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Beware of conservatives who see benefit in Obama's re-election
Coach is Right ^ | 1/05/2012 | Doug Book

Posted on 01/05/2012 9:16:42 AM PST by Oldpuppymax

At least one well-known conservative has begun speaking out-loud the notion that an Obama re-election might not be the very worst thing that could happen, either to the nation or to Republicans—even to REAL Republicans–that is, conservatives, members of the Party base whose mistrust of Obama is nearly equaled by their mistrust of Mitt Romney and the 2008 ‘Ghost of Romney past’, John McCain.

The best-selling author of “Looking out for Number One” and “Restoring the American Dream”, Robert Ringer has been a Libertarian/conservative for decades.

And given 5 decades of Libertarian leanings, his support of Ron Paul should surprise no one.

But just prior to the Iowa Caucus, Ringer decided that should Ron Paul run the independent, third party campaign many so fear him capable of “and it resulted in Obama’s re-election, [Ringer] would be fine with that if it keeps Romney from taking the reins of power and feeding us small doses of socialism day in and day out.” (1)

He argues that as Obama’s 2008 election gave rise to the Tea Party movement, a repeat performance in 2012 could only re-invigorate that early, contagious Tea Party spirit which Ringer has found wanting over the past year.

“Early on, I said that I preferred Obama over McCain because his Marxist agenda would finally wake up millions of apathetic Americans,” Ringer recalls of his 2008 position. (1)

“Unfortunately, the Tea Party has not kept the heat on either Obama or Congress. But if Obama is re-elected, maybe Tea Partiers will be jolted into rising up in earnest — 365 days a year — and will get serious about taking back America,” he continues. (1)

Well there is little question that Romney is hardly more than a younger version of John McCain...

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TOPICS: Government; History; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: conservatives; election; johnmccain; libertarianism; libertarians; medicalmarijuana; obama; republicans; robertringer; ronpaul

1 posted on 01/05/2012 9:16:52 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: Oldpuppymax

Insanity. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.


2 posted on 01/05/2012 9:21:11 AM PST by Nateman (If liberals are not screaming you are doing it wrong!)
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To: Oldpuppymax
I can see some benefits, namely he would do so much damage to the country and by extension the Dem party we would win in a walk in ‘16. We have good candidates coming up in ‘16 as well. The problem is that he will give the left a a majority of the supreme court and many other judges that the Constitution would be declared unconsitional. I think I will stick with kicking him out.
3 posted on 01/05/2012 9:25:17 AM PST by bilhosty (Don' t tax people tax newsprint)
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To: Oldpuppymax

The elite just don’t get the TEA movement at all do they?

TEA party members work and take care of business - until there are primaries or elections.

What does he think happened in 2010...???

In only 3 years the TEAs have had a huge influence on elections; local, County, State and National...without crony corporate or special interest funding. No lawless protests, no favored MSM coverage.. just well-earned tears, sweat and patriotism.


4 posted on 01/05/2012 9:26:04 AM PST by sodpoodle ( Newt - God has tested him for a reason..)
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To: Oldpuppymax

I would say beware of the GOP establishment who see a benefit in electing RINOs.


5 posted on 01/05/2012 9:26:54 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Oldpuppymax

A bit like tossing your kid in to the deep end of the pool hoping he learns to swim. I’ve had enough “tough love” the past four years, Obama must go!


6 posted on 01/05/2012 9:28:28 AM PST by bigbob
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To: Nateman
Agree with you notwithstanding my respect for Robert Ringer.
In a second BO administration, the "small doses of socialism" would become a hot-shot OD that would finish off freedom in America.
7 posted on 01/05/2012 9:28:52 AM PST by stormhill
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To: Oldpuppymax
Liberal

Libertarian

I see a pattern! If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck . . . !

8 posted on 01/05/2012 9:31:06 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: bilhosty
I don't know who Ringer is, but his logic is flawed.

Just ask the Germans how the elections of 1937 went, or the Russians about the elections of 1921.

What do you means they were never held? Their Constitutions called for elections!

9 posted on 01/05/2012 9:32:01 AM PST by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: taxcontrol

Exactly the mindset which brought our nation B.H.O.!!


10 posted on 01/05/2012 9:32:22 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: bilhosty
I can see some benefits, namely he would do so much damage to the country and by extension the Dem party we would win in a walk in ‘16. We have good candidates coming up in ‘16 as well. The problem is that he will give the left a a majority of the supreme court and many other judges that the Constitution would be declared unconstitutional. I think I will stick with kicking him out.

That is the real answer. We cannot survive another Obama term. By 2016, there won't be a country left to save.

11 posted on 01/05/2012 9:32:31 AM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Nateman

Way too early to be talking like this. We have to start with the premise that our first and most important goal is removing Obama. All internal fighting, all personal agendas have to take a back seat!


12 posted on 01/05/2012 9:32:38 AM PST by elvis-lives
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To: taxcontrol

Shortsighted. Unwaivering adherence to dogma will result in disaster. 50% of something is better than 100% of nothing. If my choice is between Bam Bam & Slick Willard, I’d hold my nose & vote for Slick Willard. I won’t cut off my nose to spite my face.


13 posted on 01/05/2012 9:33:54 AM PST by sofaman (An enemy generally says and believes what he wishes. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Four more years of obama = two more marxist SC Justices = America’s total destruction. That is all that matters.


14 posted on 01/05/2012 9:36:39 AM PST by moose-matson (I keep it in my head)
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To: bilhosty
I can see some benefits, namely he would do so much damage to the country and by extension the Dem party we would win in a walk in ‘16. We have good candidates coming up in ‘16 as well.

He has already done extensive damage to our country. Obama has to be stopped now.

Don't bet on a walk in 2016 for a Republican President. That mistake has been played out before. And what good candidates coming up in '16 are you referring to?

15 posted on 01/05/2012 9:39:25 AM PST by mtg
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To: Oldpuppymax

bfl


16 posted on 01/05/2012 9:40:15 AM PST by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: Oldpuppymax
I won't be voting for Romney in the primary. I may hold my nose in the general for one reason. SCOTUS. Why?

Ginsburg - 78 years old Scalia - 75 years old Kennedy - 75 years old Breyer - 73 Thomas - 63 Alito - 61 Sotomayor - 57 Roberts - 56 Kagan - 51

17 posted on 01/05/2012 9:51:25 AM PST by Darren McCarty (Anybody but Romney or Obama)
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To: mtg

“And what good candidates coming up in ‘16 are you referring to? “

Jindal, Portman, McDonnell, Rubio and Martinez and who knows who else we will have ready. We will have an ebrassment of riches then.


18 posted on 01/05/2012 9:51:56 AM PST by bilhosty (Don' t tax people tax newsprint)
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To: Oldpuppymax

The country is already bankrupt the debt exceeds our GDP the future of trajectory of the debt under the Obama plan is unsustainable and Obama and the Dems have just begun their redistribution campaign, there are still 20 million or more illegals that are entitled to some free stuff. The end result will be a massive debt that will ultimately be paid by the middle class driving the middleclass down to the same level as the poor in effect creating the equality that the Liberals want.

The most important thing that can happen for Conservatives is that the candidate must articulately and highlight the dramatic differences between fiscal conservatism and the progressive marxism that has been the halmark of BO.

Then after they are adequately warned of the consequences of continuing down this path of unsustainable unfunded liabilities and wealth transfer to the unproductive members of this society, if America chooses the path of Communism than it gets what it elects and all we can do then is protect our own.


19 posted on 01/05/2012 9:53:32 AM PST by Typical_Whitey (Democrat socialist engineering of America is treason.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Well there are plenty of them right here on FR. Hopefully they get the zot. If this becomes a pro_o board I am outta here.


20 posted on 01/05/2012 9:55:21 AM PST by mojitojoe (SCOTUS.... think about that when you decide to sit home and pout because your candidate didn't win)
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To: Oldpuppymax

As it stands, 2012 elections will not be “fair” in that conservatives will be savaged by the media 24/7. Free? At this date, no restrictions on conservatives voting is in the offing but lots of dead, illegal and duplicate votes will dilute conservative impact. If O wins again and progressives maintain a strangle hold on congress, free and fair elections here will be a thing of the past.


21 posted on 01/05/2012 10:10:30 AM PST by JimSEA
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To: sofaman; SoldierDad

A RINO will do a whole lot more damage. If the GOP establishment puts yet another RINO on the ticket, I will be voting R down ticket and for someone, anyone, who is a conservative at the top. Even if it means not voting for Romney or writing in a candidate.

On the issues that concern me, there is not much difference between Romney and Obama.

Until the GOP party learns that you need a conservative to fire up the base, the GOP will continue to lose elections.


22 posted on 01/05/2012 10:10:49 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Typical_Whitey

If Obama wins a second term he will not last to the end—He will do a Nixon and be forced to resign. The scandals are just now starting to come out.
He will be proven to be the most corrupt since US Grant. Only the MSM have kept him in power this long. just wait til he turns on them.

h


23 posted on 01/05/2012 10:15:56 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Oldpuppymax
doug is a lying MF’er... only a republican would want obama reelected... NO CONSERVATIVE would ever want obama reelected... but republicans are NOT Conservative.

LLS

24 posted on 01/05/2012 10:25:13 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS!)
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To: taxcontrol
If the GOP establishment puts yet another RINO on the ticket, I will be voting R down ticket and for someone, anyone, who is a conservative at the top. Even if it means not voting for Romney or writing in a candidate "I will be voting for Obama.

It has the same effect. I cannot more strongly disagree that a "RINO" would be more damaging than four more years of Obozo. But, you go ahead and vote your "conscience" (or lack thereof). Four more years of Obozo will be what you vote for.

25 posted on 01/05/2012 10:45:09 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: SoldierDad

Don’t confuse the gibberish of Ron Paul with mainstream Libertarians. The doctrinare crowd is a pain in ass but it is not the majority .

Libertarians default setting is for liberty not control of everybodies daily life into the most minute detail . Or in simple English IT IS PREFERRED THAT THEY ARE IN THE TENT PISSING OUT ,RATHER THAN OUTSIDE THE TENT PISSING INTO IT.

I have friends with Masters Degrees who understand that we are in a struggle for the very survival of the Republic who cannot grasp the aforementioned concept . Let alone the idea that govt. will not respect the Constitution when it comes to dealing with those who are not with the program so to speak.


26 posted on 01/05/2012 10:52:29 AM PST by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: Nebr FAL owner

Really?

The last Libertarian party platform that I can find spelled out in clear English and detail is the 2004 platform, you agreed with it?


27 posted on 01/05/2012 11:08:28 AM PST by ansel12
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To: taxcontrol
On the issues that concern me, there is not much difference between Romney and Obama.

Here is just a short list of different outcomes with Obama and Romney: - Defacto amnesty continues with Obama but Romney will reverse it. - Closure of coal plants occurs with Obama but not Romney - Liberal supreme court appointments with Obama but conservative to moderate appointments with Romney - Defacto card check with Obama (via NLRB) but repeal of defacto card check with Romney - Full implementation of Obamacare with Obama but repeal or non implementation with Romney There will be many other differences because Obama has been extremely aggressive in using executive orders. Romney will reverse lots of executive orders. Your non vote for Romney will help elect Obama. Obama is the enemy, not Romney. Romney's positions on most issues are nearly identical to the other candidates. Romney is not my first choice but he will be dramatically different than Obama.
28 posted on 01/05/2012 11:18:10 AM PST by businessprofessor
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To: businessprofessor

Excellent post, thank you


29 posted on 01/05/2012 11:24:32 AM PST by sofaman (An enemy generally says and believes what he wishes. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SoldierDad

Yeah yeah yeah. Same old GOP mantra that if you don’t vote for the Rino, you are voting for the opposition. Sorry, not buying that anymore. That attitude got us “me to” RINO McCain and lost the 2008 election. You can’t win elections without your base. Trying to gain moderates and the expense of the base if foolish.

Four years of Obama being opposed and fought by a principled Congress is better than a Rino president who is supported by Congress because the party has to support the party.

I am tired of RINOs and will continue to vote my conscience.


30 posted on 01/05/2012 11:30:04 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: businessprofessor

You err in several points

1) Romeney care was the blue print for Obamacare. If you think Romney is going to reverse Obamacare, you are being fooled.

2) Romney will not protect our freedoms. Case in point, Romney (and others) support of the individual mandate.

3) Obama is not the enemy. Obama is mearly a soldier fighting on behalf of socialism. That is the true enemey. The belief that individual must give up their liberties to the state who controls their lives.

Romney is not noticably different on issues that I am concerned about. Case in point, what is the difference between Romneycare and Obamacare. Not enough for me to tell the difference.


31 posted on 01/05/2012 11:37:17 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: LibLieSlayer

“doug is a lying MF’er... only a republican would want obama reelected... NO CONSERVATIVE would ever want obama reelected... but republicans are NOT Conservative.

LLS”

Didn’t click on Coach is Right and read the whole piece, did you, LibLieSlayer?


32 posted on 01/05/2012 11:40:49 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: Oldpuppymax
No... I have read so much depressing crap today I just went by what the posted material said... I will check it to see if it is worth a read. If the author has a misleading headline then he should accept that some people might misconstrue his intent... I will read it and see Oldpuppymax. BTW... I have just about reached my level of BS for 2012... from the press... and we are only 5 days into the new year!

LLS

33 posted on 01/05/2012 12:39:50 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS!)
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34 posted on 01/05/2012 12:46:45 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Oldpuppymax
Alright I read it... my aplologies to Doug... BUT he should have been more clear in his title and opening paragraph IMHO. Far too many authors try to be too cute by half these days. Give me straight forward journalism any day... for it is very seldom seen in print today and it is refreshing when we do see it.

First... there are Libertarians and there are Conservatives... they are not and can never be one in the same. That is one problem that we have... everyone from fags to communists to socialists to libertarians and progressives have tried to steal our ideology label. Rush spoke at length today on this subject.

There is NO VICTORY IN ANY DEFEAT... anyone selling defeat as Victory is a turncoat and traitor... and a Libertarian is a libertarian... and not a conservative. Sometimes I think there are only a few hundred of us Conservatives left in America today.

LLS

35 posted on 01/05/2012 12:55:12 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS!)
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To: taxcontrol

Romney has indicated that he will not implement Obamacare. He has not repudiated Romneycare because he does not want to denigrate his record as governor. Romney is an honorable man so I take his word that he will not implement Obamacare. The individual mandate was touted in past Republican health care reform legislation so Romney is not alone in having a mandate in the MA plan.

The danger with Romney is his possible weakness to work with the rats. Bush’s greatest weakness was his idiotic idea that he could work with the rats.

Obama is no mere soldier. He is the leader of the enemy forces. A prominent method to fight a battle is to target the officers. Beating Obama will leave the left in disarray.


36 posted on 01/05/2012 12:58:26 PM PST by businessprofessor
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To: taxcontrol

So, you are okay with sleeping with Obama. We will agree to disagree on this. I will vote against Obama. I’m viscerally against R-U-N Paul’s bid for the nomination. But, if he wins the nomination he has my vote. I will vote for the GOP nominee. Period. You may go lie down with Obama, and get up with fleas, if that is your choice.


37 posted on 01/05/2012 1:25:02 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: SoldierDad

No, I’m not ok with sleeping with the RINOs that ARE sleeping with Obama. A prostitute is a prostitute when she sells her body. Obama is selling for $100 and RINOs are selling for $1. I don’t want to sell my principles because I have seen that “me too” does not win elections.

If the GOP runs another Dem lite candidate, they will lose again - period.


38 posted on 01/05/2012 1:34:43 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: businessprofessor

What are you saying?

Are you saying that the man responsible of Masscare would somehow repudiate and repeal Obamacare, even though it was BASED COMPLETELY on Masscare?

The states are laboratories of democracy, and Masscare failed in the lab. Romney, however, can’t admit that for some reason and you think that somehow he’ll get the job and not waffle down on Obamacare with, “We don’t need to throw the baby out with the bath, we just need to fix the parts that don’t work.”?

I think its naive to think he’s not going to want to just grab the Oval Office, hire people to stiff arm base conservatives, and go back to work with the status quo in DC as if nothing there is permanently and irreparably broken.


39 posted on 01/05/2012 1:36:22 PM PST by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Ron Paul will not run third party. His son has aspirations in the GOP that would vaporize if his father runs under the “BatSh!tCrazy” Party banner.


40 posted on 01/05/2012 1:38:34 PM PST by j_tull ("A little of what you fancy does you good, or so it should.")
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To: businessprofessor

What are you saying?

Are you saying that the man responsible of Masscare would somehow repudiate and repeal Obamacare, even though it was BASED COMPLETELY on Masscare?

The states are laboratories of democracy, and Masscare failed in the lab. Romney, however, can’t admit that for some reason and you think that somehow he’ll get the job and not waffle down on Obamacare with, “We don’t need to throw the baby out with the bath, we just need to fix the parts that don’t work.”?

I think its naive to think he’s not going to want to just grab the Oval Office, hire people to stiff arm base conservatives, and go back to work with the status quo in DC as if nothing there is permanently and irreparably broken.


41 posted on 01/05/2012 1:38:34 PM PST by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: taxcontrol

Hey, have fun eating those principles of yours after Obozo has completely gutted our economy. People like you are what’s wrong with the political system today. You’re so into having the perfect candidate that you’re willing to lie down with dogs as opposed to accepting something less than perfection. If Reagan ran today he would not earn your vote. I have an idea. Just stay home on election day and allow the adults to make the tough decisions.


42 posted on 01/05/2012 1:40:08 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: businessprofessor
Romney is not my first choice but...

I love how even ardent Romneybots (not saying you am one, Prof) always include a disclaimer.

43 posted on 01/05/2012 1:42:14 PM PST by j_tull ("A little of what you fancy does you good, or so it should.")
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To: SoldierDad

Well you have fun eating that RINO meat of creeping socialism, loss of liberty and attacks on our way of life. It is people like you who want consensus and not clarity that is what is wrong with politics today.

Oh and I did vote for Reagan because he was an unashamed conservative. If you remember, Regan lost the nomination in favor of Ford and where did that get us?

It is us adults that have already served our country, raised our kids, had businesses and created jobs that are in the trenches day to day and are fighting the good fight daily and KNOW our history. “Me too” and Dem lite does not win elections. It is the conservative who motivates the base and wins elections.

So you stay home if you want to. I am going to vote and I will vote for the most conservative candidate that I can find ... if they happen to have an R by their name, great. If they don’t ... then the party that is SUPPOSED to be the conservative party can either change and become conservative or they can continue to LOSE elections.


44 posted on 01/05/2012 2:26:19 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol
So you stay home if you want to. I am going to vote and I will vote for the most conservative candidate that I can find ... if they happen to have an R by their name, great. If they don’t ... then the party that is SUPPOSED to be the conservative party can either change and become conservative or they can continue to LOSE elections.

In other words, since you don't have a dog in the race you will throw a tantrum and take your toys home. The only outcome of this is four more years of THE MOST LIBERAL option available. After four more years of Obozo we'll see what is left of this country. I'm betting there won't be much of the Constitution that hasn't been shattered. It is obvious that you know nothing about Reagan. Pity!

45 posted on 01/05/2012 2:43:13 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: SoldierDad

Please take the time to learn your history. Ford was from the liberal wing of the Republican party but he was the establishment and LOST. McCain, another GOP establishment liberal - LOST. Bob Dole, another GOP establishment choice and LOST.

Now once again the GOP establishment is trying to shove another liberal republican (Romney) down our throats. And if that is the case, the conservative base will not turn out to support someone who does not represent them.

It is the GOP establishment selection of liberal, RINO GOP party toady strategy has a history of loss after loss. When the conservatives of the GOP defeated the establishment and put Reagan on the ticket we WON. If Regan taught us anything it is that you can not win without a motivated base.


46 posted on 01/05/2012 2:55:59 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol

I do NOT require a history lesson from the likes of you. I stand by what I stated. It’s a pity that you do not know anything about Reagan.


47 posted on 01/05/2012 2:57:46 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: Oldpuppymax

A B O

I would vote for Joran Vandersloot over Obama at this point.


48 posted on 01/05/2012 3:01:52 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: SoldierDad

It is a pity that you refuse to learn facts and the lessons of history.


49 posted on 01/05/2012 4:06:00 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Nebr FAL owner

The Libertarian party platform represents the goals of libertarians, and it is formal text that we can post and discuss.


50 posted on 01/05/2012 4:41:54 PM PST by ansel12
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