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Google announces privacy changes across products; users canít opt out
Washington Post ^ | 1/24/2012 | Cecilia Kang

Posted on 01/24/2012 3:05:35 PM PST by bushwon

Google said Tuesday it will require users to allow the company to follow their activities across e-mail, search, YouTube and other services, a radical shift in strategy that is expected to invite greater scrutiny of its privacy and competitive practices.

The information will enable Google to develop a fuller picture of how people use its growing empire of Web sites. Consumers will have no choice but to accept the changes.

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The policy will take effect March 1 and will also impact Android mobile phone users, who are required to log in to Google accounts when they activate their phones.

FAQ: What kind of data can Google collect and integrate? How will this affect me?

The changes comes as Google is facing stiff competition and recently disappointed investors for the first time in several quarters, failing last week to meet earnings expectations. Apple, perhaps its primary rival, is expected to announce strong earnings Tuesday.

Google’s changes are appeared squarely aimed at Apple and Facebook, which have been successful in keeping people in their ecosystem of products. Google, which makes money by selling ads tailored to its users, is hoping to do the same by offering a Web experience tailored to personal tastes.

“If you’re signed in, we may combine information you’ve provided from one service with information from other services,” Alma Whitten, Google’s director of privacy, product and engineering wrote in a blog post.

“In short, we’ll treat you as a single user across all our products which will mean a simpler, more intuitive Google experience,” she said.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Society
KEYWORDS: dontbeevil; google; internet; privacy; tracking
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Thots on this? Anyone have a good email provider?
1 posted on 01/24/2012 3:05:39 PM PST by bushwon
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To: bushwon

“The information will enable Google to develop a fuller picture of how people use its growing empire of Web sites. Consumers will have no choice but to accept the changes.”

They will if they switch to Firefox and leave the looney left to get tracked.


2 posted on 01/24/2012 3:10:21 PM PST by jessduntno ("'How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think." - Adolph Hitler)
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To: bushwon

Scrooooooooo gooooooogle


3 posted on 01/24/2012 3:12:10 PM PST by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: jessduntno

Or you could switch to SRWare Iron, which is what I use. It’s Chrome with the user tracking removed.

I signed up for my own domain name a few weeks ago. I plan on moving my personal correspondence there to keep it outside of Google’s reach. ~$3.50 a month for my own web site and a bit more email privacy? Yes please!


4 posted on 01/24/2012 3:13:36 PM PST by Cato in PA (Alas, poor Mittens! We knew him too well.)
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To: jessduntno

I have firefox, but I did not think Firefox provides search and email functions...

I use Start Page thru Firefox...but I still have Google email.


5 posted on 01/24/2012 3:13:39 PM PST by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: bushwon

Yahoo is gonna love this!


6 posted on 01/24/2012 3:14:18 PM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Cato in PA

Thanks! I am going to look into this :)


7 posted on 01/24/2012 3:14:50 PM PST by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: Cato in PA

Also, have a look at DuckDuckGo.com. They don’t track you or keep any of your personal information. Their search results are the same ones you get through Bing or Yahoo, so they aren’t quite as good as Google’s in certain cases, but for the added privacy, it’s well worth the sacrifice IMO.


8 posted on 01/24/2012 3:16:31 PM PST by Cato in PA (Alas, poor Mittens! We knew him too well.)
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To: jessduntno
They will if they switch to Firefox and leave the looney left to get tracked.

With a response like that you clearly don't understand the scope of this.

9 posted on 01/24/2012 3:16:40 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: saganite

Indeed. I have both yahoo and google. My kids (one is a computer scientist) lauded gmail. So now I use both. My droid phone has gmail. I guess I need to figure out how/if I can turn off my gmail function. I would rather not get my emails on my phone than have them tracking me. Creepy!


10 posted on 01/24/2012 3:17:10 PM PST by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: bushwon
Not quite as thorough as Google, but much more private:

https://ixquick.com/

11 posted on 01/24/2012 3:17:34 PM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: bushwon
Anyone have a good email provider?

myway.com

12 posted on 01/24/2012 3:18:20 PM PST by Focault's Pendulum
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To: Cato in PA

Do you know how DuckDuck.com compares to Ixquick (Start Page)~they use Google, but they shield user IP addresses.

https://www.startpage.com/eng/company-background.html


13 posted on 01/24/2012 3:22:13 PM PST by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: I cannot think of a name

I thot theyy use Google...


14 posted on 01/24/2012 3:23:35 PM PST by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: Focault's Pendulum

Thanks.


15 posted on 01/24/2012 3:24:46 PM PST by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: bushwon

I think this is a “Real World” data collection project to see how many people really do object to being tracked 24/7 as they use the internet.

The results will be used to determine how GOOGLE will respond in the future to Governments ‘requests’ to monitor us for our own good.


16 posted on 01/24/2012 3:24:46 PM PST by The Working Man (The mantra for BO's reign...."No Child Left a Dime")
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To: bushwon
I wonder what kind of marketing information they think they will derive from email?
17 posted on 01/24/2012 3:33:00 PM PST by chipper dave
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To: bushwon

They could be just an insulating front, but they claim this on their intro page:

Ixquick search engine protects your Privacy!
Ixquick does NOT record your IP address!
Read more on our Privacy position or go directly to Ixquick’s Privacy policy.


18 posted on 01/24/2012 3:33:09 PM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: bushwon

How or what exactly does google track through gmail?
Do they track the content of emails sent and received?
Do they read my private emails?

To my dismay my ISP has started using the gmail email format a few months back. I miss the plain jane emails. There seems to be no escaping google. It’s like a virus.


19 posted on 01/24/2012 3:34:42 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: bushwon

How or what exactly does google track through gmail?
Do they track the content of emails sent and received?
Do they read my private emails?

To my dismay my ISP has started using the gmail email format a few months back. I miss the plain jane emails. There seems to be no escaping google. It’s like a virus.


20 posted on 01/24/2012 3:35:04 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: bushwon

I think this is a “Real World” data collection project to see how many people really do object to being tracked 24/7 as they use the internet.

The results will be used to determine how GOOGLE will respond in the future to Governments ‘requests’ to monitor us for our own good.


21 posted on 01/24/2012 3:38:18 PM PST by The Working Man (The mantra for BO's reign...."No Child Left a Dime")
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To: chipper dave

They are saying that while you are logged in, they will track where you are going if using Google search engine. If you use You Tube, they will monitor that. They can read content of emails and then provide info to advertisers, etc. Ramifications of this are huge and advertising is just the beginning...IMHO.


22 posted on 01/24/2012 3:38:28 PM PST by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: bushwon
Try GMX out of Germany for email, do your homework it ain't perfect.

For Firefox their are so many blockers "Ghostery" etc.

However their are some new add ons that allow you almost (or so they claim) anonymity.

23 posted on 01/24/2012 3:39:25 PM PST by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

sorry about the double post.
I must be doubly upset about this.

Gee, I remember the days when gmail was super secret, by invitation only. I remember when they said they would never infringe on our privacy.

The bubble burst.


24 posted on 01/24/2012 3:40:05 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: I cannot think of a name

Yes; agreed. They use Google and insulate you.

I use them—a lot...like right now LOL. I am interested in new email provider and how to use Droid without Google tracking


25 posted on 01/24/2012 3:40:58 PM PST by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: bushwon

I like Scroogle (screw google)

http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm


26 posted on 01/24/2012 3:45:14 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: bushwon
will also impact Android mobile phone users, who are required to log in to Google accounts when they activate their phones.

And other Android-based devices, such as my Logitech Revue. Couldn't begin using it without a gmail login. This is to watch TV!

27 posted on 01/24/2012 3:46:20 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: bushwon

I’ve never heard of Ixquick before. I’m only now starting to become aware of the privacy encroachments most of the Internet’s popular amenities entail.

Both search engines’ privacy policies are very thorough, but I’ve have to give the edge to Ixquick because, unlike DDG, it doesn’t even store an anonymous list of searches that were conducted.

Ixquick also has image and video search features. DuckDuckGo doesn’t.

The interface is probably a matter of personal preference. I really like how there’s a “proxy” button right there in Ixquick’s search results. DuckDuckGo features zero-click results (search for Google Chrome and you’ll get an info popup without having to visit another website) and shows the favicon for each search result. You can also use DDG to search other sites by following its “bang” (!) syntax. !Google muffins searches Google for muffins. Since I’m used to using a command line, the bang syntax is probably one of my favorite features.

I don’t think you can go wrong with either one.


28 posted on 01/24/2012 3:46:36 PM PST by Cato in PA (Alas, poor Mittens! We knew him too well.)
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To: steve86

“With a response like that you clearly don’t understand the scope of this.”

How so?


29 posted on 01/24/2012 3:48:29 PM PST by jessduntno ("'How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think." - Adolph Hitler)
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To: bushwon

Filename: LMHOSTS

WWW.GOOGLE.COM 127.0.0.1


30 posted on 01/24/2012 3:48:29 PM PST by djf (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2801220/posts)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

See my post #25. I believe like Facebook, they will track where you go on internet - for example garden sites, they will read your email for key words like vacation, reservation, etc. and provide that information to advertisers.

Interesting how this ties in with “behavioral internet pricing/marketing...

http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/01/21/behavioral-pricing-a-consumer%E2%80%99s-worst-nightmare-a-merchant%E2%80%99s-dream/


31 posted on 01/24/2012 3:50:42 PM PST by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: Cato in PA

Yes I use Start Page (Ixquick) my Homepage, but they don’t have email...


32 posted on 01/24/2012 3:53:21 PM PST by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: djf

Along with all the ad and metric type Google addresses, don’t forget 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 — the “fast” DNS servers used by many people on advice of their computer gurus. Google knows every DNS query your machine ever makes!


33 posted on 01/24/2012 3:55:36 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: taildragger

I’ve been using GMX since when it was in English. LOL

It is a German email provider. The website initially was also in English, but they dropped that years ago.

When I signed up, it allowed mail to be received, but not sent, on the free email service. I don’t know whether they have changed that.


34 posted on 01/24/2012 3:56:19 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: steve86

Woah, how do I opt out of this?!


35 posted on 01/24/2012 3:57:22 PM PST by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: djf

Filename: LMHOSTS

WWW.GOOGLE.COM 127.0.0.1


Can you explain?


36 posted on 01/24/2012 3:58:51 PM PST by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: bushwon

FU Google!

I am now using IxQuick exclusively.

unsubscribing to Gmail, which I only use a couple of time a year and looking for alternatives to my SAmsung Galaxy.

I don’t want you or anyone tracking me.

In fact, I’m going to go look for an article I meant to read about unplugging from the internet and going off grid.

I will post it when I find it.


37 posted on 01/24/2012 3:59:38 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: TomGuy

BOOKMARK.


38 posted on 01/24/2012 4:00:37 PM PST by The Cajun (Palin, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Newt, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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To: jessduntno

I have Firefox now, and I use Bing instead of Google. But I guess I have to get out of YouTube, right? Anything else I need to close?


39 posted on 01/24/2012 4:01:36 PM PST by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: bushwon

Well, for that particular thing just use different DNS servers — like the default ones operated by your ISP. But odds are that if they don’t get you in one area they will in another. As an aside I use opendns.com for most of my machines — screens out ‘adult’ and objectionable sites very effectively and can be customized easily. Actually am changing the final machine over to it today. You can add exceptions — a list of sites in a whitelist — if you need to.


40 posted on 01/24/2012 4:06:01 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: bushwon

The LMHOSTS file is a file used by most implementations of TCP/IP protocol in the Windows and Linux and Unix world.

It overrides the standard DNS (Domain Name Service) resolution protocol and re-directs a named domain query to the address specified. 127.0.0.1 is YOUR computer.

That line added to your LMHOSTS file would prevent your computer from ever being able to get to Google again.


41 posted on 01/24/2012 4:12:19 PM PST by djf (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2801220/posts)
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To: djf

Google owns huge numbers of sites — you would have to block them all. For example, here is just a subset of the “doubleclick” sites:

# [Google / DoubleClick][AS15169][64.233.160.0 - 64.233.191.255]
127.0.0.1 m1.2mdn.net #[a509.cd.akamai.net]
127.0.0.1 rmcdn.2mdn.net
127.0.0.1 rmcdn.f.2mdn.net
127.0.0.1 n339.asp-cc.com
127.0.0.1 ads.cc-dt.com
127.0.0.1 clickserve.cc-dt.com
127.0.0.1 creative.cc-dt.com
127.0.0.1 clickserve.dartsearch.net
127.0.0.1 clickserve.eu.dartsearch.net
127.0.0.1 clickserve.uk.dartsearch.net
127.0.0.1 doubleclick.net #[McAfee.Cookie-Doubleclick]
127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.net #[MVPS.Criteria]
127.0.0.1 ad-g.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad2.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.ae.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.ar.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.at.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.au.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.be.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.br.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.ca.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.ch.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.cl.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.cn.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.de.doubleclick.net #[Tracking.Cookie]
127.0.0.1 ad.dk.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.es.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.fi.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.fr.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.gr.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.hk.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.hr.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.hu.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.ie.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.in.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.jp.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.kr.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.it.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.nl.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.no.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.nz.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.pl.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.pt.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.ro.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.ru.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.se.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.sg.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.si.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.terra.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.th.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.tw.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.uk.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.us.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.za.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.n2434.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad-emea.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 creatives.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 dfp.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 feedads.g.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 fls.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 fls.uk.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 googleads.g.doubleclick.net #[pagead-dclk.l.google.com]
127.0.0.1 ir.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 iv.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 m.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 motifcdn.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 motifcdn2.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 n4052ad.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 n4403ad.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 n479ad.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 optout.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 paypalssl.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 pubads.g.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 s2.video.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 doubleclick.ne.jp
127.0.0.1 www3.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 www.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 doubleclick.com
127.0.0.1 www2.doubleclick.com
127.0.0.1 www3.doubleclick.com
127.0.0.1 www.doubleclick.com
127.0.0.1 tpc.googlesyndication.com
# 127.0.0.1 www.youtube-nocookie.com #[affects various videos]
# [Google / DoubleClick][AS15169][66.249.64.0 - 66.249.95.255]
127.0.0.1 ad.rs.doubleclick.net
# [Google / DoubleClick][AS15169][72.14.192.0 - 72.14.255.255]
127.0.0.1 code.adtlgc.com
127.0.0.1 keywords.adtlgc.com
127.0.0.1 svd2.adtlgc.com
127.0.0.1 affiliate.2mdn.net
127.0.0.1 s0.2mdn.net
# 127.0.0.1 static.2mdn.net #[affects Youtube]
127.0.0.1 clickserve.us2.dartsearch.net #[www3.l.google.com]
127.0.0.1 ad-apac.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.mo.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 adclick.g.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 gan.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 gdfp.g.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 googleads2.g.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 n4061ad.hk.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 securepubads.g.doubleclick.net
# [Google / DoubleClick][AS15169][74.125.0.0 - 74.125.255.255]
127.0.0.1 ad.bg.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 cm.g.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 log2.quintelligence.com
# [Google / DoubleClick][AS6432][216.73.80.0 - 216.73.95.255]
127.0.0.1 www.destinationurl.com
127.0.0.1 doubleclick.shockwave.com
127.0.0.1 www3.webhostingtalk.com #[ad.3ad.doubleclick.net]


42 posted on 01/24/2012 4:18:29 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: steve86

The question begs does “Ghostery” ( firefox add on) get these ?


43 posted on 01/24/2012 4:21:24 PM PST by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: bushwon

Many people log into gmail/Google Voice and stay there for the sake of not just the email but being able to use the free phone chat machine which needs both to work.

This is a caution or notice to them that if they also want to do a Google search, since they are logged in Google will look at what went on in their Google mail. I’m surprised there isn’t a setting to control that behavior, however even if you just use gmail, Google already has copies of it (that’s how they can look and how they can furnish it to you). There’s the same danger/opportunity with any email hoster. But now it seems Big Brother would be able to serve warrants for more easily available Google search behavior. Now Google is a decent search machine, and I don’t begrudge them the money they get by showing me ads (and the rare ad I may click to). But whoa, I am not sure I like having to bop out of gmail/Google Voice just in order to do a Google search that Google will not be able to associate with me in the future. Firefox, as far as I know, won’t let you start completely independent private mode browsers — every browser you bring up since the first on your desktop is connected, cookie-wise.


44 posted on 01/24/2012 4:22:07 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: steve86

I know. They have tons of aliases.

Even if you got all their aliases covered, you are still vulnerable because they probably already have YOUR IP address.
And possibly have embedded code or Javascript already on your machine.

I scrub mine pretty regular with AVG and Malwarebytes so I think I’m covered...


45 posted on 01/24/2012 4:24:49 PM PST by djf (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2801220/posts)
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To: taildragger

I think you mean begs to be asked.


46 posted on 01/24/2012 4:27:14 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: taildragger

here is a question, is there a way to use android phone WITHOUT using any gmail? or google?

it would seem this is what caused microsoft to be sued by the gov.


47 posted on 01/24/2012 4:30:22 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: taildragger

here is a question, is there a way to use android phone WITHOUT using any gmail? or google?

it would seem this is what caused microsoft to be sued by the gov.


48 posted on 01/24/2012 4:30:45 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: bushwon
Android mobile phone users, who are required to log in to Google accounts when they activate their phones

Too bad I wasn't in the market for an Android so I could not buy one. I'll be avoiding google like the plague from now on.

49 posted on 01/24/2012 4:35:19 PM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: Bigg Red

There’s nothing about being in a You Tube window of Firefox that will connect with Microsoft’s Bing if you bring Bing up in a different window. This may end up a boost to Bing for Gmail users.


50 posted on 01/24/2012 4:36:54 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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