SANTORUM / MARTINEZ 2012
Newt can go back the couch with Nancy.
Posted on 01/04/2012 10:11:00 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
On Wednesday morning, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich told radio talk show host Laura Ingraham he could "absolutely" see himself teaming up with former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum to beat Mitt Romney.
"Of course," Gingrich said. "Rick and I have a 20-year friendship. We were both rebels, we both came into this business as reformers, we both dislike deeply the degree to which the establishment sells out the American people. We both think Washington has to be changed in very fundamental ways, and we have lots of things that fit together. And the thing that’s interesting is if you take the votes, you add to that Perry and Bachmann, you begin to see the size of the conservative vote compared to Romney…if you take, you know, Santorum and Perry and Bachmann and Gingrich you get some sense of what a small minority Romney really represents.."
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As much as i personally like Santorum and can’t stand the sight of Gingrich I have a tough time going against my personal belief of supporting another US senator for president.
McCain,Dole,Edwards,Kerry,Lieberman,Gore ,obama whatever happened to statehouse guys ?
The sooner we start looking at people that know how to govern instead of just blabber on the Senate floor we will be getting a dysfunctional government. Everyday I wake up and wonder how we as a nation got stuck with this lot of candidates, it is truly pitiful that in the last 2 election cycles we are stuck with little inspiration.
“In 2008, would we have voted for Palin with McCain as VP?”
Palin? Yes, absolutely. But I doubt she would’ve had McCain as a running mate. Hypothetically, she’d be able to pick a much better running mate.
Making this primary about beating Romney benefits Romney. 95U of primary voters aren`t sitting around grumbling about the country club Republicans and the RNC [though to me they are indeed the problem]. They look at what`s going on and see Romney as the subject, while everyone who`s been floated as his rival has fallen. Negative ads are only bitched about when they hurt ME.
The way to stop Mitt is by having a Republican candidate who is UNASHAMEDLY and STRONGLY conservative both socially and fiscally, with a proven track record of leadership, winning elections and the kind of positive view of America. That candidate would attract voters who want that vision to guide America. Newt being against negativity until he decides its ok ain`t gonna cut it.
“It’s a long process. We’ll see.”
And it should be entertaining, as well. I just hope we don’t allow the left to, yet again, choose our nominee for us.
And I still think the Newt could be much more effective if freed from the constraints of the top job. I hope his ego will allow him to see this, if he really puts the health of our country before his personal ambition.
LOL. Based on what?
Also, where were you when he was blasting only Obama and his record and not attacking the other republicans? Damn if he does, damn if he don't huh.
95U = 95% Sorry for typos, stuck with the cellphone for Internetting.
I’m good.
out of the remaining field there is only one candidate that..
Lead a conservative revolution... held a flaming lib president in check.....reformed welfare and forced the flaming lib president to sign it... was perfectly willing to shut down the government to further the conservative agenda, and is capable of telling the msm to go to hell, with no uncertain terms....
“Santorum’s 15 mins is just about up. He’d be wise to tag up with Newt.”
On the contrary, he’d be unwise to do so. One of Santorum’s main selling points is that he doesn’t approve of perversion.
it was a straw poll that saw our last nominee finish in 6th place there.. SC will pick the next nominee
And that is the truth. Conservatives won 75% of the vote in Iowa yesterday, and the liberal won (technically) with 25%.
That is exactly the game plan from Romney. The best way to defeat the conservatives is to have them at each others' throats.
I trust they know that. If I know it, then they surely know it.
Newt can go back the couch with Nancy.
“BillyBoy” is the brand name of condoms.
Your frequent “scumbag” language often reminds me of that.
How conservative are you really?
That would be an awesome ticket. The Rats would crap their pants.
“Perry supported both Gore and Giuliani in the past.”
Yes, and Reagan was a Democrat once.
Perry has a long-standing dislike for Romney, dating back to Romney’s decision not to allow the Boy Scouts in the 2002 Olympics opening ceremonies. Perry believes it was because of their decision to bar homosexuals.
Exactly. Early push polls and straw polls do not decide the nominee. Primaries and caucuses do. That's why I didn't jump the bandwagon when freepers were going "OMG!!! Rick Perry is polling #1 in US rite now!!! The election is OVER!" and "The Cain Train is UNSTOPPABLEEEEE!" Santorum's the only one thus far who's surge has translated into actual votes. "Front runner" Newt was polling #1 throughout December and won a distant 4th place on election day, falling to carry a single county. Somehow his fan club here has convinced themselves Newt did a good job when his got his butt kicked by a 80 year old libertarian kook.
>> SC will pick the next nominee <<
Is this the Newt talking point of the week? "Iowa caucus winners are flukes, South Carolina picks the President" Well, that's news to our last two Presidents, both Barack Obama and George W. Bush were non-incumbents who started off by winning Iowa. On the flip side, Jesse Jackson Sr. and John Edwards won the "first in the south" South Carolina primary. I don't recall them getting nominated.
I don’t have a problem with him running negative ads. He needs to stop whining about it. You don’t see any other candidate complaining do you? If he really wanted to hurt Romney he’d get out of the race and endorse Santorum.
Agreed! if Newt could be THAT unselfish, I’d like him! Pave the way for Santorum / conservatives / tea partiers to CLEAN UP the GOP. Rinos need not apply — go become what you are, The Moderate Party. The Squishes.
Damn, you've got Jim Rob down to a T. LOL
That was great :-)
Hypothetically, Santorum would be able to pick a much more conservative running mate than Gingrich.
Newt would be ahead if, instead of calling other candidates liars, he would point out the positive about himself and the negative about B. Obama. People are most concerned about choosing somebody who can beat B. Obama.
Gingtorum? I can dig that!
Lost what? The Iowa Caucus? Iowa hasn't predicted the eventual Republican nominee in ages. As a matter of fact, it's nearly become the kiss of death to win it.
McCain took 4th place in the 2008 Iowa Caucus. Same as Newt just did. The real primary begins in South Carolina. If Newt loses that, or if Santorum beats all the odds and wins it, then we'll talk about Gingrich "losing".
Interesting. I've never seen "BillyBoy" condoms. I've seen a lot of Trojan condoms for sale but I wouldn't assume a freeper with the screename "Trojan" was referring to the condoms instead of the Greek warriors.
BillyBoy's is also the name of a popular (and delicious) BBQ restaurant here in the Chicago area. Of course my screenname isn't referring to them, ether. What's your point?
By contrast, "Berlin" was the headquarters of the NAZI regime in Germany. It can refer to a lot of things too.
>> How conservative are you really? <<
Well, let's see... one time I took a political ideology test and I believe I scored a 93% conservative rating. When I took a test determining what kind of conservative I am, I ended up right on the middle of the spectrum between "Neo-conservative" and "Paleo-conservative". I'm pro-life, pro-gun, pro-traditional family, pro-freedom of religion, pro-ANWR drilling, pro-smaller government at ALL levels (federal, state, and local), pro-tax cuts, pro-reducing spending, pro-troops, and anti-illegal immigration. I've been on FR over a decade and don't like freepers who suck up to RINOs like Lisa Murkowski, backstabbers like Newt Gingrich, or liberal Democrats like Joe Lieberman (or when they pretend a staunch FDR New Deal worshiper like John F. Kennedy was "more conservative than today's Republicans")
Why do you ask? I'm not sure why my post questioning a politician's conservatism would make you question my conservatism. I won't be cutting global warming ads with Nancy Pelosi any time soon.
2000 Iowa Republican caucus
George W. Bush (41%)
Steve Forbes (31%)
Alan Keyes (14%)
Gary Bauer (9%)
John McCain (5%)
Orrin Hatch (1%)
I guess if we define "ages" as "the most recent Republican to win the white house", your statement would be correct. Bush won the 2000 and 2004 Iowa caucus. And of course, the most recent Democrat to win the White House (who is in power right now), started his presidential campaign with a upset victory over Hillary Clinton in the Iowa caucus.
I would agree if Gingrich fans said "the Iowa caucus winner doesn't necessarily win the nomination", but instead they're claiming that Iowa "only produces flukes" and "no Iowa winner has won the nomination in ages" when it reality about 2/3rds of the Presidential nominees started with a victory in Iowa, including the 2 most recent presidents (Obama & George W. Bush).
I doubt Perry would go with Romney and like all back stabbing Rinos, Mittens does not play in the sand box well with conservatives.
Well, of course he won the 2004 Iowa Caucus. He was the incumbent president and de facto nominee. I'm just wondering, though, what the track record of the Iowa Caucus looks like before the year 2000.
Does your theory hold up before then? I haven't googled to find the answer.
Perhaps not, unless they frequently use "scumbag" type language like you use.
>>By contrast, "Berlin" was the headquarters of the NAZI regime in Germany. It can refer to a lot of things too.<<
And perhaps you could, if I used such language on a conservative forum akin to your "scumbag" posts to remind you of such.
>>Why do you ask? I'm not sure why my post questioning a politician's conservatism would make you question my conservatism. I won't be cutting global warming ads with Nancy Pelosi any time soon.<<
I very specifically called into question your use of "scumbag" as being conservative against Gingrich (who happens to have been positively supported by Jim Robinson).
If you are going to use "scumbag" language on a Conservative forum then I don't see how you can be surprised when you get confronted about such language.
As far as Gingrich being pictured with Pelosi... Gingrich had admitted it was the dumbest thing he has recently done. You might want to attack the man on something he defends rather than waste peoples time harping on something that Gingrich agrees with you, was wrong to do.
Now I have a question for you... I posted specifically to you, so why are you pinging these people: Clintonfatigued; fieldmarshaldj; Impy...?
Santorum/Gingrich 2012!!!
I’ve been telling friends for a while that the conservatives need to knock it off with the circular firing squad! This is how RINO’s get in—by letting the rest of us shoot each other in our lust for perfection.
“Santorum’s 15 mins is just about up.”
Agreed. Santorum is only at 8% in the Gallup poll today. After NH he will be back down to about 3%. Newt will take the gloves off Sat night and start jabbing Willard where it hurts. Newt with Santorum as VP would be a good ticket. They would crucify Barry in the general election.
So when is Newt dropping out and endorsing Santorum?
Maybe you should post a thread about that and then maybe you would find out?
I agree.
Like you, I was watching CNN last night where Ari Fleischer condemned Newt, and some other woman called him an angry pi-pa.
I think Newt’s inntellect is his best asset, and it works even better on offence.
Compare that to when Perry tried to confront Mitt.
Newt can, and hopefully, will tear the pretender apart.
Hopefully for a Gingrich gain, but if not it does ALL consevative candidates a favour including Santorum.
Personally, I warming to Santorum - particularly his blue collar focus on jobs and security. Which includes family values etc.
Cheers.
Gingrich/Santorum?
How come the guy huge who blew a decisive lead and came in 4th is on the top of your ticket? That’s silly.
I must concur with the Trojan man, Newt would not be a good VP choice either. The last thing you want in a VP is baggage. Let’s be honest here, he doesn’t want to be VP anyway.
If by “team up” he means he’ll spend his money to tenderize Romney then I’m all for that.
Why did he ping me?
Do you never ping FRiends? I will never understand this.
Me too. But I vascilate, because I can’t read the tea leaves. Do I coalesce too early for Santorum when it’s Newt who can kick the door in and beat Obama?. Wait too long to coalesce for NEWT, and maybe its Santorum who can knock out Romney? Is the media going to keep us sniping at one another’s candidate, Santorum and Gingrich, who are both critically cash strapped compared to Romney?
In my heart and head, I believe the North will not tolerate a religious candidate like Santorum, who does verbally
T-bow the opposition, so far. And, am I a horrible Christian for fearing such a thing that I believe would give us Obama?
I like Santorum too and he is a fresh face, young and energetic. Heck, maybe Newt is prepared to sacrifice himself for Rick’s benefit, by saying that he is going after Mitt. Usually you want your surrogates (Super PAC) doing that dirty work, so you can keep your nose clean, but who can do the job so superbly as Newt? If he roars, it is apt to hurt his numbers elsewhere, but it will help Santorum.
Color me confused. But, NO ROMNEY. (I’m not confused about that.)
cheers to you, for ‘12.
I believe you’re right about that absorption factor.
Santorum clearly won by losing by only eight! Hopefully, we can un-tie some of Romney’s backers IF we can ever convince them that we are going to keep his ceiling in the basement until we get our conservative candidate up and running!
” One on one with Santorum, Newt is the senior player. “
Newt is leading in Florida, and South Carolina IS his back yard. He should take South Carolina, and with some money, keep Florida. Romney PAC has already geared up the same successful smear operation of Iowa against NEWT, now in Florida. Newt has to have money.
Romney and Obama camps have to DREAD a Newt nomination. He has rolled them many, many times before.
Honey, Newt doesn’t need any pants at all to roll Democrats. Check out 1994 and get a clue. Newt has broken them many, many times over. Why do you think the Marxists, Liberals, Democrats, Republican Establishment and ALL beltway media despise him? He remains HELL on wheels and hasn’t even played his hand yet. They know it.
teddyballgame has been released.
As you are aware, politics makes for strange bedfellows.
It could be that while Gingrich and Santorum overtly team-up to attack Romney... Perry covertly joins Romney by simply attacking Gingrich and Santorum while NOT attacking Romney.
Then when the dust settles and Romney is left standing and needs to unite the party, he names Perry as Vice President.
This is what I fear could happen.
I hope not!! I was hoping that Perry would drop out. Leaving Newt, Rick , Willard and Screw ball in SC!!
As you are aware, politics makes for strange bedfellows.
It could be that while Gingrich and Santorum overtly team-up to attack Romney... Perry covertly joins Romney by simply attacking Gingrich and Santorum while NOT attacking Romney.
Then when the dust settles and Romney is left standing and needs to unite the party, he names Perry as Vice President.
This is what I fear could happen.
I hope not!! I was hoping that Perry would drop out. Leaving Newt, Rick , Willard and Screwball in SC!!
Huh? You mean teddyball got zotted? LOL! He missed my zing attempt. Blast!
I was wishing today there was a thread on all who got the zot last night? If you have a track on that, I am very curious.
Dick Morris, for what it’s worth, said on Hannity’s show today and is saying on O’Reilly that Gingrich is the true competition against Romney. He thinks Romney was the big winner last night because now Newt has to deal with Santorum before he can get at Romney. Romney continues to benefit from that split. There are 8 debates in January, and Newt needs those to go straight to the people and win it himself. I am not in favor of Newt attacking Santorum. Let him speak through his skills of debate and oration.
I have confidence that the conservatives will see through Romney’s split the conservative strategy. Turnabout is fair play - we need to keep Huntsman around to take from Romney. The battle is just beginning.
Just read that Santorum raised over $1M today, so that’s great!
I just got back from donating myself.
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