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No BCS National Championship Game This Year
town hall ^ | 1/09/12 | reasonmclucus

Posted on 01/09/2012 1:50:51 PM PST by kathsua

For the first time since the BCS held its first "national championship" game after the 1998 season, there won't be any bowl game that can realistically be portrayed as a "national championship" game.

This year's game can only be considered as giving the University of Alabama an opportunity to avenge its loss against Louisiana State University(LSU). The two schools can only play for the championship of the western division of the Southeast Conference(SEC). Alabama cannot even claim the championship of the SEC from a victory because that would require Alabama to defeat eastern division champion , the University of Georgia.

LSU cannot prove it deserves a national championship by defeating a school it has already defeated, particularly a school that mostly defeated the same schools that LSU defeated. LSU needs to defeat the champion of another conference in the championship game to prove it is the best team in the country

An Alabama victory would indicate the two schools are equal rather than that Alabama is the best because they would each have one victory over the other. A third game would be necessary to prove Alabama was the better team. In those sports in which the champion must win multiple games against the other team, the champion must win a majority of the games.

The SEC will be the big loser in the game because it will lose its undefeated record in the game regardless of which team wins. Alabama and LSU are both undefeated in the so-called championship game. One of them will lose that status.

The NCAA does allow a conference runner up to play the conference champion for the national basketball championship, but only after the challenger has defeated the other teams in its bracket to get into the championship game.

The NFL allows the runner up in a division to play the division winner in a conference championship but only after the runner up has defeated two other teams. Two teams in the same division cannot play each other in the Super Bowl. The Super Bowl participants must be from different conferences.

Those who suffer from the delusion that a computer or sports writers, etc can choose the best two teams ignore the fact that it isn't unusual for teams rated by writers or computers to lose to teams that are rated lower.

It's time for people to realize that the claim that a BCS bowl game is for a national championship is just a public relations gimmick. The only valid way to determine a national football champion is for teams to earn their way into a championship game by defeating other teams that aspire to be the national champion.

Determining a legitimate NCAA major college football champion wouldn't necessarily require extending the college football season longer than it is now with the phony BCS championship game. There would need to be a way to get the number of teams playing for the championship down to 8 for a 3-round tournament which could include some of the existing bowl games.

With the ongoing conference changes, the number of conferences could change in the next few years. Champions from smaller conferences could play qualifying games after the end of the season, possibly the same weekend some of the large conferences have their championship games. The extra game would provide money for the schools and their conferences.

The first round of the tournament could come just before Christmas or be part of the New Year's day bowl games. Having the first round on New Year's would be especially attractive for the Big 10 and Pac 12 because it would allow their champions to play in the Rose Bowl and still participate in a championship tournament.

The college bowl games aren't nearly as important as they used to be. Most of them are on cable because they don't attract sufficient advertising to be worth a bidding war among the broadcast networks like there is for the Super Bowl.

A true championship tournament could be as popular as the NCAA basketball tournament is. At the very least the schools participating in the tournament would make money for themselves and their conferences.


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I've never understood how anyone could believe that a computer or sports reporters could determine which are the two best college football teams. I guess sports reporters have their heads in the sand, or wherever, just like political reporters. The sports polls have always favored certain schools like Alabama and Oklahoma even when they have had off years. It they have a loss they will may still be rated above undefeated teams.

I think most people are so tired of bowl games by now that they don't really care about a real or phony national championship game.

1 posted on 01/09/2012 1:51:01 PM PST by kathsua
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To: kathsua

I have never been a fan of the BCS system, preferring a playoff.

On the other hand, number 1 is playing number 2. That is about as close as one could get to a national championship game.


2 posted on 01/09/2012 1:53:00 PM PST by yarddog
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To: kathsua

The whole system is a contrivance made to create an impression that the last bowl game is a genuine championship. We get it. . .its college. . .we are happy to go along with the fantasy so as to better enjoy the game. . .its just a game after all.


3 posted on 01/09/2012 1:59:20 PM PST by McBuff
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To: kathsua
This is just sour grapes by someone who doesn't want to believe that LSU is #1 and Bama is #2, which they very clearly are.

Not a fan of BCS, but it's the best solution we've got unless you want to extend the college season into February with a bracket of 16.
4 posted on 01/09/2012 2:00:52 PM PST by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: kathsua

Well there is the SEC.

And then there is .... ummmm... everyone else who is NOT the SEC.

So. Even if there were Conference play-offs - it wouldn’t be any better than Alabama vs. LSU.


5 posted on 01/09/2012 2:02:18 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: kathsua

The SEC will be the big loser in the game because it will lose its undefeated record in the game regardless of which team wins. Alabama and LSU are both undefeated in the so-called championship game. One of them will lose that status.

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That is about the lamest most pathetic comment I’ve read in a long time.


6 posted on 01/09/2012 2:04:02 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: kathsua

The problem with this analysis is that Alabama and LSU are easily the two best teams, by any measure. So, having a team other than Alabama in the game would also not be a legitimate national championship game under the current system, which is supposed to pit the two best teams.

The irony of this is a number of years ago, the SEC pushed hard for a 4 school playoff system; where the top 4 teams would play it out for the championship (because an undefeated Auburn had been locked out of the championship game). No other conference would even consider the SEC proposal.

What makes it doubly ironic is the SEC has won every national championship since they made the proposal for a 4 team playoff system.


7 posted on 01/09/2012 2:05:01 PM PST by Brookhaven (Mitt Romney has been consistent since he changed his mind.)
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To: kathsua
The SEC will be the big loser in the game because it will lose its undefeated record in the game regardless of which team wins. Alabama and LSU are both undefeated in the so-called championship game. One of them will lose that status.

Lol, talk about about scraping the bottom of the barrel to find something negative to say. Maybe the SEC will be able to recover from being the "big loser" after winning six straight BCS championship and the shame of having SEC teams in both spots in this year's championship game.

8 posted on 01/09/2012 2:05:13 PM PST by Will88
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To: kathsua
I hate the BCS...and there's plenty to be critical of...especially, but certainly not only, 11-1 #6 Boise not being invited to the Sugar Bowl while 11-2 #11 Va Tech was invited. But the Championship game this year is what it should be.

That said I wish someone would drive a stake through the heart of the BCS and come up with a workable tournament!

9 posted on 01/09/2012 2:05:32 PM PST by pgkdan ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: kathsua

The BSC is nothing but corrupt fantasy FB.

They need to take the top 8 conference champions and find the real champion.

Go Ducks


10 posted on 01/09/2012 2:05:44 PM PST by bray (Ride Santorum back to Sanity)
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To: Sudetenland
LSU is #1 and Bama is #2

Well...for a few more hours anyway...

11 posted on 01/09/2012 2:07:00 PM PST by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: kathsua

If Bama beats LSU tonight, then what? Since LSU already beat Bama, each could claim the BCS Championship, since each would only have one loss - to each other.


12 posted on 01/09/2012 2:07:24 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: kathsua

Who do you think should be playing for the national championship?


13 posted on 01/09/2012 2:07:46 PM PST by houeto
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To: kathsua
No BCS National Championship Game This Year

Call it the BCS Global Championship Game?

14 posted on 01/09/2012 2:08:08 PM PST by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: Sudetenland
Not a fan of BCS, but it's the best solution we've got unless you want to extend the college season into February with a bracket of 16.

The NCAA FCS (Formerly NCAA Division II) just concluded a 20-team playoff... last game was on Jan 7th. The FBS (Formerly Division I) with a 2-team playoff doesn't end until Jan 9th.

15 posted on 01/09/2012 2:08:15 PM PST by So Cal Rocket (Task 1: Accomplished, Task 2: Hold them Accountable!)
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To: houeto

The bowl games have shown just how bad the other contenders’ defenses were, Bama or LSU easily scores 30+ on those teams, and easily shuts down their offenses.

Anybody who doesn’t think the best two teams are playing tonight, is crazy.


16 posted on 01/09/2012 2:09:12 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: 6ppc

LSU is #1 and Bama is #2
Well...for a few more hours anyway...

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True. Then it will be LSU as # 1 and # 2. Roll Tide will be third.

(don’t ask how that is possible.)


17 posted on 01/09/2012 2:11:22 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: Brookhaven

A four-team playoff is perfect, it solves 90% of all of the problems with the current system. It would just be diminishing returns to include more teams.


18 posted on 01/09/2012 2:11:38 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: The Sons of Liberty

If Bama beats LSU tonight, then what?

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Then it will be a matter of percentages. By how many points did Alabama win? Total yards by both teams in both games. First downs, possession times, and stuff like that.


19 posted on 01/09/2012 2:14:08 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Exactly it solves nothing and makes the ‘every game counts’ mantra of the non playoff crowd seem ridiculous


20 posted on 01/09/2012 2:14:40 PM PST by lakewood conservative
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To: kathsua

Roll Tide


21 posted on 01/09/2012 2:15:58 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: dfwgator

WAAAARRRRRRR EAGLE!! HEY!!!


22 posted on 01/09/2012 2:17:04 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: bray
They need to take the top 8 conference champions and find the real champion.

With the great disparity in strength of the various conferences around the US, that would be a far worse method of selection than we have now.

23 posted on 01/09/2012 2:17:17 PM PST by Will88
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To: The Sons of Liberty
If Bama beats LSU tonight, then what? Since LSU already beat Bama, each could claim the BCS Championship, since each would only have one loss - to each other.

That's like saying if the Patriots beat the Giants in the Super Bowl, the Giants could also claim the Super Bowl, because they beat the Patriots in the regular season.

24 posted on 01/09/2012 2:17:26 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Responsibility2nd

This gets the stupidest article today award IMHO. so in other words the Bowl Game tonight is a farce and waste of time?

Clearly, these are the best two teams out there. I expect that LSU will win again, but if they don’t then you’ll have to look at the game itself, and then go from there.

Over all, it has the potential of being a nail biter.


25 posted on 01/09/2012 2:17:26 PM PST by nikos1121
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To: dfwgator

And we know from sports leagues that have Playoffs and Tournaments that the 2 top seeds always make it to championship game. Give me break, let the kids settle it on the field through a 4 or 8 team playoff.


26 posted on 01/09/2012 2:18:12 PM PST by JohnKinAK
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To: kathsua
There are currently about 120 Division I teams. They should be split into four super-conferences. Each super-conference should be further split into four divisions.

At the end of the regular season each super-conference should have the leaders of each of the divisions compete in a four team playoff to determine the super-conference champion.

After that the super-conference champions can have a four team playoff to determine the national champion.

Bowl games can be played around the same time as the super-conference and national playoffs among the teams with better records and/or higher popularity.

The team that wins the national championship could play as many as four more games as the worst teams that don't get into any playoffs or bowl games.

Because of this there may be some profit sharing recommended within super-conferences, or throughout the NCAA.

What do you think?

27 posted on 01/09/2012 2:19:13 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: The Sons of Liberty

And here’s a little more ammo for your point. LSU was number two and beat the number one team. If Alabama wins it will be the number two team beating the number one team....again.


28 posted on 01/09/2012 2:19:42 PM PST by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a second party)
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To: JohnKinAK

The more playoff rounds you have, the more injuries will play a role.


29 posted on 01/09/2012 2:19:42 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Terry Mross

Seems like two always beats one.


30 posted on 01/09/2012 2:20:26 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

A 4 team playoff system is the next logical step to getting to a full blown playoff system.

I just find it ironic that the same schools that nixed the SEC’S proposal for a 4 team playoff just a few years ago are the same ones now complaining about the SEC dominating the BCS championship game.


31 posted on 01/09/2012 2:21:26 PM PST by Brookhaven (Mitt Romney has been consistent since he changed his mind.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

If Bama wins, unless it’s a blowout, I expect to see some sort of split championship. Bama will win the BCS championship, but LSU will get voted #1 in the coaches poll.


32 posted on 01/09/2012 2:23:51 PM PST by Brookhaven (Mitt Romney has been consistent since he changed his mind.)
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To: pgkdan

The “rules” state that only two teams per conference can go to a BCS bowl. I really think they meant a conference could only have teams in two bowls. To me, Arkansas got screwed and they should have contested the stupid rule and how it was interpreted.

I also think Kansas State got screwed as did Baylor.


33 posted on 01/09/2012 2:24:52 PM PST by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a second party)
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To: Brookhaven
Bama will win the BCS championship, but LSU will get voted #1 in the coaches poll.

Will never happen.

34 posted on 01/09/2012 2:25:12 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: The Sons of Liberty
If Bama beats LSU tonight, then what? Since LSU already beat Bama, each could claim the BCS Championship, since each would only have one loss - to each other.

Do you make that same statement about the Super Bowl, and the NCAA tournament, where there could easily be cases where the winner had been previously defeated by the loser.

And what about AFC and NFC championship games where it is very common that the winner could have previously lost to the loser, and also in all the playoff games that led up to the championship game.

Hey, the Patriots have already beaten the Broncos this year, so why bother with the game scheduled for this Saturday?

35 posted on 01/09/2012 2:25:35 PM PST by Will88
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To: Terry Mross

They need to make The Cotton Bowl a BCS Bowl.


36 posted on 01/09/2012 2:26:05 PM PST by dfwgator
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37 posted on 01/09/2012 2:29:45 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: dfwgator

The more playoff rounds you have, the more injuries will play a role.

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Lame Excuse to keep the status quo. DIV 1 College Football is the only sports league I know of that doesn’t have a playoff system. It’s a joke and everybody knows it. The best part about spectator sports is watching an underdog. Major College football has eliminated the whole prospect of an underdog. I don’t watch any of the bowls; they are all meaningless exhibitions.


38 posted on 01/09/2012 2:31:57 PM PST by JohnKinAK
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To: JohnKinAK

I’m all on board with the 4-team playoff, beyond that, I don’t think will be worth it.


39 posted on 01/09/2012 2:34:19 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
Anybody who doesn’t think the best two teams are playing tonight, is crazy.

I can't argue with that which is why I asked the question. I'm in Pascagoula, MS. tonight. The crowds around here are pretty evenly split. It's going to get rowdy.

Add to all that, it's a full moon!

40 posted on 01/09/2012 2:34:19 PM PST by houeto
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To: dfwgator
Anybody who doesn’t think the best two teams are playing tonight, is crazy.

Present.

Oklahoma State might just have something to say about the best team given a system in place to allow it. Neither LSU nor Al have faced an offense of their caliber. True enuff that OK St's defense is wanting and would yield 24-30 pts, but it's not inconceivable that they'd could stay on the field with either of the participants tonight. Just for argument's sake.

But these three have clearly separated themselves from the pack; even Ron Paul would probably agree.

41 posted on 01/09/2012 2:39:53 PM PST by Dysart (#Changeitback)
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To: Will88

Do you make that same statement about the Super Bowl, and the NCAA tournament, where there could easily be cases where the winner had been previously defeated by the loser.


The NFL and College Basketball require a team to win their way into the championship game through a playoff system. If the NFL used the Bowl system Green Bay would have never been invited to the Superbowl last year, it would have been the Patriots vs the Falcons...........but somehow neither made it that far.


42 posted on 01/09/2012 2:40:50 PM PST by JohnKinAK
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To: Dysart

You underestimate just how good Alabama and LSU is on offense, and both defenses made the other look silly....no other defense in the country comes close to those two.


43 posted on 01/09/2012 2:42:21 PM PST by dfwgator
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44 posted on 01/09/2012 2:45:26 PM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-Free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: kathsua
It's easy to see why the BCS pitted #1 LSU against #2 Alabama for the BCS National Championship game. It's the only way they could ensure that an SEC team would lose the National Championship game! LOL!

Heck, even our 3rd place SEC West division Arkansas Razorbacks won the Cotton Bowl and finished the season 11-2 and could likely end up in the top 5 at season's end.

45 posted on 01/09/2012 2:52:49 PM PST by OB1kNOb (The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and pay the penalty. - Prov 22:3)
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To: JohnKinAK
The statement from you I responded to:

If Bama beats LSU tonight, then what? Since LSU already beat Bama, each could claim the BCS Championship, since each would only have one loss - to each other.

There are many situations in sports where each team could have one loss, to each other, but only one win a championship, or advance in a tournament. That was the point you made and it is a fairly ridiculous point because the situation you describe is so common.

46 posted on 01/09/2012 2:52:57 PM PST by Will88
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To: dfwgator

I definitely don’t underestimate their defenses, but it’s remotely possible I undervalue their offenses. Still, OSU’s O is superior to both and would allow them to be competitive. Besides OSU has a secret weapon— their head coach is a MAN.


47 posted on 01/09/2012 2:57:57 PM PST by Dysart (#Changeitback)
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To: kathsua

I love all these drones mindlessly claiming that LSU and Ala are obviously the number 1 and number 2. Says who? I guess that the Steelers should go on to play the Pats rather than the Broncos, and the Canucks should be given the Stanley Cup by virtue of their regular season, since they finished with 14 points more than Boston. Oh, and forget about those pretenders VCU and Butler. Duke should have been crowned the champ last year.


48 posted on 01/09/2012 3:25:02 PM PST by jimmygrace
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To: Sudetenland
Not a fan of BCS, but it's the best solution we've got unless you want to extend the college season into February with a bracket of 16.

I'm going to let you in on a huge secret. There are college football teams that engage in a 16-team playoff series. It's a dirty little secret that the BCS and Division I athletic departments and media try to keep hidden from Division I fans.

Three out of the four college divisions that play college football have 16-team playoffs.

FCS: http://www.ncaa.com/interactive-bracket/football/fcs

Division II:http://www.ncaa.com/interactive-bracket/football/d2

Division III: http://www.ncaa.com/interactive-bracket/football/d3

16 Teams
First Round: November 19
Second Round: November 26
Quarterfinals: December 3
Semifinals: December 10
Championship: Dec 17

I had an athletic director from a public BCS school with over 25,000 students and plenty of money tell me to my face that BCS teams doesn't have the resources to engage in a playoff series and that the players couldn't handle it.

And yet, Division III PoDunk University with 2,200 students and which is a private university has the resources to compete in a 16-team playoff series.

No offense to alumni of the University of Mount Union which came in second to the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater in the Division III championship.

I just find it amusing that a huge school with tens of thousands of students and alumni who donate millions to athletics doesn't have the resources to compete in a playoff series, but a privately funded university with 2,200 students does.
49 posted on 01/09/2012 3:39:20 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr; All

My mistake, I forget that Division I-AA/FCS are the same.


50 posted on 01/09/2012 3:42:45 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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