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Judge Malihi Rules Against Plaintiffs: Says Obama Born In Hawaii Therefore Natural Born Citizen ^ | 2/3/2012 | Kevin Powell

Posted on 02/03/2012 2:19:38 PM PST by GregNH

We just spoke with plaintiff Kevin Powell and he reports Judge Malihi has ruled against the Plaintiffs and stated in his order that Obama was born in Hawaii and therefore Obama is a natural born Citizen.

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TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; ga; georgia; malihi; naturalborncitizen; obama
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To: GregNH

Not unexpected. However, there has now been a hearing on the merits of the NBC argument. Will the plaintiffs appeal?

61 posted on 02/03/2012 2:45:27 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Mortrey

Exactly. I’m embarrassed for the judge.

Can anyone just ignore a subpoena in a Georgia administrative court? Or are there two sets of rules. One for dictators and one for the rest of us peons.

Can you imagine anyone else ignoring the hearing then submitting website images and then getting a ruling in their favor?

Can Candidate Joe/Jane Smith do this or only exotic halfricans?

62 posted on 02/03/2012 2:45:33 PM PST by Smokeyblue (Obama's got NBC problems and birth certificate problems - a bad case of Cluster F**ked.)
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To: GregNH

Stunning tragedy for the framers....and for us. Obama aside. It leaves our country vulerable to the very kind of leadership our forefathers attempted to protect us from. Foreign interests.

Obama was relatively young when he took office. His fathers (natural and step) from foreign countries could have attempted to take over our government through their son. Their son’s allegiance would have been to them, not to America. It has nothing to do with where a person is born.

63 posted on 02/03/2012 2:47:06 PM PST by FryingPan101 (My taglines always lose.)
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To: philman_36

Thanks...I think :(

64 posted on 02/03/2012 2:47:55 PM PST by NYTexan
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To: hoosiermama

Uh suprise at all.

65 posted on 02/03/2012 2:48:26 PM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: Ditter

How on eartch can he rule in favor of a defaulting party who did not appear or even put up a defense or present counter evidence?

This smells awful.

66 posted on 02/03/2012 2:49:01 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I think they have a good chance at appeal. I think “we” need to leave Orly out of it. Although the judge ruled on the NBC issue and she wasn’t part of that.

67 posted on 02/03/2012 2:49:17 PM PST by GregNH (I will continue to do whatever it takes, my grandchildren are depending on me....)
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To: philman_36

Just commenting on your link. Thanks for providing same.
Judge says he denies all arguments but could not issue a summary judgement because Plaintiffs rejected it. They shot off their nose to spite their face.

Obviously this Judge was looking for reason to deny. Per the record and/or chambers, did the Judge wish tp proceed anyway for an additional excuse?

68 posted on 02/03/2012 2:49:49 PM PST by DrDude (Governor of the 57th State)
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To: Mortrey

Well, I guess I was wrong by a week.

69 posted on 02/03/2012 2:49:51 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Smokeyblue

The plaintiffs stipulated up front that Obama was born in Hawaii. The Court ruled based on that stipulation.

70 posted on 02/03/2012 2:50:34 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: dinodino
"Does that mean Rubio and Jindal have nothing to worry about now?"

Jindal born in Baton Rouge

Rubio was born in Miami.

But, don't get excited. The rules will change for them.

71 posted on 02/03/2012 2:51:41 PM PST by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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72 posted on 02/03/2012 2:52:38 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Look. I know you are an Obot. I’m sure you’re enjoying your victory.

Don’t bother posting to me.

73 posted on 02/03/2012 2:52:42 PM PST by Smokeyblue (Obama's got NBC problems and birth certificate problems - a bad case of Cluster F**ked.)
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To: GregNH
From the AJC

Judge: Obama eligible to be Georgia candidate

A state administrative law judge on Friday flatly rejected challenges seeking to keep President Barack Obama from being a candidate in next month's Georgia primary.

In a 10-page order, Judge Michael Malihi dismissed one challenge that contended Obama has maintained a Hawaiian birth certificate that is a computer-generated forgery, has a fraudulent Social Security number and invalid U.S. identification papers. He also turned back another that claimed the president is not a natural born citizen.

Last month, Malihi heard testimony and took evidence in both challenges. At that hearing, a lawyer for Obama refused to attend, boycotting the proceeding.

With regard to the challenge that Obama does not have legitimate birth and identification documents, Malihi said he found the testimony presented by lawyers of the so-called "birther" movement and their evidence "to be of little, if any, probative value and thus wholly insufficient to support plaintiffs' allegations."

A number of the witnesses who testified about the alleged fraud were never qualified as experts in birth records, forged documents and document manipulation, Malihi wrote. "None of the testifying witnesses provided persuasive testimony," he wrote.

The other claim contended that Obama was ineligible to run in Georgia's primary because his is not a natural born U.S. citizen because his father was never a U.S. citizen. But Malihi said he agreed with a 2009 ruling by the Indiana Court of Appeals decision that struck down a similar challenge.

Obama "became a citizen at birth and is a natural born citizen," Malihi wrote. Accordingly, Obama is eligible as a candidate for the upcoming presidential primary in March, the judge said.


74 posted on 02/03/2012 2:52:55 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This mean Liberals and/or Libertarians (Same Thing) NO LIBS.))
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To: Wurlitzer

The physical location of birth is half of it, not irrelevant.

75 posted on 02/03/2012 2:53:07 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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Is it being set up for the SCOTUS. Lower judges don’t like to make decisions on major issues.

76 posted on 02/03/2012 2:53:33 PM PST by hoosiermama (Stand with God: Newt, and Sarah will be right next to you.)
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To: MMaschin
I’m to the point where I’m ready to take up arms!

Then do it.

77 posted on 02/03/2012 2:53:34 PM PST by willamedwardwallace
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To: RitchieAprile
Right. I don't care where the Kenyan was born. Get him out of office 2012.
78 posted on 02/03/2012 2:53:38 PM PST by Bronzy (Send a NEWTron to Obama!)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Because he is scared?

79 posted on 02/03/2012 2:54:00 PM PST by Ditter
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He had to totally ignore a lot of evidence.

I read the decision. It reads to me as if the plaintiff had people offering expert testimony who did not meet the legal definition of "experts", so their testimony that the documents were forged/faked was given no weight. That is not unusual.

When you get down to the core NBC issue, the court faced it squarely. It noted that the phrase "natural-born citizen" was not defined in the Constitution, so it looked to normal legal principles of the time to determine how it was likely understood.

So the Court had to decide what would have been the most commonly understood meaning of that phrase at that time. It noted that English Common law was the default rule in the colonies, so it credited the English common law rule of "jus solis" (place of birth), over the continental, De Vattel rule of "jus sanguinas" (citizenship of parents). In essence, the determination that our legal tradition was founded in the English common law, not Contintental law, compelled the conclusion that if you're born in the U.S., you're an NBC.

Historically, that's almost impossible to argue. For example, the citizenship of the colonists themselves was determined by English common law. You were a subject of the King if you were born in a British colony. To assume they would have discarded the rule with which they were all familiar, and which applied to all the colonists themselves, in favor of another definition that had never applied in the colonies, without making that unusual choice explicit in the text of the Constitution, doesn't make much sense.

That's what it really all boils down to. English common law was the basis of our legal system, and continental law was not. You can disagree with that, and think it is a stupid thing to do, but you can't credibly argue that's not a fair interpretation of our legal history.

80 posted on 02/03/2012 2:54:05 PM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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