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Resonances: Coupling between electronic states and vibrational modes (phonons)...
Vortex-L ^ | Wed, 25 Jan 2012 13:28:21 | Mark Iverson

Posted on 01/25/2012 10:01:16 PM PST by Kevmo


[Vo]:Resonances: Coupling between electronic states and vibrational modes (phonons)...
Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint Wed, 25 Jan 2012 13:28:21 -0800
FYI:

The presence of excess heat, and [near] lack of high-E particles/photons
from LENR reactions would require coupling the large amount of E into the
lattice vibrations (phonon modes) instead of into gammas (photons) or
particles (neutrons and subsequently, dead grad-students). The article
below looked into the energy-transfer (coupling) process in photosynthesis.
They discovered that the coupling between electronic states and vibrational
modes is greatly enhanced when they hit the light-harvesting complexes of
algae with a 2-color (wavelength) photon spectroscopy.



How does this apply to LENR? According to DGT, the form of LENR used in
their technology (and likely all Ni-H gas-phase experiments) is a
'multi-stage' process. One of those stages is the coupling of the excess
[nuclear] energy into the lattice instead of the usual gammas or energetic
particles. I would posit that there is something unique about the geometry
of the H-loaded metal lattice and the AMOUNT of heat energy that is present
which determines the frequency of the lattice vibrations (phonons), which
establishes a coherence similar to the below article which couples energy
from electronic states to vibrational modes. The difference is that LENR
would be coupling nuclear energies to the lattice... or could there be
coupling from nuclear to electronic, and then from electronic to phononic?



PhysOrg article:


http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-01-role-quantum-effects-photosynthesis.html


Key phrases:

"By using the newer, less common technique, called two-color photon echo
spectroscopy, the researchers could excite only the pathway in which
[quantum] coherence occurs. Singling out this pathway revealed clear
signatures for strong coupling between the electronic states and the
vibrational modes of the protein matrix (phonons)"



"Our observation of strong coupling between the electronic states and the
phonon modes of the protein matrix provides strong experimental evidence
that classical treatment of these interactions is not sufficient,"



>From the paper's abstract:

"... allowing coherent coupling between otherwise nonresonant
transitions."

which is here:

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jz201600f





Longer excerpt from PhysOrg article:

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"... the quantum coherence in the algae's light-harvesting complexes was
originally observed using 2D electronic spectroscopy, which uses short,
broadband pulses to probe energy dynamics. The use of broadband pulses
(i.e., pulses with a wide range of frequencies) excites many different
pathways simultaneously. Although this technique can be useful, it also
makes it difficult to isolate different processes since multiple excitations
can interact and alter each other's dynamics.



By using the newer, less common technique, called two-color photon echo
spectroscopy, the researchers could excite only the pathway in which
[quantum] coherence occurs. Singling out this pathway revealed clear
signatures for strong coupling between the electronic states and the
vibrational modes of the protein matrix (phonons) in the algae's
light-harvesting complexes. As Davis explained, this type of interaction is
not what is expected from the classical models that have traditionally been
used to describe light harvesting and energy transfer in photosynthesis.



"Our observation of strong coupling between the electronic states and the
phonon modes of the protein matrix provides strong experimental evidence
that classical treatment of these interactions is not sufficient, and that
models including the microscopic details of the coupling interactions are
indeed required," Davis said. "The quantum nature of these interactions
increases the scope for quantum effects to have an impact and enhances the
possibility of coherent energy transfer in photosynthesis."



In the future, the researchers plan to further extend the technique to
investigate these quantum mechanical interactions and the role they play in
light harvesting and energy transfer.



"We are currently exploring the dependence of these coherent interactions on
a number of experimental parameters, including temperature, wavelength and
polarization," Davis said. "These results will enable us to explore the
nature of the excited states, their interactions with the phonon modes of
the protein matrix and the role they play in energy transfer. We also plan
to investigate whether such long-lived coherences also exist between other
states in these systems and ultimately whether coherence transfer between
states occurs and is relevant for photosynthesis."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Politics; Science
KEYWORDS: cmns; coldfusion; ecat; lenr
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg62439.html

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jz201600f

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http://ecatnews.com/?p=1144

Sounds a lot like my favorite LENR theorist, KP Sinha.

Tunneling Beneath the 4He Fragmentation Energy J. Condensed Matter Nucl. Sci. 4 (2011) pages 241–255 ^ | February 2011 | K P Sinha http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2743039/posts Posted on Friday, July 01, 2011 10:45:05 PM by Kevmo J. Condensed Matter Nucl. Sci. 4 (2011) pages 241–255

A model for enhanced fusion reaction in a solid matrix of metal deuterides Wednesday, June 08, 2011 10:14:09 PM · by Kevmo · 35 replies International Conference on Condensed Matter Nuclear Science. 2008 ^ | July 2008 | K P Sinha http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2732072/posts

1 posted on 01/25/2012 10:01:22 PM PST by Kevmo
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To: dangerdoc; citizen; Liberty1970; Red Badger; Wonder Warthog; PA Engineer; glock rocks; free_life; ..

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex- href=”mailto:l@eskimo.com”>l@eskimo.com/msg62439.html

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jz201600f

The Cold Fusion Ping List

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles


http://ecatnews.com/?p=1144

Sounds a lot like my favorite LENR theorist, KP Sinha.

Tunneling Beneath the 4He Fragmentation Energy J. Condensed Matter Nucl. Sci. 4 (2011) pages 241–255 ^ | February 2011 | K P Sinha http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2743039/posts Posted on Friday, July 01, 2011 10:45:05 PM by Kevmo J. Condensed Matter Nucl. Sci. 4 (2011) pages 241–255

A model for enhanced fusion reaction in a solid matrix of metal deuterides Wednesday, June 08, 2011 10:14:09 PM · by Kevmo · 35 replies International Conference on Condensed Matter Nuclear Science. 2008 ^ | July 2008 | K P Sinha http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2732072/posts


2 posted on 01/25/2012 10:02:30 PM PST by Kevmo (If you can define a man by the depravity of his enemies, Rick Santorum must be a noble soul indeed.)
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To: Kevmo
The difference is that LENR would be coupling nuclear energies to the lattice... or could there be coupling from nuclear to electronic, and then from electronic to phononic?

Methinks nuclear modes are in different energy regimes than phonons or electronic excitations: and one would need a mechanism to transfer energy between nuclear excitations and the electron "sea"...haven't done any solid state theory so all I can do is point at the type of thing to look at.

Cheers!

3 posted on 01/25/2012 10:04:27 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Kevmo
Damn, not what I expected from the title.
4 posted on 01/25/2012 10:24:15 PM PST by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: Kevmo
There is always heat before light.....Natural decay to phonon states is neither new, original, or much interesting except from an enthalpic stand point
5 posted on 01/25/2012 10:54:09 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Kevmo

How about a ‘simple’ layman’s explanation of the implications??


6 posted on 01/26/2012 12:44:15 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix; Kevmo

I think he’s just showing off! (But I’ll hang around to see if there is a reply I can understand!)


7 posted on 01/26/2012 12:51:03 AM PST by 21twelve
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To: 21twelve; Kevmo

LOL.

I think Kevmo is a fun dude with a great mind.

However . . . as my teen pastor used to say . . .

Gotta get the hay down outta the loft where the cows can eat it.


8 posted on 01/26/2012 1:12:09 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Kevmo

I’m fascinated by LENR, but don’t have enough physics background to understand it very well. Can anyone recommend a book or article explaining what’s involved which can be understood by someone with only a high school physics background?


9 posted on 01/26/2012 7:25:58 AM PST by rexiesmom
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To: rexiesmom

This one is on-line, free, and has a pretty good introduction. It later gets into more depth:

http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusiona.pdf

Other books, videos, etc.:

http://www.lenr-canr.org/Introduction.html


10 posted on 01/26/2012 2:46:58 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: rexiesmom

I agree with WW. In particular, the book “Excess Heat” is a good read.


11 posted on 01/26/2012 8:14:55 PM PST by Kevmo (If you can define a man by the depravity of his enemies, Rick Santorum must be a noble soul indeed.)
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To: rexiesmom; Quix; 21twelve

OK, here’s my swag.

Basically Phonons are Bosons (electron pairs that are somehow ‘special’). And it is Bosons that are the basis of KP Sinha’s theories.

Here’s how I look at it. Up until now, there’s been no evidence that Phonons/Bosons/Lochons convert their energy from vibration to ‘the grid’, which would mean heat or maybe even electricity.

But here we have an example of it happening in Nature.

And KP Sinha’s theory promotes that possibility (even before this result was developed) as the explanation not only for LENR but for superconductivity as well.

Here’s another way I look at it. Phonons are like blackbirds. Real Small. The ‘grid’, the Palladium (or Nickel) Matrix is like an elephant. Now if I were to tell you that a blackbird could knock over an elephant due ENTIRELY to its kinetic (MOTION) energy, you’d say I was crazy. But blackbirds have been known to swarm in the millions. And they turn on a dime, flying almost as an organic unit. If such an organic unit hit an elephant, it could knock over an elephant. The fascinating thing is... every time we see the elephant get knocked over we see a swarm of blackbirds. And that is the same correlation of excess heat to LENR.


12 posted on 01/26/2012 8:22:56 PM PST by Kevmo (If you can define a man by the depravity of his enemies, Rick Santorum must be a noble soul indeed.)
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To: Quix

I haven’t seen you be all that active lately, Quix. I thought I saw JimRob tell you to basically stay away from UFO threads or sumthin like that.

Is that the case?


13 posted on 01/26/2012 9:23:09 PM PST by Kevmo (If you can define a man by the depravity of his enemies, Rick Santorum must be a noble soul indeed.)
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To: Quix
How about a ‘simple’ layman’s explanation of the implications??

You won't get it. Overall, Kevmo has little concern for the user friendliness of his posts. In addition, part of his strategy is to baffle people into thinking that LENR is a useful science.

14 posted on 01/27/2012 2:22:17 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: rexiesmom
I’m fascinated by LENR, but don’t have enough physics background to understand it very well. Can anyone recommend a book or article explaining what’s involved which can be understood by someone with only a high school physics background?

Check the recommendations on Amazon, and stay away from the cranks associated with LENR.

15 posted on 01/27/2012 2:29:46 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: rexiesmom
Another good place to try:

http://www.khanacademy.org/#physics

16 posted on 01/27/2012 2:33:12 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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17 posted on 01/27/2012 2:55:38 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Moonman62

Hmmmmmmmm

Sigh.

Thx.


18 posted on 01/27/2012 2:59:02 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

In addition, part of his strategy is to baffle people into thinking that LENR is a useful science.
***Moonboy goes out of his way to get things wrong. How would he know my strategy? Has he developed the ability to mindread? At least he’s open about being anti-LENR.


19 posted on 01/27/2012 7:47:51 PM PST by Kevmo (If you can define a man by the depravity of his enemies, Rick Santorum must be a noble soul indeed.)
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To: Kevmo

OK.

What do I know.

I’m just a peanut gallery observer.


20 posted on 01/27/2012 7:51:20 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Kevmo; Wonder Warthog

Thanks for the replies. The sites you suggested have so much information I’ll be reading for days and days. Particularly

http://www.lenr-canr.org/Introduction.html


21 posted on 01/28/2012 8:54:36 AM PST by rexiesmom
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To: Kevmo
How would he know my strategy?

Your constant spamming (which includes hundreds of unreadable, eye-straining cut and paste jobs from blogs and newsgroups) about Rossi and fringe science is a good start.

And exposing LENR for what it is isn't "anti."

22 posted on 01/28/2012 10:38:38 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

This will be my standard post to moonboy that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62

This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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23 posted on 01/28/2012 9:11:04 PM PST by Kevmo (If you can define a man by the depravity of his enemies, Rick Santorum must be a noble soul indeed.)
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To: Quix; ex-Texan

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24 posted on 01/30/2012 12:27:41 AM PST by Joya (http://www.raptureready.com/)
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To: Joya; Quix
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-global-elite-are-hiding-18-trillion-dollars-in-offshore-banks>

There must be something strange going on out there . . .

LOL !

25 posted on 01/30/2012 1:58:23 AM PST by ex-Texan (Ecclesiastes 5:10 - 20)
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To: ex-Texan

THX THX.


26 posted on 01/30/2012 4:48:43 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: ex-Texan

Thanks! Will check it out after work.


27 posted on 01/30/2012 6:19:46 AM PST by Joya (http://www.raptureready.com/)
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To: Kevmo
No doubt more good stuff ~ will probably read it.

Been trying to find an article I saw briefly that raised some concern about MIXING PAINT. Seems there's always been excess heat which was usually explained as caused by friction between particles. More recent findings discounted friction as the source and proposed some form of LENR (at a microscopic level that'd just never been noticed).

This is a real issue in large installations that mix paint and other materials by the gazillion gallons a day.

Some of the work on how chlorophyll really works is rather edgy. Everybody is covering it ~ that and the guys into determining how DNA strands get joined together in the sperm meets egg show.

29 posted on 02/02/2012 7:28:04 PM PST by muawiyah
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