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Iowa ethanol industry celebrates Romney-Santorum
Washington Examiner ^ | January 4, 2012 | Timothy P. Carney

Posted on 01/05/2012 1:35:21 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: maxter
The main problem post for me on this thread is 32, which is a Dem attack on Santorum from 2005-2006.

And we see with all of the candidates that they have issues with connections to government programs that dispense taxpayer funds to private parties - Perry included. To me it is counterproductive to attack the conservative candidates on these matters when we have Obama in the White House tearing up contract law and dishing millions and billions to his supporters and his pet agendas.

You are not gonna find a Boy Scout in this crowd. Let's figure out what is important and tell those slinging the campaign operative dirt to back off.

101 posted on 01/05/2012 9:13:14 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Subsidy sucking leaches called farmers!!!

Make ethanol illegal for automobile fuel!!!!


102 posted on 01/05/2012 9:19:56 AM PST by dalereed
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Santorum being on the wrong side of National Right to Work and Jim DeMint will do him no favors in South Carolina.”

Again, we shall see. It’ll be interesting to see what kind of statement Jim DeMint makes regarding this field of candidates, if any. The one thing I know is he won’t support Romney. Gingrich? Doubtful. So that leaves Santorum and Perry.

I do think people need to focus a bit more on the big picture rather than one or two small issues. Having a principled conservative in the White House is the goal, eh?


103 posted on 01/05/2012 9:23:16 AM PST by PreciousLiberty (Real Hope - Santorum '12!!!)
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To: dirtboy; Cincinatus' Wife

I have to say you make a good point. We all need to bring facts forward to educate others. I certainly appreciate the info I receive from those who do the work and that would include Cincinatus’ Wife. Perhaps some things could be considered in the “that is more than I need to know category” but that is their call.


104 posted on 01/05/2012 9:47:51 AM PST by maxter (Election is THIS year. Make it count.)
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To: rintense
Here is one reason I supported Gov. Rick Perry at the Iowa caucus: Gov. Perry served as an aircraft commander from 1972-1977, flying C-130s in Central and South America, North Africa and all over Europe, including Iran.

Who would you rather have dealing with Iran, Perry or Obama? Anyway, Perry retired in 1977 with the rank of Captain.

Perry is a patriotic American who loves our military. Perry is a veteran.

105 posted on 01/05/2012 10:09:16 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Who would I rather have? Neither.


106 posted on 01/05/2012 10:38:38 AM PST by rintense
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To: rintense

Fine, who do you think is the best person to take on Iran?


107 posted on 01/05/2012 10:42:22 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

The person who puts America and her citizens FIRST.


108 posted on 01/05/2012 11:04:24 AM PST by rintense
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To: rintense

That’s a cop out, who doesn’t want that? Specifically, WHO do you want to deal with Iran?


109 posted on 01/05/2012 11:29:55 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Cincinatus' Wife, I believe you are a good person. Here you seem to be exhibiting the effects of too much devotion to Rick Perry. It's unbecoming to you. Don't get me wrong, support him if you want, but stooping to try to take down another good candidate with a contrived Democrat issue like this, is wrong.

Lost in the telling of this story is the fact that the Santorums chose to home school their children. Here's a candidate that so closely agrees with us on home schooling, that he has his kids enrolled in a program.

Instead of celebrating that fact, we are here discussing if it was naughty of him to register his kids in the district where he pays income, property, and labor related taxes.

This is a Democrat contrivance as surely as the charges against Tom Delay and Sarah Palin were. You should have recognized that and moved on. Instead you're here trying to take Santorum down using their contrivance.

Once again, from the article:

After a speech Monday at the Pennsylvania Press Club in Harrisburg, Mr. Santorum was asked to defend his use of Penn Hills funds for the charter school.

He replied, "I defend it as I'm a taxpayer in Penn Hills, Pennsylvania. That's where I pay my income tax, that's where I pay my real estate tax, that's where I pay wage taxes, state taxes, I pay taxes like any other state taxpayer. And most people who pay taxes to the school district, who claim that place as their only residence in Pennsylvania, which it is, usually have the right to be able to send their kids to school."

I respectfully ask you to please quit using Democrat talking points to try to damage the political future of a good man.

110 posted on 01/05/2012 11:38:23 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
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To: dirtboy

Wish I could disagree with you here, but I think you’ve pretty well nailed it.


111 posted on 01/05/2012 11:42:03 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
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To: rintense

Thanks for the note of agreement Rintense.

Take care...

Some of my notes are probably more for public consumption than they are direct comments to an individual. I was pretty sure you agreed with this, and didn’t mean to imply otherwise.


112 posted on 01/05/2012 11:48:13 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
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To: PreciousLiberty

Thanks for pointing out those facts. I hope you’re right with regard to South Carolina. Can’t say that I don’t have some concerns about that.

Take care.


113 posted on 01/05/2012 11:50:29 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
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To: dirtboy

Reason no. 2 to support Perry: Perry is pro-life. He signed a budget defunding Planned Parenthood with the result 12 Planned Parenthood have closed. Perry also signed legislation requiring a parent’s consent to an abortion.


114 posted on 01/05/2012 11:54:32 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: hocndoc

LOL, that was a good one. I may not have liked everything the guy stood for, but he was a character, in a good sense.


115 posted on 01/05/2012 11:55:07 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
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To: altura

I appreciate your plea, but “the dark side”?

Surely you don’t think Santorum is evil, do you?


116 posted on 01/05/2012 11:57:04 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I think ethanol subsidies are taking food off the shelves by increasing their prices. I also know that ethanol is an additive that causes damage to cars/trucks not specifically designed to withstand the corrosion of seals, gaskets, etc.

While Perry has taken the subsidies, I haven’t met or heard of a politician I can name who hasn’t in some way endorsed the subsidies for fear of tree hugger lobby vengeance. I don’t approve of any politician who supports, or gets paid subsidies.


117 posted on 01/05/2012 12:00:52 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Sorry, honey, but putting America and her citizens firsts is NOT a cop out. Of course, you’re supporting someone who gives in-state tuition to illegals so I doubt you’d understand.


118 posted on 01/05/2012 12:03:42 PM PST by rintense
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To: rintense
No, the fact you were vague is why it is a cop out. You refuse to state who you think is just the right fit.

The "instate" tuition issue was not controversial in TX. The legislation passed 170-4. Many other states have passed similar legislation.

TX did this because of the failure of the feds to deal with illegals, TX was stuck with them and they made lemonade out of lemons.

119 posted on 01/05/2012 12:19:23 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Gaffer

When it comes to ethanol subsidies, I agree with you.

I don’t think it’s right for the government to subsidize this industry. It does have a negative impact on food prices.

My ideal candidate would not have received these subsidies or supported them.

While in Iowa last June, Santorum stated publicly that he wanted to phase out Ethanol subsidies. I believe that’s the direction he should be going.


120 posted on 01/05/2012 12:19:31 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Here's a candidate that so closely agrees with us on home schooling, that he has his kids enrolled in a program.

Gov. Perry Encourages Home School Families [Address to Texas Home School Association]

Note post #3.

121 posted on 01/05/2012 12:23:40 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
TX did this because of the failure of the feds to deal with illegals, TX was stuck with them and they made lemonade out of lemons.

And yet, instead of blaming the feds and burdening their citizens even further, states like Arizona and Alabama stood up for their sovereignty, with already decreasing numbers of illegals.

Perry is nothing but excuses and blame.

Oh, and btw, those illegals who are receiving in-state breaks are also eligible for STATE AID. Would you care to define what state aid is and who, essentially, pays for it?

122 posted on 01/05/2012 12:29:23 PM PST by rintense
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To: rintense

For lurkers, here’s how Texas Grants works. The difference for illegals is that to qualify to be a Texas Resident, they must attend Texas High Schools 3 years in a row:

For an initial award:

Are Texas residents
Have not been convicted of a felony or crime involving a controlled substance
Show financial need
Have an EFC less than or equal to 4000
Register for the Selective Service or are exempt from this requirement
AND

Be a graduate of an accredited high school in Texas not earlier than the 1998-99 school year
Complete the Recommended High School Program or Distinguished Achievement Program in high school
Enroll in a non-profit public college or university in Texas within 16 months of graduation from a public or accredited private high school in Texas and
Have accumulated no more than 30 semester credit hours, excluding those earned for dual or concurrent courses or awarded for credit by examination (AP, IB or CLEP).


123 posted on 01/05/2012 12:44:35 PM PST by magritte
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To: magritte
And are eligible for state aid.

As another Texas lawmaker said:

“I believe that taxpayer-funded grants should be reserved solely for legal residents of this state,” said state Sen. Brian Birdwell, R-Granbury, a Tea Party conservative who serves as vice chairman of the Senate Higher Education Committee. “In a time when our state budget is tightly constrained and legal residents are already paying record-high tuition rates, I think that these taxpayer dollars should be directed toward our citizens, not illegal immigrants and the incentivization of unlawful conduct.”

So Texas taxpayers are paying for this, period.

124 posted on 01/05/2012 12:54:13 PM PST by rintense
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To: rintense

Of course they are. That’s the LAW in Texas, voted by the people’s representatives in Legislature and signed by the elected Governor. Texas wants this. If they don’t want it, then Legislators will pass a law, the Governor will sign it, and it won’t be law.

If this Birdwell fellow is so gung-ho, let him pass some legislation instead of just yakity-yak. Talk is cheap.


125 posted on 01/05/2012 1:00:31 PM PST by magritte
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Oh, so Perry home schooled his kids? I didn’t know that.

/s


126 posted on 01/05/2012 1:01:28 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
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To: DoughtyOne

No, I don’t.

Perhaps I was endulging in a little fantasy.

Is Rick S. your candidate then?


127 posted on 01/05/2012 1:06:39 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: magritte

That’s a pretty high standard and people who object to this had better be really careful.

As to illegal aliens or rather the US born childen of illegal aliens, it is a federal law that they are eligible for benefits, mostly food stamps and medicaid.

It’s beyond pathetic to say or imply that this is Rick Perry’s doing.

Actually most of Mexican illegals work. Statistics show that those receiving benefits do so because they work in low-paying jobs,usually manual labor and their incomes are so low they qualify for these benefits.


128 posted on 01/05/2012 1:12:27 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: DoughtyOne

Oh, c’mon.

Home schooled kids? Nice if you have the money for the wife to stay home and do it and if you feel that your children are not getting a good education or are subjected to really bad influences.

It’s not for everyone, or very many people. I certainly didn’t do it and I doubt seriously if you did.

But Perry does support school choice and vouchers.


129 posted on 01/05/2012 1:15:59 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: altura

Actually, I’m not a die hard Santorum supporter. It’s become rather a default position at this point.

Romney? No
Newt? No
Perry? No
Ron Paul? (hell) No

I think my tagline expresses it about right.

I will try to defend the guy against gotcha attacks.


130 posted on 01/05/2012 1:17:25 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Dittos!


131 posted on 01/05/2012 1:21:32 PM PST by rintense
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To: DoughtyOne

It’s a sad thing but I think many are in your position.

It’s the which candidate that I hate the least thing.

Unfortunately, the more you learn about Rick S., as you will in the next week or so, you may start hating him also.

I feel good that I have a candidate I respect and can support wholeheartedly.


132 posted on 01/05/2012 1:22:04 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: rintense

;^)


133 posted on 01/05/2012 1:23:07 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
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To: altura

Clearly, to get a Texas Grant you have to be a pretty decent student, plus they review the grant annually. If it works for Texas, it’s their business to take care of it.

10th Amendment, and all that.


134 posted on 01/05/2012 1:28:06 PM PST by magritte
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To: DoughtyOne

You’re in a bad position there, Buddy.

I would be inclined to defend Santorum against gotcha stuff also, but who defended Newt?

Who defended Perry?

Who defended Palin?

Who defended Cain (well a lot of people tried but he couldn’t defend himself)

The point is, it’s gonna be up to the candidate to defend himself and do it effectively and forcefully.

Forceful is not a word I associate with Rick S. He needs to take off the Mr. Rogers sweaters and put on some boxing gloves.


135 posted on 01/05/2012 1:28:25 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: altura
It’s a sad thing but I think many are in your position.  It’s the which candidate that I hate the least thing.

Altura, why is it that folks who support someone, jump to the conclusion that someone else must hate their candidate, if they don't support them.

I don't hate the candidates I'm not supporting.  Each of them has done some things that disqualify them for my support.  Each of them has probably done some good things too.

I don't support them for the presidency, but I do wish them well in their private endeavors.

Unfortunately, the more you learn about Rick S., as you will in the next week or so, you may start hating him also.

So you're telling me that you are aware of plans to reveal things about Rick Santorum over the next week or so?  If these are important matters, why wait?  I'm willing to assess anything mentioned about Rick Santorum, and am also willing to withdraw support as is fitting should something negative arise and warrant it.

I feel good that I have a candidate I respect and can support wholeheartedly.


I too am glad you have a candidate you can respect and support wholeheartedly.  I am not able to support that person.  I do not respect them.

That does not mean that I hate them, or wish anything ill to happen to them.  When it comes to the presidency, no thank you.

136 posted on 01/05/2012 1:37:29 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
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To: altura
You’re in a bad position there, Buddy.  Oh really?  Lets see.

I would be inclined to defend Santorum against gotcha stuff also, but who defended Newt?  You didn't see anyone defending Newt here?  Really?  Do you know who Jim Robinson is?

Who defended Perry?  You haven't seen anyone defending Perry either?  Wow.  I also find this rather comical, because Perry's 'tools' have been dishing dirt on just about everyone.

Who defended Palin?  You honestly didn't see anyone defending Palin here?  Really?

Who defended Cain (well a lot of people tried but he couldn’t defend himself)  I saw a lot of folks defending Cain here.  So did you.

The point is, it’s gonna be up to the candidate to defend himself and do it effectively and forcefully.  Have you watched any of the debates?  About the only way I can describe Perry's debating style, is to call it the 'Utilization of Political Suicide Method' of winning over supporters.  There's no way I want to watch this guy debate Obama, on my behalf.

Forceful is not a word I associate with Rick S. He needs to take off the Mr. Rogers sweaters and put on some boxing gloves.  And this from a person who must support Rick Perry's antics on the debate stage.

Seriously Altura, give it a rest.



137 posted on 01/05/2012 1:47:09 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
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138 posted on 01/05/2012 4:25:38 PM PST by rintense
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To: rintense

Aw..., shucks...

;^)


139 posted on 01/06/2012 2:26:01 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
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