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What indoor antennas do FReepers recommend for digital TV receptions (for Super Bowl)
KRISTV.com ^ | 1-28-2011 | Paleo Conservative

Posted on 01/28/2012 2:05:41 PM PST by Paleo Conservative

Due to an ongoing dispute between Time-Warner and my local NBC affiliate KRIS, NBC is not currently carried on my cable system. It's pretty likely this dispute won't be resolved before the Super Bowl next weekend, so I want to find out what model of antennas, I should buy in order to watch the Super Bowl next week. I bought a Terk amplified antenna prior to the Houston Texan's game in the first round, and it didn't work at all. The clerk at the return desk at Best Buy said that lots of people were returning that model.


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1 posted on 01/28/2012 2:05:51 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Ping!


2 posted on 01/28/2012 2:06:35 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative

The Super Bowl will be streamed (legally) this year.

You might check the NFL and NBC Sports websites for details.


3 posted on 01/28/2012 2:15:20 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: Paleo Conservative

You have to provide some information:

What is the channel of the station you are trying to receive?

How far away are you from the transmitter?

What kind of topology is around you? (Valley, hills, etc.)

How hign off the ground is your indoor antenna going t be placed?

Is the receiver a converter box or a late model digital TV?

Do you need the antenna for other channels, or just the one?

Why not an outdoor/attic antenna? Wife? Expense? Inconvenience?


4 posted on 01/28/2012 2:19:10 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney be the Paul Tsongas of 2012.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
I have used this older terk amplified model in the past. Works like a charm...

It's the TERK TV5 model. Whatever that is worth. Since dumping FiOS TV, I use netflix and this antenna to meet all of our TV needs. It's the RCA Model #: ANT751, and it's mounted in my attic.


5 posted on 01/28/2012 2:20:42 PM PST by SengirV
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To: Paleo Conservative

I got a Mohu Leaf on-line (www.gomohu.com) for a bedroom TV. Works great. You should also go to antennaweb.org and see how far and in what direction the broadcast tower is from your home so you can (a) ensure this would work for your location, and (b) how to best orient it toward the signal.


6 posted on 01/28/2012 2:27:14 PM PST by Be Free (Liberalism is a disease.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Get a DB4 antenna.


7 posted on 01/28/2012 2:34:15 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Paleo Conservative

1-Do you have a digital TV?
2-Do you have a converter box?

I have a digital TV, and just use rabbit, ears they seem to be stronger than the new digital antennas.

I have an old analog tv that I put a converter box on and bought digital antenna and that works good also.

Just keep moving your antenna around til you get the right combination. PS signal strengths change alot after sundown.


8 posted on 01/28/2012 2:34:15 PM PST by conservativesister
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To: Dr. Sivana
You have to provide some information:

What is the channel of the station you are trying to receive?

How far away are you from the transmitter?

What kind of topology is around you? (Valley, hills, etc.)

How hign off the ground is your indoor antenna going t be placed?

Is the receiver a converter box or a late model digital TV?

Do you need the antenna for other channels, or just the one?

Why not an outdoor/attic antenna? Wife? Expense? Inconvenience?




I'm trying to receive channel 6.

The transmitter is less than 20 miles away.

I'm in South Texas. There's hardly any terrain.

The TV is just 3.5 years old with a built in ATSC tuner and HDTV display.

I could put the antenna up to 12 feet high indoors.

Hopefully the dispute will be resolved and the station will be added back to the Time-Warner lineup.

I don't like walking around on the roof. My center of gravity is a bit higher than it was 15 years ago. Also I'm recovering from foot surgery that was done on December 30. I'm not supposed to walk without crutches, and I don't think it would be a good idea to try moving around on the roof with crutches.

9 posted on 01/28/2012 2:34:33 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative

I went to radio shack and bought a full sized roof antenna and put in the attic. Then I dropped a line to the basement and wired it into the cable system. Then Idropped cable. Life is much better and the picture is great .


10 posted on 01/28/2012 2:34:57 PM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Why not go to a club or a Sports Bar? It's a party, you know.

ML/NJ

11 posted on 01/28/2012 2:35:09 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: Paleo Conservative

Keep in mind that none of those small antennas will do a good job on VHF channels (as KRIS appears to be).

What you need is one one those big, old-fashioned antennas. Do you by any chance still have one left over from the old analog days in your attic or on your roof? If so, hook that up, and you should be all set.

Keep in mind that there is no such thing as a “digital” antenna. The antennas are tuned for a range of frequencies, but they work just as well with digital signals as with analog signals.

Hope this helps.


12 posted on 01/28/2012 2:36:41 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Paleo Conservative

A little aluminum foil and you'll be all set!

13 posted on 01/28/2012 2:39:04 PM PST by Larry Lucido (Six months ago I was all "Go away Newt." Now I'm "Eh, he's the best we got, so 'Go Newt.'")
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To: Paleo Conservative

Go here http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx

It will help you choose the best antenna for your location .. I have a win guard metro.. And it’s great...


14 posted on 01/28/2012 2:39:09 PM PST by tje
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To: Paleo Conservative

also see here

http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/Address.aspx


15 posted on 01/28/2012 2:40:36 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Paleo Conservative
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16 posted on 01/28/2012 2:43:03 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Paleo Conservative

You shouldn’t need an amplifier/antenna. We have a fairly new flat-screen set more than 20 miles away from the station which gets great pictures from an old chimney antenna.


17 posted on 01/28/2012 2:44:43 PM PST by expat2
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To: Paleo Conservative

Any amplified antenna still has to receive a minimal signal for it to amplify.

If you are too far from the station’s transmission antenna, or if there are obstacles blocking your line-of-sight path to that antenna, no indoor antenna is going to help you.

Rule of thumb for VHF signals is 26 miles transmitter-receiver, for an outdoor receiving antenna under ideal circumstances.

An indoor antenna will probably have a considerably lesser range than a roof mounted antenna because of it being at a lower elevation and because of attenuation (reduction of signal strength) caused by the structure around it.

See if you can determine where your local NBC affiliate has their transmission tower. Note: often it is at a different location from their studios for topographical reasons (towers are often sited on hills or tall buildingsto increase coverage area).


18 posted on 01/28/2012 2:45:15 PM PST by Yankee (ANNOY THE RNC AND THE MEDIA: NOMINATE NEWT GINGRICH!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Too bad you didn’t plan ahead. Monoprice.com has a couple of good ones dirt cheap.

Monoprice is the only place to buy that kind of stuff.


19 posted on 01/28/2012 2:48:45 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Madonna during halftime, a team of cheaters, why would anyone want to watch Super Bowel?!


20 posted on 01/28/2012 2:51:51 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Go to a sports bar.


21 posted on 01/28/2012 2:52:05 PM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Larry Lucido

Hey, what a waste of a perfect abortion instrument!


22 posted on 01/28/2012 2:53:53 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Larry Lucido

LMAO!! The coat hanger and duct tape, the most widely-used products for the most unintended purposes in history!


23 posted on 01/28/2012 2:54:52 PM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

1. Get a twin lead to coax balun. A couple of bucks at Radio Shack.

2. Connect a coax cable to your TV and run it to your nearest window. Connect the balun to the other end of the cable.

3. Get a 6 ft. or so length of twinlead and connect one end to the coax balun. Soldering is best but twist-on will get you by if you do a good job.

4. Split the twin lead with a pair of scissors and pull it out to two individual wires about a foot in length. Bend them out so they make a Y shape.

5. Hang the twinlead out the window and you will beat any indoor antenna every invented at 1/10 the price or better. You can diddle with the length of the split wires and the horizontal vs. vertical position to optimize reception.

6. Alternate plan: just hook the balun to the TV and run the twin lead to the window. You will need a short cable or an adapter for this scheme. Then follow 4 above. That will be almost as good.


24 posted on 01/28/2012 2:56:48 PM PST by InterceptPoint (TIN)
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To: Paleo Conservative

I think this site is a little more helpful than antenna.web
Just enter your zip code.
http://www.tvfool.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=90

Tells you more about the stations.


25 posted on 01/28/2012 2:59:02 PM PST by mrsmith (What Tea Party nominee have you found for your House seat?)
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To: SgtHooper; Revolting cat!

26 posted on 01/28/2012 3:01:02 PM PST by Larry Lucido (Six months ago I was all "Go away Newt." Now I'm "Eh, he's the best we got, so 'Go Newt.'")
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To: Paleo Conservative

From twenty miles with no obstructions, a plain old set of rabbit ears with bow tie should pull in the signal perfectly. Don’t pay extra for a digital antenna, the old fashioned kind works just fine.


27 posted on 01/28/2012 3:01:43 PM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Paleo Conservative

I made an excellent antenna. It is a 4 element bow tie made from aluminum clothes line wire. The mast is 1 1/4 pvc pipe. The Bow tie antennas use a reflector and there are several alternatives. I had a spare Anderson window screen mounted on the opposite side of the pvc pipe.

I use it in my van when camping. While camping near fort worth I received 56 channels. It is directional when transmitters are distant but I can lock on to signal 30 miles away.

There are several excellent videos showing how to build them and they can be fairly crude and work well. People mount them in the attic and looks are not a problem

Mine is elegant and looks great. I made another that was also made from the colthsline but to what is known as a fractal design. It also worked pretty good but I used aluminum clad foam insulation board for the reflector and it wouldn’t stand the rigors of travel

I would recommend checking out the sources on Bing and make one. The simplest material is ordinary clothes hangers (assuming you still have metal coat hangers) that work well. The technology is very low grade and you can make one in an hour or so from stuff at hand. You need to buy a piece of cavle that converts the wire leads to a coax cable but they are available everywhere for cheap.
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28 posted on 01/28/2012 3:01:48 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Paleo Conservative
I am 35 miles away from the broadcast antennas, and I use a simple bowtie antenna, which I hide behind the picture above my TV. I also use a basic amplifier.


Both should be available at your local Radio Shack or the like. You'll need to get a 300ohm to 75ohm adapter as well (that piece at the bottom of the cord for the bowtie, so you can hook it up to your tv.)

It is a low cost solution that works better than any commercial solution I've tried (short of an attic antenna.)

29 posted on 01/28/2012 3:07:20 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: InterceptPoint

I like your plan, though I’d be tempted to go from 75-ohm to 300 ohm right at the connector.

Also. a 4 inch wide strip of aluminum foil wrapped around the twin lead, after sliding around to find the best spot, may help the user hone in on channel 6.


30 posted on 01/28/2012 3:10:56 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney be the Paul Tsongas of 2012.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Can you put the antenna in your attic? As long as you don't have a metal roof or roof decking with a radiant barrier, the tv will work fine.

I have a DB2 antenna I made myself from 2x4's coat hangers and cookie cooler sheet that works pretty good inside the house.

Kind of like this one, but I used some chrome plated coat hangers for the elements and some stripped copper home wire to connect the matching transformer.

Then you just need to aim it correctly.

http://www.hdtvantennalabs.com/location/

31 posted on 01/28/2012 3:11:31 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Paleo Conservative

From what you described, ANY good quality indoor VHF antenna should do the job.

C. Crane recommends the Comet, but any old line brand (Winegard, Jerrold, Channel Master) should be fine. Terk seems to make a lot of cheap stuff.

I stringly second the idea of using good ol’ rabbit ears. The bigger the better. In the fancy rigs, the circles or loops are usually for UHF. That does nothing for you. Channel 6 is right in the middle of the VHF band, so you should be okay there. With rabbit ears, the higher the frequency (channel #), the smaller the length antenna.

If you have old plaster walls, brick, or concrete walls in the way, a longer line with rabbit ears and a waltz around the room to find a hot spot can work wonders.

Stay away from the signal amplifiers. They generally include things that inherently weaken the signal before it csn be amplified. Another poster pointed out that you can’t amplify what isn’t there. He’s right. Knobs and dials on the antenna also usually take more than they give. The fellow suggesting that you run a wire outside the window also has a good plan.

In the pre-digital days,


32 posted on 01/28/2012 3:18:54 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney be the Paul Tsongas of 2012.)
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To: Paleo Conservative; ADemocratNoMore; advertising guy; aft_lizard; AJMaXx; Alice in Wonderland; ...

Freeper help with antenna selection needed!


33 posted on 01/28/2012 3:21:40 PM PST by Las Vegas Dave (0bama must be defeated!)
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To: Las Vegas Dave
Dave I have had all the expensive commercial ones. With each there were several channels I could not get.

A friend recommended a home built one using wood, coat hangers & aluminum foil. I know sounds *and LOOKS* tacky but it works. EVERY channel possible is crisp and clear. No cable of course. Need to work fast for superbowl!!!!

LINK HERE FOR ONE (but there are various techniques/patterns)

34 posted on 01/28/2012 3:29:51 PM PST by DollyCali (Don't tell God how big your storm is... tell your storm how BIG your God is!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

I’m going to feed the internet stream from my son’s new whiz-bang gaming computer to the 55” Samsung his dad bought on Super Bowl day last year; then as now we have no cable.


35 posted on 01/28/2012 3:44:42 PM PST by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
A plain old fashioned VHF/UHF/FM Log Periodic antenna from Radio Shack will work fine. $42.99

You can put it on the roof or in the attic. If you are trying to get UHF the height of the antenna is more important.

36 posted on 01/28/2012 3:45:21 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Excellence

I guess I could try connecting the HDMI cable to my laptop.


37 posted on 01/28/2012 3:54:19 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Johnny B.

Thanks for the information about digital vs analog. I’ve had my digital descrambler(I have an 18 year old Sony Trinitron) wired to the old rabbit ears that came with the set and it seems to work well.


38 posted on 01/28/2012 3:57:14 PM PST by MachIV
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To: Dr. Sivana

Channel 6 is actually Digital 13
I think you’re generally right about the signal amplifiers. I removed mine after getting a better antenna.

Branding 6 News
CW South Texas
(on DT2)
Slogan The station with the most local news in South Texas.
Channels Digital: 13 (VHF)
Subchannels 6.1 NBC
6.2 The CW
Owner Cordillera Communications
(KVOA Communications, Inc.)


39 posted on 01/28/2012 4:08:07 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Paleo Conservative
KRIS-DT isn't really broadcasting on VHF channel 6 any longer. They may call themselves channel 6, but that's only because American tv stations got away from using their call letters for identification, and used their channel numbers a few decades back.

When the changeover to digital happened, the lower VHF channels were abandoned (sigh, that's where all the good DXing was happening) and stations moved to either UHF or upper VHF. TV Fool lists actual channels used for broadcast; KRIS is now broadcasting on channel 13.


40 posted on 01/28/2012 4:09:34 PM PST by Nepeta
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To: Paleo Conservative

Get one of those famous Australian CoTanger combined TV and car antennas.


41 posted on 01/28/2012 4:31:25 PM PST by spokeshave (Mitt will release his tax returns when 0bambi releases his Birth Certificate and grades)
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Did You Know?

The Current FReepathon Pays For The Current Quarters Expenses?

Now That You Do, Donate And Keep FR Running


42 posted on 01/28/2012 4:32:48 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Paleo Conservative
I use a plain set of Rembrandt rabbit ears (left) from 1959.


43 posted on 01/28/2012 4:35:39 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Holodeck Computer: End Obama Administration simulation program, NOW!!!!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

In 1967, Super Bowl I was blacked out in Los Angeles, so those determined to see the game were making makeshift “Super Bowl antennas,” often out of coat hangers. The newsletter of a local rock station offered instructions as to how to make these.


44 posted on 01/28/2012 4:39:26 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Paleo Conservative

ping to save


45 posted on 01/28/2012 4:49:36 PM PST by builder (I don't want a piece of someone else's pie)
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To: Nepeta
>> the lower VHF channels were abandoned (sigh, that's where all the good DXing was happening <<

Really, you shouldn't “sigh” — because with all of the US stations gone from channels 2 thru 6, it's now a common occurrence every June, July and December for US DXer’s to receive lo-band stations via sporadic E-skip from Mexico, Dominican Republic, Cuba, Central America and even Venezuela.

Moreover, when the sunspot numbers peak in a few years, the F2 layer may allow Brazil, Africa and even Australia to show up!

For more info on the glories of TV DX, see:

http://www.wtfda.org/

46 posted on 01/28/2012 5:21:06 PM PST by Hawthorn
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To: DollyCali

I might give that a shot. The main issue we have is cars driving by and a couple of stations acting up.


47 posted on 01/28/2012 6:19:43 PM PST by Springman (Rest In Peace YaYa123 and Bahbah.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

For a simple one-shot deal like you are trying, any antenna mounted in a window facing the tower should work. Putting any indoor antenna near a window will dramatically improve reception. Outside the window is even better.

For a permanent alternative or supplement to cable or satellite, your best option is a roof mounted antenna.

In either case, unless you have a very long cable run, an amplifier should not be needed for a station that close to your house..


48 posted on 01/28/2012 6:52:14 PM PST by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: Las Vegas Dave
I use THIS ONE. Gets good reception.
49 posted on 01/28/2012 7:58:00 PM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Paleo Conservative

I use a Terk TV4 in Houston whenever my Dish goes out.


50 posted on 01/28/2012 7:59:49 PM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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