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Vanity: National Agricultural Classification Survey - WTF?!
1/10/12 | dagogo redux

Posted on 01/10/2012 7:54:43 PM PST by dagogo redux

Well, here’s the totalitarian state, right before my eyes!

Today in the mail came a largish envelop for me from The “National Agricultural Statistics Service”, postage and fees paid by USDA Permit No. G-38.

A prominant blocked off area on the envelop front stated in large bold letters, “YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW.”

Also on the envelop and several places inside I find Obama-style logos for the USDA, and one with “AGRICULTURE COUNTS” around the outside, and at the base of the rolling landscape “NASS,” which stands for National Agricultural Statistics Service.

That’s right: now we have a National Agricultural Classification Survey, aka U.S. Census of Agriculture Report, aka NACS_01 (10/20/11) Project 633.

It’s a 4 page census form wanting to know all manner of info about myself and my 1.35 acres, including exquisit details about Acres Operated, Cropland, Grain Storage, Livestock, Poultry, Aquaculture, and Bees, as well as business details such as Production Contracts, Labor, Sales, Federal Farm Program Payments and Expenses. We have some vegetable and flower gardens and a few fruit trees - all for our own enjoyment and consumption. 1.35 acres.

We then have a full page chock full of nosey little questions about the Internet Access of “The Operation,” and about the personal info of The Operator(s), any Change of Operator, Possible Duplication or Other Names of the operator or operations.

An accompanying letter with the Obama logos of two types at the top has the following instructions:

“If you do not have any agricultural activity, or believe that you have received this in error, please indicate that on the form and return it so we can update our records.”

This is followed - in HUGE, BOLD font inside a bold, three-edged window - by the heart of the matter:

“The National Agricultural Classification Survey (NACS) is required by law. If you do not reply, you may be personally visited or you may receive a telephone call.”

WTF?


TOPICS: Agriculture; Gardening; Government
KEYWORDS: bigag; biggov; bondcollapse; default; dollarcollapse; economy; garden; gardens; usdasurvey
Anyone know anything about this horse sh*t?

Besides a letter or two and some phone calls to Congress critters, I think I will make the non-answering of this crap my first official act of civil disobedience.

I understand I may risk being “personally visited,” or “may receive a phone call,” but I’ll just have to deal somehow with those important matters if/ when they arise.

1 posted on 01/10/2012 7:54:56 PM PST by dagogo redux
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To: dagogo redux

Tell them that you are growing marijuana and they’ll send you a subsidy check and a government contract to supply the schools in urban areas as part of a cultural development project to encourage the next generation of rap stars.


2 posted on 01/10/2012 7:58:34 PM PST by festusbanjo (Planning my escape regardless of which party is in charge.)
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To: dagogo redux

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2829532/posts


3 posted on 01/10/2012 7:59:30 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: dagogo redux
Don't you raise Brown Recluse and Black Widow spiders for fun and profit.

You tell them about that and you will never get any visits!

4 posted on 01/10/2012 8:00:19 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: dagogo redux

I received one this year, as I have several times in the past. Just shred the damn thing - I have never sent one back. Only once did a contract worker knock on my door - they were promptly told to leave immediately, which they did.

The maximum fine for non-compliance is $100.00. I have never been fined. If I were, I would etch “kiss my a$$” on 10,000 pennies and hand deliver the bag.


5 posted on 01/10/2012 8:01:21 PM PST by RobertClark ("Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: dagogo redux

Shredder. That was easy!


6 posted on 01/10/2012 8:01:25 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (You know, 99.99999965% of the lawyers give all of them a bad name)
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To: dagogo redux

Are you new to agriculture?

I explained the last time this was raised, this survey is related to the Census of Agriculture, which is done every 5 years. Farmers have responded to it for decades, and don’t make a big deal of it. Rather than complain to those who can’t help you, you’d be better served by contacting the agency who sent the survey, especially if you’re not engaged in agriculture.


7 posted on 01/10/2012 8:02:25 PM PST by bigbob
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To: dagogo redux
There were threads a few months back that the administration was cracking down on anyone with the ability to produce food. I don't recall if they were going to make it illegal, but Obama was setting the stage to regulate your vegetable garden.

Guess it's here.

As I keep saying, voting won't get us back our freedom. Only hard measures can do that.

8 posted on 01/10/2012 8:02:51 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: Deaf Smith

Sorry - didn’t see that, and didn’t pick it up with a search.

Thanks for that link.


9 posted on 01/10/2012 8:03:03 PM PST by dagogo redux (`)
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To: dagogo redux

What they really want to know if how many sheep you have! :-)


10 posted on 01/10/2012 8:03:58 PM PST by Iowa Granny (Clintion ruined a dress, but Obama ruined a Nation.)
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To: dagogo redux

You must obey the public serpents.


11 posted on 01/10/2012 8:04:27 PM PST by PGR88
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To: dagogo redux

This is the second post I’ve seen. There was another FReeper, I believe, that posted about this. I wish i could remember his/her monicker.....but I can’t. Scary.


12 posted on 01/10/2012 8:05:04 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (A MUST WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KeOLurcQaqI)
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To: dagogo redux
"I understand I may risk being “personally visited,”"

I suggest you put up a very large sign, warning trespassers of the presence of self defense weapons on your property, and indicate that in your response.

13 posted on 01/10/2012 8:09:08 PM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: dagogo redux; RushIsMyTeddyBear
Fedzilla is demanding I complete a 4-page survey ... about my garden! (vanity)
14 posted on 01/10/2012 8:11:24 PM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: dagogo redux

Fill in that you are a Hobby Farm and raise Free Range Rattlesnakes, stop by for a visit any time.


15 posted on 01/10/2012 8:12:12 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: dagogo redux

Its real and has been discussed here.

My suggestions:
Do not fill out the form.
On a separate sheet of paper write.
You have no jurisdiction over my family garden.
Upon your arrival, please read my Trespass warnings.
This kind of crap is why the USDA is closing 249 offices.


16 posted on 01/10/2012 8:13:08 PM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: thouworm

That’s it, tw! Thanks!


17 posted on 01/10/2012 8:13:43 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (A MUST WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KeOLurcQaqI)
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To: dagogo redux

Just another step in the war on “survivors”.


18 posted on 01/10/2012 8:14:47 PM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: PGR88

My response should perhaps be modeled on those great burn-a-Koran YouTube videos, only I would not burn the thing, but use the survey, letter and envelop to demonstrate composting for home gardeners.


19 posted on 01/10/2012 8:15:20 PM PST by dagogo redux (`)
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To: RobertClark
I would etch “kiss my a$$” on 10,000 pennies and hand deliver the bag.

To heck with delivering. Go to their website http://www.nass.usda.gov/Surveys/index.asp and email them.

"It is on the front porch. If you hustle you might beat the local neighborhood kids to it."

Then I would set up a camera to get the video of them trying to make off with a pile of pennies.

Oh, I didn't mention the "no bag" part? Sorry `bout that!

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20 posted on 01/10/2012 8:22:10 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

I haven’t looked at the gardening thread yet - is this stuff in there? I’ll ping you to another thread on this momentarily.


21 posted on 01/10/2012 8:22:23 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: dagogo redux
Government statistical information important to all big, global agriculture. They tried to virtually outlaw small farms (S. 510), but the Tester Amendment stopped them...for now.


22 posted on 01/10/2012 8:22:44 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: dagogo redux

Tell them to pound it.


23 posted on 01/10/2012 8:23:09 PM PST by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: dagogo redux

I got one, too. Not sure what to do with it yet.


24 posted on 01/10/2012 8:28:45 PM PST by Rio (DNRC)
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To: festusbanjo

“If you do not reply, you may be personally visited or you may receive a telephone call.”

Oooh! The dreaded phone call. You are required by law to answer your phone and/or the front door. Not!!

Personally given the times we live in and the new FEMA camps with all the vacancies still available I would make a notation that there are no agricultural activities going on at the site and you must have received the survey in error and just send it back.


25 posted on 01/10/2012 8:38:58 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: bigbob

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”

-Samuel Adams


26 posted on 01/10/2012 8:53:34 PM PST by hadit2here ("Most men would rather die than think. Many do." - Bertrand Russell)
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To: dagogo redux

If the envelope wasn’t sent certified mail requiring you to sign for it, you never received it.

Toss it in the shredder or woodstove. At least in the woodstove you will get some heat for your trouble, and burning worthless government documents is carbon neutral, so it is kinda green if you think about it that way.


27 posted on 01/10/2012 8:54:57 PM PST by wrench
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To: dagogo redux

Just say, “NO HABLO INGLES” and they’ll leave you alone.


28 posted on 01/10/2012 9:00:51 PM PST by Humidston (For the first time in my adult life I FEAR my government.)
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To: samadams2000

You have to prohibit these federal agencies from having enforcement authority on their regulations.

That is the only thing that will stop it.

When a globalist is given a position in the federal bureaucracy they begin to implement international law in their regulations. With their own police authority the become a rogue government and they can do anything they wish to do.

So you get these socialist dictator rulings from the executive branch that mirror all the edicts coming down from the G20, and the nefarious UN subsidiaries.

Because we have no penalties as citizens we can enforce on them when they violate the Constitution, we are powerless.


29 posted on 01/10/2012 9:11:58 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: dagogo redux

Just because the survey is required by law, it does not mean that you are required to answer. It does mean that they have to conduct the survey and ask you the questions.


30 posted on 01/10/2012 9:51:31 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol

If they have their own police force, like NOAA and the Department of Education, they’ll enforce it themselves. That corruption of the US Constitution effectively creates a rogue government that is a law unto itself.

There’s no protection if they come after you.

Citizens must demand penalties on these rogue agencies and individual bureaucrats for violating the Constitution and then ensure that they are enforced.


31 posted on 01/10/2012 10:00:02 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: dagogo redux

YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW

Bullsh!t

Are they going to send the Crop Cops to arrest you?


32 posted on 01/10/2012 10:17:05 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> - - -)
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To: dagogo redux

If you’re a farmer you’ve seen these before and it’s no big deal. If you aren’t, answer “no” to the first four questions and send it back.


33 posted on 01/10/2012 10:44:03 PM PST by stormer
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To: dagogo redux

There is a section to fill out if you are no longer farming and they won’t send it to you anymore.

The USDA Ag Statistics branch keeps track of deaths of livestock by predators among many, many other things.

If later down the line a cougar or a wolf eats your dog, you can join with livestock producers against the folks who would rather see wolves than cattle on the prairie and prefer to buy “sustainable” bamboo fiber (aka nylon - an extruded, chemically processed product) rather than wool.


34 posted on 01/11/2012 4:35:17 AM PST by finnsheep
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To: dagogo redux

Throw it in the trash. You will not be visited.


35 posted on 01/11/2012 7:24:05 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: FreedomPoster

Thanks for the ping. This stuff is garbage. I don’t know whether the USDA computer burped and spit out a bunch of new addresses, or if they are trolling for info. Either way, the surveys can be trashed. I do it every year and we have a farm.


36 posted on 01/11/2012 7:28:10 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: dagogo redux

Did you fill out the census forms? Talk about an invasion of privacy.


37 posted on 01/11/2012 9:23:45 AM PST by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Neoliberalnot

No I did not, and will not. We are not “Farming” or running a “Farming Operation” on our 1.35 acres, and it is none of the Federal government’s business if we were.

If we build a dog house or a bird feeder on our property, do we need to justify that we are not a “Construction Operation” that the Feds need to be aware of? If I sit outside and read a book on my property, do I need to fill out a census form about a possible “Proof Reading Operation” that the Feds need to be aware of?

I draw the line here: my first, but probably not my last act of civil disobedience. So it begins, at least for me.


38 posted on 01/11/2012 8:53:02 PM PST by dagogo redux (`)
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To: dagogo redux

I didn’t make it clear—I was referring to filling out the human population census back in 2009 or so. We didn’t fill out the mailed form and were visited by some serf with a scanner and GPS unit. There is no privacy, there is no free speech, there is no escape as far as I can see.


39 posted on 01/12/2012 7:15:16 AM PST by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: dagogo redux

first ‘forwarding service requested’ is only good for first class mail.
second google pobox 5115 jeffersonville IN leads to an online mailing service.
third google National Agriculture——etc has an address in washington d.c. their website also states only businesses of 1,000 dollars or more and that their agricultural survey will be conducted in the ‘latter part of 2012’
my suggestion is stuff the business reply mail envelope with local farmers market ads and mail back-—free to you, cost to them.


40 posted on 01/12/2012 8:05:39 PM PST by fiddler300
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