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MILLER: I bought a gun, but...
The Washington Times ^ | January 24, 2012 | Emily Miller

Posted on 01/24/2012 6:49:00 AM PST by Timber Rattler

After days of calls, emails, tweets, comments and posts, I finally bought the exact gun I wanted, the two-tone version of the Sig Sauer P229 9mm. I’m so excited to shoot my new purchase, but in the nation’s capital, it's not that simple. Buying a gun doesn’t mean you get to have the gun.

Washington, D.C. has a list of firearms that are eligible to be registered. The make, model and even the color (two-tone) of the gun I wanted was on the list, but I had a bear of a time finding one with a D.C.-legal 10-round magazine. The standard version has a 13-round capacity.

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And, that is the “but” in this story. Although I have paid and ordered the gun, I can’t take possession of it until it is transferred to Mr. Sykes, and I get an approved registration certificate.

In order to get this certificate, I still have to do the following: take a written test on the city’s firearm laws; get Mr. Sykes to fill out the application form; have the eligibility form notarized; get two passport photos and prove that my eyesight is better or equal to the driver’s license requirement (20/70 in best eye and field of vision of at least 140 degrees).

Next, I have to take all the forms to the registry office; pay $60 in fees; wait five days for the application to be approved; wait an additional five days for Mr. Sykes to be able to release my gun; and take the gun to the police for a ballistics test.

Finally, if I pass all of these steps, I should be able to take possession of the gun that I already bought.

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TOPICS: Government; Local News; Politics
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; dc; gun; miller
Emily Miller's DC gun purchase saga continues...
1 posted on 01/24/2012 6:49:05 AM PST by Timber Rattler
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To: Timber Rattler

Gun laws only empower politicians and criminals, but I repeat myself.


2 posted on 01/24/2012 6:56:15 AM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: Timber Rattler

How can people live under such repressive governments?


3 posted on 01/24/2012 6:58:11 AM PST by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Too bad you don’t live in Virginia.


4 posted on 01/24/2012 7:00:42 AM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: Timber Rattler

I wonder how the media would treat the RKBA, if in order to exercise their first amendment rights, they had to jump through these exact same loops to publish an article.


5 posted on 01/24/2012 7:03:36 AM PST by Boiling point
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To: Timber Rattler

Of course armed criminals, drug dealers and street thugs who frequent the streets of DC all have complied with this law so its residents are now safe from gun crime. That law abiding citizens wanting to exercise their Constitutional RIGHT to have a firearm have to go through this ludicrous process is just plain stupid. Just how does this process reduce gun crime in Washington DC as the criminal element certainly doesn’t comply with these laws ?


6 posted on 01/24/2012 7:06:16 AM PST by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher)
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To: Timber Rattler
At what point does she have to demonstrate that she can pat her head and rub her belly at the same time?
7 posted on 01/24/2012 7:07:09 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Timber Rattler

People need to learn to “vote with their feet”. Emily, just move to Georgia ... we’ll treat you right.


8 posted on 01/24/2012 7:10:59 AM PST by GingisK
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To: Boiling point
I wonder how the media would treat the RKBA, if in order to exercise their first amendment rights

Aaaaah. Therein lies the question, doesn't it? I have asked that question of gun grabbing liberals to which I get a quick, hmmmf, in reply. The discussion goes no further.

9 posted on 01/24/2012 7:13:23 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Puppage

It’s a damned good question.
Maybe Brian Williams can be made to ask...


10 posted on 01/24/2012 7:16:08 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Eh ?)
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To: Timber Rattler

I had a SIG p229 in .40 S&W, and it was the dagnabbinest jammin’ gun I ever had.
If I used the creem of the preem ammo, it didn’t jam. But with the good old middlin’ Winchester, Remington and Federal American Eagle ammo, at least one round per magazine would be a hanger.
Anybody else ever have that trouble? Obviously I bought the SIG because from everything I’d read or experimented with, it was supposed to be “as good as it gets”.
It was probably a lemon, which is why I am sour on the gun, and the brand for that matter.
I traded it straight across for a Springfield 1911 which I am very proud of — and nary a jam with that affordable ammo.


11 posted on 01/24/2012 7:17:00 AM PST by Migraine (Diversity is great; until it happens to YOU.)
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To: Migraine

1911...there is no substitute :)


12 posted on 01/24/2012 7:21:52 AM PST by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior firepower is the cure)
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To: Migraine

I too bought a Springfield 1911 a1 in. 45 auto.then I gave it to my daughter.
I have a Kimber but I miss the Springfield.
A gun doesn’t mind if you buy another gun


13 posted on 01/24/2012 7:27:32 AM PST by South Dakota (shut up and drill)
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To: Timber Rattler

I’d rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6.

screw ‘em, wait until you have to use it and then, when charged, sue them again for unconstitutional restrictions on access.

This list of crap is unacceptable obstruction and infringement of the 2nd Ammendment.


14 posted on 01/24/2012 7:38:30 AM PST by G Larry (We need Bare Knuckles Newt to fight this battle.)
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To: GingisK

What happens when you run out of places to run to?


15 posted on 01/24/2012 7:53:31 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Migraine

I hear ya.

I’ve always wanted a Sig and finally picked up a used P239 in the .40, which I—like you apparently—figured would have plenty enough punch to avoid the epizoodiks that seem to plague the smaller Sigs.

But sho’ nuff I’m running into one misfire per every couple mags which to me negates the entire idea of carrying a sidearm. What is a guy supposed to do in an emergency? Assure himself that what the hell, my odds are 10 or 15 to one against a dud?

So far I have only been firing the Winchester 165 gr. baldies...but, one, a top-shelf handgun ought to work just fine on good target rounds, and two, who the hell has the $ to practice regularly with premium hollow points?

I also have a SA XD sub in the .40 and it NEVER jams or misfires...and even my tiny little Kahr PM9 pops along perfectly as long as I keep it reasonably clean.

Go figure.


16 posted on 01/24/2012 7:56:04 AM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: Timber Rattler

“...and take the gun to the police for a ballistics test.”

Not often you see 2 Constitutional Amendments (4th & 5th) violated in order to violate another Constitutional Amendment (2nd).


17 posted on 01/24/2012 7:57:42 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Timber Rattler

And I thought MA was bad.


18 posted on 01/24/2012 8:03:19 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("The price of freedom is willingness to do sudden battle anywhere, anytime..." - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Migraine
I had a SIG p229 in .40 S&W, and it was the dagnabbinest jammin’ gun I ever had.

Ahhh...you've never owned a Firestar M43 9mm. That hunk of iron would beat the one-hang-per-mag ratio hands down on any day of the week.

Of course, there was a fix. Drill out the pin hole for the ejector, install the factory designed upgrade (if you can find one) and put in a heavier recoil spring. A Wolff 24 pounder would do. But chambering a round with that sucker is a chore. I'm glad I sold it and got a Rueger LC9.

19 posted on 01/24/2012 8:09:12 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("The price of freedom is willingness to do sudden battle anywhere, anytime..." - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Fightin Whitey

I also like the XD...but if I can only have one, I would choose the 1911...

With a Glock or XD, when I am out of ammo, I have a piece of plastic. With a 1911, when I am out of ammo I still have a 5 lb club... ;)


20 posted on 01/24/2012 8:09:42 AM PST by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior firepower is the cure)
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To: Timber Rattler

And this is why I love living in Alabama.

Walk in the store, buy the gun, instant check, leave with the gun.

Fill out the CCW form, turn it in with my $20 walk out with my card.


21 posted on 01/24/2012 8:11:14 AM PST by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: Dead Corpse
What happens when you run out of places to run to?

Ever cornered a raccoon? Or a badger? They know what to do.

22 posted on 01/24/2012 8:11:20 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("The price of freedom is willingness to do sudden battle anywhere, anytime..." - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Timber Rattler

The people involved with subverting the US Supreme Court’s decision in the matter of handguns for DC residents and implementing punitive draconian additive requirements should ALL be summarily indicted and imprisoned in ASS BANGING JAIL for a period not to exceed the time it takes to go from a “tweet fart” to a “flatulant hippo expulsion”.....So say we all....


23 posted on 01/24/2012 8:11:20 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Happens more and more these days.


24 posted on 01/24/2012 8:13:09 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Timber Rattler
Still not as bad as here in NY.

1st, I had to go to a gun shop and purchase a gun that I was not even allowed to touch. All I got was a purchase receipt to attach to my permit application.

2nd, Fill out an application, plus have 4 character questionnaires filled out by people that have known me at least 4 years, and live in the same county. These had to be notarized, and asked some pretty intrusive questions of my references, such as THEIR social security number, address and phone where THEY work...

3rd, wait about 5 weeks for an appointment to hand in the application, and be finger printed.

4th, Wait 6 months and 9 days for my application to be approved.

5th, Get my permit and voucher and return to the gun shop to finally get the gun that I bought 8 months ago.

Even now, it takes about a month to add a gun to my permit.

25 posted on 01/24/2012 8:15:32 AM PST by NYleatherneck (It ain't a World War until the French surrender.)
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To: NYleatherneck

Unbelievable! I like the comment one of the posters made at the source link: What if citizens had to go through as much red tape to exercise their 1st Amendment rights as they do their 2nd?


26 posted on 01/24/2012 8:27:33 AM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: Dead Corpse
What happens when you run out of places to run to?

I'm not sure; however, I suspect that won't be pretty. I keep hoping that the ballot box will prevail ... eventually. I think the base problem is that Americans aren't who they used to be. The government indoctrination centers called "schools" have changed the topography of politics in terrible ways.

27 posted on 01/24/2012 8:33:38 AM PST by GingisK
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To: Bernard Marx

Unbelievable is right... And NYC has it even worse. At least I can carry mine (just not in the city).


28 posted on 01/24/2012 8:37:39 AM PST by NYleatherneck (It ain't a World War until the French surrender.)
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To: GingisK

Unfortunately, history shows that no one does anything meaningful to right these wrongs until it is FAR too late.


29 posted on 01/24/2012 8:40:38 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
I'm glad I sold it and got a Rueger LC9

That's what my brother has! I like that gun a lot. We traded off at the cinder pit one day and each shot the other's gun; he liked my 1911! We left it at that and didn't trade; but for accuracy and reliability, that Ruger of yours is a dandy!

30 posted on 01/24/2012 8:53:01 AM PST by Migraine (Diversity is great; until it happens to YOU.)
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To: Migraine

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31 posted on 01/24/2012 8:54:05 AM PST by Migraine (Diversity is great; until it happens to YOU.)
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To: Timber Rattler
I just wonder how much longer our bureaucratic class think they can continue to abuse their employers...and thumb their noses at the real problems to which they owe their very existence
32 posted on 01/24/2012 9:04:25 AM PST by mo
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To: Timber Rattler

At what point will the Supreme Court step in again with the obvious ruling that this woman’s God-given and constitutionally-protected right to keep and bear arms has been infringed?


33 posted on 01/24/2012 9:15:46 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: commish

ROLL TIDE

I was about to make the exact same comment when I read yours. Great minds and all that...


34 posted on 01/24/2012 9:22:43 AM PST by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Wow,
In contrast, in Texas for the same gun- Go to a gun show, browse around for a while. Find what you want. Fill out a little paperwork and the dealer calls in for a quick background check. Give the dealer some money. Walk out with your gun.


35 posted on 01/24/2012 9:58:01 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Migraine

Frankly, I have issues using reloads with pretty much everything but a Walther, CZ, or Springfield. I think tolerances are getting so tight these days, if something is even slightly off, there could be a jam.


36 posted on 01/24/2012 10:00:45 AM PST by mnehring
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To: South Dakota
I bought a Sig 1911 carry Scorpion this past weekend at the local funshow.

Looking forward to taking her to the range her for a test drive.

Unrelated note, spent a few minutes at the show talking with a local PD officer (and fellow gun nut) about our favorite weapons. SO much for the dreaded "gun show loophole"...

:-)

37 posted on 01/24/2012 10:12:14 AM PST by Jonah Hex ("To Serve Manatee" is a cookbook!)
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To: Magnum44
I also like the XD...but if I can only have one, I would choose the 1911... With a Glock or XD, when I am out of ammo, I have a piece of plastic. With a 1911, when I am out of ammo I still have a 5 lb club... ;)

I carry the XD 9mm 3" subcompact with a 10 round mag and two 10 round back-up mags. If I can't put down an assailant with 31 rounds, then I don't need a 5 lb. club; rather, I need more time at the range.

38 posted on 01/24/2012 10:59:00 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Labyrinthos

No problem...everybody has their favorite(s)

I just like the 1911, fits my hand better. Also, I am currently located in a more suburban than rural environment, so for home D, I want my rounds to be higher mass but slower muzzle velocity. Just consideration for my neighbors... :)


39 posted on 01/24/2012 12:06:57 PM PST by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior firepower is the cure)
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To: Labyrinthos

I’ve got an XD-9 with the 4” police service barrel, 16-round magazines and fitted with a Crimson Trace laser sight. Best 9mm I’ve ever owned - it feeds JHP’s flawlessly; it’s also well-balanced for a composite frame pistol and is easy to maintain. I find the trigger safety to be superfluous, but you get used to it. Still love my 1911’s though.


40 posted on 01/24/2012 12:25:32 PM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: NYleatherneck
It's amazing what you are made to go through to exercise your lawful rights in New York. Whenever I want to buy a gun here in NH, I walk into the shop, handle the ones in which I might be interested, choose one, fill out the Federal form, wait 5-10 minutes for a return phone call, pay and walk out of the store.

Concealed carry permits must be issued by town Chiefs of Police and are deniable only for a few specific reasons. Costs $10 every five years to renew. In a few weeks, I'm going to buy a nice little J-frame pistol for the wife. The entire transaction will probably take no more than 25 minutes.

41 posted on 01/24/2012 12:35:08 PM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: Fightin Whitey
I also have a SA XD sub in the .40 and it NEVER jams or misfires.

I have the XD.45 Compact. I don't know how many thousands of rounds have been through it. I have never had it jamb, hang up, missfire, etc. I've shot "a friends" hand packed ammo through it and it fired. I've experimented with the widest of hollow points and even those rubber tipped defense ammo. The gun fires them all. It and my .357 snubby are absolutely reliable. And that is comforting for self defense.

That gun is the only semi-auto that I have never had a single jamb with. Berretta, Glock, Kimber...

42 posted on 01/24/2012 12:50:06 PM PST by Tenacious 1
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To: andy58-in-nh
Concealed carry permits must be issued by town Chiefs of Police and are deniable only for a few specific reasons. Costs $10 every five years to renew. In a few weeks, I'm going to buy a nice little J-frame pistol for the wife. The entire transaction will probably take no more than 25 minutes.

Ditto Indiana on purchase ease. But I got you on the carry permit. We used to have the 5 year thing. But now we are lifetime permit holders. We don't have to renew. I do recommend getting the cheap paper license laminated however.

43 posted on 01/24/2012 12:59:50 PM PST by Tenacious 1
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To: Tenacious 1

Thanks - I do laminate my license, but we may be in luck. A bill currently before the NH legislature would eliminate the entire permit requirement - just like Alaska, Vermont and Arizona - Constitutional carry.


44 posted on 01/24/2012 1:05:22 PM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: NYleatherneck

“Still not as bad as here in NY.
1st, I had to go to a gun shop and purchase a gun that I was not even allowed to touch. All I got was a purchase receipt to attach to my permit application.

2nd, Fill out an application, plus have 4 character questionnaires filled out by people that have known me at least 4 years, and live in the same county. These had to be notarized, and asked some pretty intrusive questions of my references, such as THEIR social security number, address and phone where THEY work...

3rd, wait about 5 weeks for an appointment to hand in the application, and be finger printed.

4th, Wait 6 months and 9 days for my application to be approved.

5th, Get my permit and voucher and return to the gun shop to finally get the gun that I bought 8 months ago.

Even now, it takes about a month to add a gun to my permit.”

That really depends upon the county where you live. In my county, both the Sheriff, who processes the application, and the judge, who approves the application, are true Americans with a healthy respect of the Second Amendment. Yes, the application is an irrational burden (why should it matter whether the references live in the same county as the applicant or across the street in an adjoining county?); but not nearly as onerous as you suggest. For example, in my county, the references are only required to have known the applicant for 6 months, not 4 years; the reference’s social security number is not required; and while the applicant must disclose the reference’s occupation and telephone number, the name and address of the reference’s employer is not a requirement. In addition, we are not required to pass a test on the state’s firearm laws, take a safey course, or pass a proficiency exam.

Assuming you can read and follow relatively simple, but irrational directions, the entire process in my county — from the submission of the application to the receipt of the permit — is about two months, and out of that time period, I waited six weeks for the interview to submit the application and two weeks to receive the permit.

In my county, the time to add a handgun to a permit is two to four weeks depending upon when the appplicant submits the one page application to the sheriff to update the permit. (All the applications go from the sheriff to the judge on Tuesday morning and from the judge back to the sheriff on the following Tuesday. The sheriff needs one to two business days to process the application before sending it to the judge and the outside vendor needs a few days to print the new permit once the application is approved by the judge. Throw in a few days to mail the new permit back to the applicant and the process takes 2 to 4 weeks.)

You are correct in that the a person is not allowed to legally handle a handgun at the gun shop prior to purchase unless he or she already has a valid permit. The solution is to get the permit first and then go shopping.


45 posted on 01/24/2012 1:35:15 PM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: andy58-in-nh
I’ve got an XD-9 with the 4” police service barrel, 16-round magazines and fitted with a Crimson Trace laser sight. Best 9mm I’ve ever owned - it feeds JHP’s flawlessly; it’s also well-balanced for a composite frame pistol and is easy to maintain. I find the trigger safety to be superfluous, but you get used to it. Still love my 1911’s though.

In additon to my XD-9 subcompact, I also have an XD-9 4" service model, which I keep in my truck or office. Both models have been flawless and I know this will get under the skin of our resident Glock-bots, but I'll take the XD over the Glock any day if given the choice.

The XD-9 subcompact is my CCW and it really does conceal nicely. With that said, I am awaiting delivery of a Ruger SP 101 2.25" .357 snubbie.

I do like the 1911 a lot. I just haven't found one yet that I like and can afford that conceals well.

46 posted on 01/24/2012 2:40:56 PM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Labyrinthos

My preference for the Springfield XD over the Glock is due to its use of safety features that the Glock lacks (grip and internal block) as well as its superior fit and finish. A much as I adore them for their brilliant design, traditional 1911’s are usually too heavy to serve as practical CC weapons (the pricey Kimber Ultra Carry II being a notable exception), so I opted for a compact version (the Taurus Millenium (.45ACP; 10 rounds in a double-stack mag, polymer frame and captive-spring assembly). Fits right in the small of my back in an inside waistband holster; it features close tolerance manufacturing and is quite accurate, even at longer range.


47 posted on 01/24/2012 3:05:00 PM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: Timber Rattler
Emily, as said before, it would have been better to buy...
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Red tape and bureaucracy is just a reminder that what a government gives, it can take away, with even greater ease.
48 posted on 01/24/2012 4:33:36 PM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Timber Rattler

It does not sound like you live in the United States. We have a Constitution here that has this amendment:

Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


49 posted on 01/24/2012 7:30:09 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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