WAR: If They Succeed in Forcing a Romney Nomination On Us, The GOP Establishment Must Be Destroyed

Reaganite Republican ^ | January 30, 2012 | Reaganite Republican

[Reaganite Republican]

Hey RNC, get this through your big fat skulls:

I will never, ever vote for Mitt Romney... never

Baloo

A month ago -when the Republican primary contest began to get ugly- it already seemed intra-party chasms that developed over this cycle would be taking some time to heal. We all still assumed that 'anybody but Obama' would get us together in the end, though...yet no longer:  there's simply no dealing with the self-serving syndicate that's re-written history and gang-raped Newt Gingrich just to stick us with some fake conservative scumbag. The TEA Party movement is on the verge of extinction if we fail to go on the offensive- and I mean now.

With Romney riding a Florida surge brought about by a widespread RNC/MSM/Drudge/Coulter conspiracy against Newt, the damage is done... Mr Magic Underpants is suddenly pulling-away: apparently the ruinous (to the GOP) assault on Gingrich has succeeded in swaying just enough pudding-heads down there to hand him victory tomorrow, and thus sending fake conservative Romney along towards his long-planned coronation.

But the unprincipled behavior, mediocre political talent, and almost total lack of message (other than the ceaseless drone of negative attack ads) has me convinced that Mittens isn't going to beat Obama in November- especially when you consider a boiling-mad TEA Party and the independent campaigns (Paul, Trump) a Romney nomination all but assures. 

The same ones trashing Gingrich are also shielding the voters from Willard's many dubious dealings, but who would expect the MSM/Left to be quite so helpful come the fall.  And don't talk about money, either... Obama's got more... much more! Since Romney has no leg to stand on but well-financed politics of destruction (and he's not all that different from the incumbent) as GOP nominee he would enjoy no notable advantages in November.

If we could take anything positive from such a catastrophe, perhaps it would be the future ability to bring conservatives to power in this country to deal with whatever ashes remain in 2016. 

The RNC has always tried to stick us with party suck-ups... and it's always cost us.  But after McLame got whupped in 2008, many on the Right thought there may be a sliver lining this time, in that the TEA Party and electorate in general would now line-up behind a true Reaganite conservative to set things right... "To get a Reagan, it takes a Carter' and such.

Yet that was not to be: if things continue the way they're going, we're about to be stuck with yet another squish-  one that also happens to also be a utterly ruthless piece of crap: The Wall Street Journal called the coordinated attacks on Gingrich 'unprecedented', while the 'Stalin-esque' re-writing of history employed in neutralizing his Reaganite credentials has the Gipper spinning in his grave @ 10,000rpm.

The race is not over after Florida, Newt still leads nationally, and he pledges to fight on to the (brokered?) convention.  The former House Speaker feels the Right is slowly consolidating and has a plan to trounce Romney on Super Tuesday, including a big win in his home state of Georgia that would instantly put Newt out front in the delegate count (last time I checked he was polling 65%).

But if they do manage to make Romney the Republican nominee against the majority of the party's wishes -which most punters still see to be the most likely outcome- we must face some grim realities:

Romney/RNC/MSM have systematically destroyed each and every conservative candidate we've told them we'd prefer... same as they did to Sarah Palin. Since Romney has spent millions of dollars campaigning for five years and still can't get much more than a third of the vote, he apparently sees no other route to the White House other eliminating actual conservatives from the race. The shameful character assassination employed in doing this had no limits: Bachmann, Cain, Gingrich... did these patriots deserve any of this?  How did we allow it?

A vote for Romney is a vote for ObamaCare-ad-infinitum. Republicans are now being forced into pulling the lever for this- when most of us consider repeal of ObamaCare as a litmus test for presidential candidates!  How did the party we saved in 2010 respond? GOP to TEA Party: 'You'll get nothing... and like it." They think you have nowhere else to go- but they are wrong.

This is the type of manipulation/denial of basic democratic rights that stokes the flames of revolution: I advocate a peaceful revolution to destroy the Republican Party establishment, if not the party in it's entirety (if it cannot be conquered). This can be brought about by denying Romney votes (and the White House) while boycotting all the politicians and pundits that enabled it. 

CUT THEM OFF, people.

As floated by Bill Jacobson at Legal Insurrection, the strategy could take the form of a  new, aggressive TEA Party movement to focus on taking back the Senate while building a larger majority in The House to either keep a lid on Romney OR constrain, control, and investigate Obama for the next four years. Voters prefer split government anyway... Obama -if victorious- would not have any coattails this time, much of that due to the fact that over half the country doesn't really trust him.

I would add that I -for the first time ever- am open to a third party candidate (Palin?) if they're not willing to compete with Newt on the issues.

Look, a Romney nomination all but ensures Ron Paul -and maybe Trump- will be there anyway. Don't let anybody tell you you have to vote for Romney... YOU DO NOT: the problem is Mittens as nominee (and the rigged process that is getting him there), not our lack of willingness to lay back and learn to enjoy it!

Since even the monumential failure of Obama brought us just another morally warped, big-government DIABLO -when a clear majority of Republicans have been begging for a conservative- perhaps it will take eight years then... so be it.  Mitt Romney is precious little improvement imho, and the TEA Party would be best served by opposing Mittens as we do Obama... he'll hurt the right more than help it, and the damage has already begun.

Any Reaganite can tell you appeasement of a ruthless and determined enemy will never bring you peace nor motivate them to respect your ideals: After this one, I AM THROUGH appeasing a DC establishment that wouldn't spit on the TEA Party if it's hair was on fire. We told them multiple times we'd like to elect someone else... and they've told us to lump it.

The GOP old-guard is a cabal not unlike the Chicago Machine: (working primarily to protect their own self-interest)  They will be out for revenge upon all who opposed them... we might as well cut them off at the knees while we still can.

Crazy talk from a disheartened Newt supporter? Hardly- consider that up-and-coming conservative hero Allen West is already be re-districted out of a seat by the Florida GOP. The man leading this blatant act of retribution? Romney's Florida campaign spokesman!

Look what they did to Palin....  look what they did to Cain.

Simply put: HIT THEM HARD pre-emptively with the only weapons we have (yet all we need): If Romney wins the nomination, I plan to: quit the Republican Party... ignore Romney... focus on congressional races... and boycott RNC donations, as well as the election of Romney allies, and purchases, links, or any other form of support for Drudge, Ann Coulter, Jennifer Rubin, Charles Krauthammer, George Will, David Limbaugh, et. al (comprehensive black list pending). We need to primary people like Juan McTaco, too. The New Media Right will promptly step-up to fill any journalistic gap left by the forced retirement of these discredited RNC hacks.

Note: if Romney is nominated, I will also immediately change the name of this blog (my political shield-and-sword from the day Obama was elected) to 'Reaganite Independent'... count on it.

You're never going to be president, Mitt... screw you

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[SoConPubbie]

Amen!

If Mitt is the Nominee, it starts right then.

We must either take our party back, and failing that, coalesce around a new conservative party to replace the GOP.

Because if Mitt is the nominee, the GOP is dead.

[ZX12R]

Who do you mean by “they”? Primary voters? If “they” are successful in getting Romney as the nominee?

That would be the establishment players and politicians in the GOP. You know, the ones that are not conservatives, i.e. the rinos and their backers. The ones who want to just continue getting along and work with the democrats, and allow the country to slowly be destroyed.

What method would you prefer to be utilized to pick the GOP nominee if not by votes in primaries?

It's not the method of voting, it's the tactics utilized to ensure their guy (Romney) gets the votes. The coordinated collective activity to destroy any other candidate except their man. It's the fact that they are lying and attacking one of their own party, rather than just attacking Obama and his agenda, and then letting the voters decide who's the best one to nominate

[Linda Frances]

Sorry, I wanted to post this before getting the kids off to school. I just wanted the fact that people in Iowa were trying to set things in motion for a romney win by cheating. I understand romney had workers in every precinct.

1. They said romney had 22 votes when he had only two & DID NOT CORRECT it until romney won NH. Sports fans know how important momentum is. I have 3 hockey players. Thank God for the man who went to the media, when no one else would listen.

2. Now we have 8 precincts missing all there votes? We aren't stupid, we can see when cheating is going on.

[Reaganite Republican]

With Mitt, either way it’s dead.

As president he’ll ruin what remains of the GOP brand, but as A LOSER to Obama even worse.... this guy is bad news

But Newt’s got a viable long term strategy,
the guy’s no quitter and still has a real shot at it

Then we won’t have to resort to all this unpleasantness

[Dead Corpse]

We could always kick the Troofer’s out of the LP and take that over... Are they still holding most of their National meetings at Denny’s?

[SoConPubbie]

I’m a Santorum supporter, but no one is forcing Romney on us. It’s a nominating process, we get a chance to vote. For every coulter pushing for Mitt, there is a Levin or Rush pushing for Newt. I understand being 100% for your guy during the primary process but if, if Mitt is the nominee and you say there’s no difference between Romney and Obama you’re either not paying attention or are stubborn and butthurt.

Mitt Romney is a Progressive Liberal.

Where it counts, where the rubber meets the road, he governerned from the left, his work experience, the proof of what he is, is a track record of Left-wing positions and actions.

The most memorable of actions:

1. Supported Gay Marriage
2. Supported Abortion
3. Anti-2nd Amendment
4. Implemented the first Socialized Medicine in the history of the United States.


Now, if you are ignorant of these facts I, and I'm sure other Freepers can provide the evidence for the umpteenth time.

However, I doubt that you are ignorant of these facts, but just another closet support of Mitt maybe?

[Reaganite Republican]

I wouldn’t add a thing to this, ZX

Amen

[Sal]

If a third party (call it the Pro-America Party) organized itself properly, it could appeal to and draw from both of the corrupt older but not immortal parties.

Reagan got a landslide with “Reagan Democrats”. There are more old fashioned Democrats who are disillusioned with Obama’s anti-Americanism, but cannot force themselves to break with family tradition and vote Republican.

If the third party stressed that we’re trying to save America AND AMERICANS from the corruption and resulting bad policies of both parties, we just might squeak out a victory.

Of course we would still have to elect TEA type people to Senate and House which means almost all Republicans. Those winners would be invited to join the Pro-America party...

I HOPE TO GOD THAT WE DON’T NEED TO GO THIS ROUTE, but if we do, I hope to God we win.

[manc]

same here The RNC uses the base like Dems use blacks they think we're too stupid to elect our candidate so they tell us that Romney is the best man, he can beat obama, The RNC, establishment etc string us along, ignore all the issues we care about because they too take money off groups like the homosexual groups, they don't want to rock the boat because they want their power, money, cocktail parties etc. I'm done with them. They're sitting there right now saying we're just a fringe, we have n power and come election time we'll put someone on the ticket and they'll shut up because they don't like obmaa. What they forget is that they have already tried that in 2008 and we've had it. Put who ever on the ticket , I don;t care I'm not voting for Romney nor will my family. We care about the issues something the establishment has tried to ignore and took off the table. We want a change in DC, we don't want big Govt to give you lot more power. We don't want all this social engineering. We don't want the usual crap of the establishment going along and telling us we're too damn stupid to vote for the nomination and once we try to have the will of the people like in SC the establishment came out like mad attacking Well they can piss off now, ROMNEY WILL NEVER GET MY VOTE OR MONEY OR SUPPORT

[WayneS]

Yes. Yes, it is.

Especially for one as fumble-fingered at the keyboard as I...

; - )

[aruanan]

The GOP needs major reform or we need a third party. Either way it's not happening if we conservatives act like good soldiers and vote Romney. Something has to change.

Your logic is missing several steps between the first and second sentence. There is no necessary connection between the two. There is, however, a necessary connection between letting Obama get reelected and things continuing to get worse in the same way they have been for the last three years. Those who vote for anyone other than the main opposition to Obama will be, if Obama is reelected, helping Obama's cause.

[Hardraade]

War is inevitable. Global war.

Slightly offtopic:

Norway’s establishment is heavily pro-Romney (and pro-Obama).

Today, large police forces were random *searching* people using Oslo’s main street - looking for knives and whatever else might not be approved.

[manc]

EXACTLY

Romney has governed from the left, ran to the left of Kennedy, has done nothing from a republican let alone conservative view point.

There is one you missed which is huge, he has appointed nearly judges who are liberals.

That in itself is a big wake up call and when you see the homosexual groups saying they don’;t care if Romney wins then we know now there is not one difference between obama and Romney

I will never vote for Romney no matter who they pout on the VP ticket to shut us up like they did in 2008

[manc]

voting for Romney is helping obama’s agenda

Name 5 issues where Romney is different on the issue from obama, just 5.

From appointing liberal judges, to the homosexual agenda, to now supporting a VAT to Romney care

yea I can see it now in a debate, You implemented obamacare, er yes we got the blue print from Romney care.

Hell even the Romney camp say they will not overturn it now.

There is no difference and I expect that the establishment mules and talking heads soon will see how they have pissed off the base and now will be on here saying we should vote for Romney because obama will make the country worse

Well message to the establishment.

I WILL NOT VOTE FOR ROMNEY EVER NOR WILL MY FAMILY, YOU IGNORED US , YOU ATTACKED THE CANDIDATES FOR THE NORTH EAST ESTABLISHMENT RINO SO NOW YOU CAN PISS OFF WE’LL IGNORE YOU

Don’t bother trying to come on here and say we can’;t stay at home, you bet we can and you pissed on us first, remember that

Manc approves of this message and FOX can piss off to with their endless biased attacks

[sarge83]

Yes you will be blamed if Romney loses in the general election. Liberals, never accept responsibility for anything why should Republican liberals be any different.

That being said if Romney actually wins despite a deep alienation of the party base we will be told as always, to STFU and go to the back of the bus so you won’t be seen by our liberal friends across the aisle.

I really don’t see anyway short of a crashing depression that Romney wins a general election. The liberal Vichy establishments scorched earth campaign will cause a chunk of conservatives to stay home or vote third party and they can’t afford those loses.

[CASchack]

My only obligation is to cast a vote for the person whom I think will best lead this country as President. I have done so, and voted for Newt in the primary. The Republican establishment and the Romney campaign have attempted to ‘level’ the playing field through any means necessary to ensure that Mitt is the nominee. Romney is a completely unacceptable choice for me and, as a result, I will not support him in the general election.

If the Republicans lose in November, it is because they have chosen to support, nominate, and promote a flawed candidate who already had implemented a pro-abortion health insurance mandate in the state in which he was governor and has no credibility in pledging to abolish the same plan at the federal level.

So, as Speaker Gingrich had said: spare me the pious baloney and place the blame squarely upon those who would attempt to foist upon us a Faustian choice.

[Round 9]

No, I’m not a closet Mitt supporter. I just have an opinion that differs from those who’ll hold out if its Romney. In fact, right now he’s my 4th choice and earlier was my 6th choice but he’s far more preferable than the O choice.

If anyone has gotten screwed by the R’s its Santorum who is far more conservative than either of the frontrunners. I’m aware of Mitt’s history but I’m also aware that he is a politician who can be bent to our conservative will.

The worst thing about mitt is he is wishy-washy and governs in a manner he believes is consistent with his constituents. The best thing about Mitt is he’s wishy-washy and America is far more conservative than Massachusettes. He’ll be more conservative in the Oval Office than in Mass. because of that.

[jaydee770]

For some reason, I don’t think the RNC *OR* the DNC have any problems with your sentiment. I would not be surprised if the sentiments you expressed leave a smile on the faces of the power-brokers in *both* orgs.

I hear what you are saying and I can’t say I completely disagree, but to be clear, I’m voting for anyone but Romney in the primary and anyone but Obama in the general (even if the anti-Obama vote is Romney).

I stopped donating to the RNC prior to the 2010 elections and started directly supporting the candidates I liked. I write nasty-notes on every spam-mail the RNC sends, stuff as much paper as I can into the envelope and send it back on their dime. But despite all that, I doubt we have any leverage against the RNC.

The True Problem (as *I* see it) is that there are far, Far, *FAR* too many squishy *VOTERS* lined-up and ready to support the RNC and their RINO candidates. We on the constitutional-conservative side of the party are clearly still outnumbered (in votes and $$) or else we would not be having this conversation about Romney.

I just can’t see a darn thing changing until we grow, sway and convert more RNC voters to the constitutional, federalist, conservative point of view. We can certainly try a third party and/or reforming the RNC, but both will absolutely wither and fail unless we can bring more voters “into the fold” (so to speak).

It’s much easier said than done and I have no idea how to do it. It just seems to me to be job #1 if we are to get this country back on the right track. It will likely take multiple generations to overcome the entitlement minded voters (on the left and on the right) who vote with their hand held out. The much scarier question is if the country can survive long enough to turn the tide.

[LuvFreeRepublic]

This is an excellent read about the establishment making the call and taking our voice away. Don't know if it has been posted or if I am violating a ‘blog’ rule, just want to get it seen. I have been tweeting it out, trying to get people to tell the establishment to shut the heck up by voting for Newt. Feel free to post on own thread and by all means, tweet/email it out with appropriate comment.

Title: Mr. Smith Goes to Washington

http://nelson.belpointe.com/files/Mr-Smith-Goes-to-Washington.html

Keep up the good fight patriots.

[Reaganite Republican]

I am re adjusting my thinking, as I think Romney would lose to Obama anyway

Focus on HUGE majorities on Capitol Hill better place to focus our energies than in pumping Romney

He doesn’t deserve my support