.


30 posted on 01/03/2012 5:21:32 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Mind-numbed Robot; Venturer
You guys apparently overlooked my post #14 in your eagerness to label me as a dunce. grey_whiskers, since I have admired and complemented you on your posts on other threads I expected more from you. I guess I am as ignorant of people as I am history.

I'm sorry that I offended you, MNR.

But merely describing what Japan did in China as "invading" is a gross mis-statement: the Japanese got their start on crimes against humanity in WW II long before the Nazis did.

(That being said, it should be noted that international standards have *fallen* since then. Look at the genocides in Rwanda and atrocities elsewhere in Africa, and all that happens is that pop stars record a hit song so they can say "they made a difference"...) Not to mention CNN playing Walter Duranty to Sadaam Hussein's Stalin, in order to maintain coverage rights in Iraq. Will future generations throw rocks at us for allowing these things to go unchallenged?

...and speaking of "unchallenged", you are quite right about Venturer. So let me respond to him as well:

You dipwad, you done and gone and went and made me flame the wrong person and get all into trouble.

Please note that Japan committed atrocities so beyond the pale in Nanking, that John Rabe (a Nazi party member during the sack of the city) ended up writing personally to ADOLPH HITLER on HUMANITARIAN grounds for help, and got arrested by the Gestapo for his trouble.

Methinks Japan did a hell of a lot to deserve what they got.

(BTW, to both of you. When the the Flying Tigers start in Burma?)

g_w

31 posted on 01/03/2012 5:28:12 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

I never made you flame anyone you did a good job of that all on your own.

I see you are sorry for offending MNR, but you don’t mind tossing a sh*t sandwich my way.

No problem,,I am used to it.

And Yes we all read the Rape of Nan King.


32 posted on 01/03/2012 6:27:24 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer; Mind-numbed Robot
I never made you flame anyone you did a good job of that all on your own.

The extra-folksy language on my part was an attempt at humor, following on MNR's pointing at your origination of the controversial topic.

I'm having a bad thread. I'll just stop digging.

Cheers!

33 posted on 01/03/2012 6:33:44 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Like I said, it’s no problem. I am used to it.

LOL.


34 posted on 01/03/2012 6:50:24 PM PST by Venturer
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To: grey_whiskers
I'm having a bad thread. I'll just stop digging.

I think you recovered well. At least well enough for an ignorant old man.

:-)

35 posted on 01/04/2012 10:02:43 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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