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American Community Survey
US Census ^ | 1/26/2012 | ME

Posted on 01/26/2012 7:46:05 PM PST by John S Mosby

Do I have to respond to the American Community Survey / Puerto Rico Community Survey?

Yes. Respondents are required to answer all questions on the American Community Survey (ACS) to the best of their ability. Response to this and other Census surveys is required by law (Section 221 of Title 13, Chapter 7, United States Code). This chapter also contains information regarding offenses and possible penalties. According to Section 221, persons who do not respond shall be fined not more than $100. Title 18 U.S.C. Section 3571 and Section 3559, in effect amends Title 13 U.S.C. Section 221 by changing the fine for anyone over 18 years old who refuses or willfully neglects to complete the questionnaire or answer questions posed by census takers from a fine of "not more than $100" to "not more than $5,000."

(Excerpt) Read more at askacs.census.gov ...


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: census; government; intrusion; privacy
The American Community Survey is sent out in envelope and says it is required to be answered. Absolutely intrusive, asking names, income, sources, what kind of work, how often. They say there is a penalty for not returning, and the GOP in Aug 2010 made a resolution to get this stopped. Anybody ignore it and have anything happen?
1 posted on 01/26/2012 7:46:13 PM PST by John S Mosby
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To: John S Mosby

I received that survey. I told them how many people lived in my house, my race is “human”, and every page after that I told them was none of their business.

Haven’t heard anything from them.


2 posted on 01/26/2012 7:59:40 PM PST by SkiKnee
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To: John S Mosby

Do you have to file it out and send it back...NO!!! We got one of these the last 2 years. They may eventually call and try to pursude you via extortion via threat of fine, but we have never filled them out and we never will. We have never been fined, nor can they fine us because of the law. they would have to send these to every household, they are not allowed under the law to pick and chose.


3 posted on 01/26/2012 8:01:33 PM PST by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: John S Mosby
They sent them to me 3 years in a row. Haven't filled out one yet. My answering machine gets messages for about a week and then they quit. Then they send me reminders in the mail on how I would help my community if I fill out their survey.

Don't give the government any thing. They always use the information against you. Tell them to kiss your ass.

4 posted on 01/26/2012 8:08:42 PM PST by metalurgist (I Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: John S Mosby

Same experience as others. I ignored it, they called and visited repeatedly...I never answered the door. After a couple weeks they went away. I filled out the standard 10 year deal...but left a cople blank. I refuse to do this long version.


5 posted on 01/26/2012 8:12:38 PM PST by ilgipper (Everything you get from the government was taken from someone else)
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To: John S Mosby
I got one a few years ago. They send reminders, then they start calling you every few days for a month, then about one in three non-responders (number from a few years ago) get personal visits for a month including threatening notes about fines for not responding. Then they go away.

I think it has been fifty years since someone was prosecuted for not filling out the real census, and they were activists publicly announcing they weren't going to respond. As far as I know they haven't brought a case involving the ACS to court, likely because they risk losing the mandatory filing status because this "census" has nothing to do with the Constitutional requirement for Congressional reapportionment.

6 posted on 01/26/2012 8:15:00 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Herman Cain: possibly the escapee most dangerous to the Democrats since Frederick Douglass.)
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To: John S Mosby

bttt


7 posted on 01/26/2012 8:51:31 PM PST by TEXOKIE (... and HAPPY NEW YEAR to all FREEPERS EVERYWHERE!)
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To: SkiKnee
They account for non-responders in the data gathering. The Census really does have to ask this information for statistical purposes - it replaced the Long Form. Your personal information is removed from the data which is used for planning purposes, and that is authorized under the Commerce Clause.

Societies need up to date information, even to dismantle Big Government.

8 posted on 01/26/2012 8:52:23 PM PST by GAB-1955 (I write books, serve my country, love my wife and daughter, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: John S Mosby

We received one about five years ago. I threw it out. A few weeks later comes another one, which I threw out.
Upon receit of the third one, I called them and asked the reason for the intrusive questions. I was told my answer would aid in “funding for your community”. I told her that’s what I object to and I wasn’t going to fill it out. I even offered to send them a check for the fine.
Then I called my senator and my representative to tell them what I thought of their version of central planning, which is clearly what it is for. Why else do they need to know how far I drive to work?
I haven’t heard a thing from them since then.


9 posted on 01/26/2012 8:56:22 PM PST by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: John S Mosby

Yes I know of people directly who have ignored it with no reaction from anyone. Multiple times. I suspect the non-compliance rate is quite high.


10 posted on 01/26/2012 8:58:39 PM PST by bvw
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To: John S Mosby

I’ve got one sitting right here on my desk.

The questions are breathtakingly intrusive.


11 posted on 01/26/2012 9:00:05 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: John S Mosby

A pdf copy of this fascist intrusion for those who are fortunate enough not to have one:

http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Downloads/questionnaires/2012/Quest12.pdf


12 posted on 01/26/2012 9:03:12 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: GAB-1955

So what doesn’t the “Commerce Clause” allow?

To be quite clear the census clause does not require it. And the Fourth Amendment’s “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated” is quite strong in suggestion that the Federal Government has no permit for asking such intrusive questions.


13 posted on 01/26/2012 9:03:31 PM PST by bvw
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To: bvw

The Commerce Clause is the dominant law.

The ACS is not an unusual search under the Fourth Amendment. You are not being penalized for any answer you give to the Census Bureau.

Modern societies need this information; I know from having been there that the identifying information is stripped from the ACS. No one who gets the data knows from whom it came from. It may be annoying but it’s not unconstitutional. Sorry.


14 posted on 01/27/2012 1:14:24 PM PST by GAB-1955 (I write books, serve my country, love my wife and daughter, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: GAB-1955

Sorry sir, but you are as faddish — in a bad bad way — in the Law and understanding of the Law and the Constitution as was the outstanding Jurist Roger B. Taney in his time. Just as in that sad sad time most of the elites of US Law either agreed in principle with Tanny in Scott, or agreed to accept it as settled law, so to do you and many of the modernity in law accept or hold by a very flawed understanding of the rights of men, the right to be secure in our persons, places and effects.


15 posted on 01/27/2012 2:32:10 PM PST by bvw
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To: bvw

What you refer to as “fad” I refer to as “the body of Constitutional decisions.” I would very much prefer that the Federal government be reduced to minimal size and necessary function; we disagree on the means and the optimum size.


17 posted on 01/28/2012 10:37:53 AM PST by GAB-1955 (I write books, serve my country, love my wife and daughter, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: John S Mosby

We received one at my place too. Ain’t the census enough?


18 posted on 01/28/2012 5:29:12 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Holodeck Computer: End Obama Administration simulation program, NOW!!!!)
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To: GAB-1955

The body of the Leviathan. Stare decisis is not good law in and of itself. The “self-evident” moral principles of the Natural Law declared as our Nation’s foundational legal theory must be paramount in every decision. If a decision supposedly according to some long chain of stare decisis does not reconcile to basic morals, then it is the chain of stare decisis which is broken.

Such intrusive questions are immoral. They are immodest.


19 posted on 01/28/2012 9:38:31 PM PST by bvw
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To: GAB-1955
One of America's early mottos:

Mind Your Business


The Fugio Cent


The Continental Dollar Coin

The Founders took seriously our Right to Be Left Alone and to Keep Our Affairs Private. Clearly it was a KEY REASON they were willing to risk life and fortune in a war against the British Monarchy and its intrusiveness into all men's affairs and business.

Be a real American.

Do not support the immodest and deeply un-American intrusive modern census questions.

20 posted on 01/29/2012 3:16:11 PM PST by bvw
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To: bvw

I am a real American. Other Censuses have asked for economic data before. As I have noted, the economic data is decoupled from the personal data, so it cannot be used to trace individual persons. Furthermore, Census workers, including contractors, are sworn to secrecy for life, and there are means to guarantee privacy that I cannot disclose for that reason.


21 posted on 01/29/2012 3:22:43 PM PST by GAB-1955 (I write books, serve my country, love my wife and daughter, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: GAB-1955

The census “household surveys” are fundamentally un-American, for their intrusiveness, just as intrusive, immodest and un-American as the TSA lewd feel-em-ups and naked scanners.

And those bureaucrats and uniformed union brutes and cads of the TSA have equally sad-sack excuses.


22 posted on 01/29/2012 3:53:20 PM PST by bvw
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To: John S Mosby

The collection of “statistics” is a useful function to the American People. The US Census Bureau crossed the line from “statistic gathering” to “intelligence gathering” when it began collecting “Personally Identifiable Information (PII)”. Power to “interrogate” law abiding citizens can only be granted by a Constitutional Amendment and the vote of the people. Unless the US Supreme court reviews and upholds those statutes, no one should provide any type of PII to anyone. The Supreme Court should rule that the American Community Survey is illegal and instruct the Commerce Dept to eliminate all PII from its databases. Just as mail-in ballots avoid PII, the methods for “statistics gathering” should be no less stringent.

I have combined an adaptation of Hayden’s excellent refusal cover letter, excerpts from citizen’s testimonials regarding harassment, a copy of the ACS I found online and mailed it to the Editorial Directors of the nation’s 25 largest news agencies. I have also purchased 50 bumper stickers that say: ‘Google “REFUSAL American Community Survey” as a down payment on my children’s liberty. Please do the same.

Homeland security and emigration control are very important issues; however, the people working them cannot be allowed to trample upon our Constitution. They must propose a solution and put it to the people directly. We all know that it was just this type of information gathering that allowed the German government to carry out it’s atrocities in 1935. Although it’s hard to imagine that happening here, there are other abuses that are easy to imagine such as phone, home, and work place harassment.


23 posted on 02/01/2012 9:45:32 PM PST by Sleeping Giant 2
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To: GAB-1955
Furthermore, Census workers, including contractors, are sworn to secrecy for life, and there are means to guarantee privacy that I cannot disclose for that reason.

I almost spit my coffee through my nose on that one...you are too funny!!!

24 posted on 07/21/2012 1:56:12 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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