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Vikings were successful at invading, alright, but did they also bring.. wisdom?
http://www.beyondweird.com/high-one.html ^ | 02/09/2012 | WesternCulture

Posted on 02/08/2012 9:13:50 PM PST by WesternCulture

Our offspring and culture is the most successful feature of the History of Mankind.

Ancient Rome and Greece have nothing on Scandinavia of today, nor what we did some centuries after Rome came down.

No, I'm not a Racist - and I furthermore am more than a true friend of Italy and Greece.

But I do not believe there's a point in denying the fact that Viking Culture has played a major role in shaping the World of today.

Have a look at it.

Britain, North America, Scandinavia, Germany, etc. in one way or another, all were formed by the ambitions of the Vikings.

I'm not saying we did a good work by raiding other lands.

You don't foster a weaker culture through raping it.

Viking Civilization is not about bringing weaker neighbors into submission.

Viking Culture is about spreading the Viking way of life; one of independence, hard work and fearlessness.

We have come a long way. But howcome?

Being tall, blue eyed, well built and chewing on raw fish, bear and moose meat don't explain it all. We also carry wisdom (see link below).


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1 posted on 02/08/2012 9:13:54 PM PST by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

Viking wisdom:

http://www.beyondweird.com/high-one.html


2 posted on 02/08/2012 9:16:44 PM PST by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture
They bring at least 100 yards of rushing a game.
3 posted on 02/08/2012 9:17:11 PM PST by NorthStarStateConservative (Don't let the GOP-E hijack Congress too. Pound the pavement for your local conservative rep today!)
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To: WesternCulture

Not when they let Tony Dungy go.


4 posted on 02/08/2012 9:18:01 PM PST by daler
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To: NorthStarStateConservative

The Mn Vikings are a thow back to the bad old plundering days. The New Vikings want to steal $1.1 billion from the taxpayers in the state.

Their averice is 10,000X as extreme as any raider of the English countryside.


5 posted on 02/08/2012 9:28:33 PM PST by DManA
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks WesternCulture.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


7 posted on 02/08/2012 9:33:57 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: DManA

“Their averice is 10,000X as extreme as any raider of the English countryside.”

- That’s pretty impressive, but doesn’t exactly compare to boastin’ players like these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6tBr6PMkBY

(Besides, we have stealth constructions you and the Russians can’t detect as well)


8 posted on 02/08/2012 9:41:09 PM PST by WesternCulture
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To: SunkenCiv

Funny thing so many posts were had to be deleted.

It wasn’t my decision.

Listen, I’m not wishing to insult any other nation.

All I am saying, in a polite manner, is that Viking Culture has shaped very much of Western ambition.

This is something which I, being someone coming from the Nordic Countries and having some education on the subject, as well as being a rather experienced traveller, personally thinks.

Agree with me, or I’ll raid your home before you wake up next day.


9 posted on 02/08/2012 9:53:27 PM PST by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture
...NAILED IT !!!
10 posted on 02/08/2012 10:06:19 PM PST by NordP (Common Sense ConservaTEAves - Love of Country, Less Govt, Stop Spending, No Govt Run Health Care!!!)
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To: WesternCulture

I will get you back, Western.


11 posted on 02/08/2012 10:06:34 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: WesternCulture
I suppose someday somebody in a future generation will be talking about all the contributions made by Mexican Drug Cartels to North American culture. We will all be a little more naturally tan skinned then also. As interesting as the Vikings were they were pagan killers and thieves. I know they make up much the ancestry of the population in some areas in Britain and did as much trading as stealing. They might of raised European expectations of business opportunities in the world if you were bold enough to take chances, but besides that I am not seeing it.
12 posted on 02/08/2012 10:09:21 PM PST by dog breath
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To: daler

“Dungy”?

Funny in one way, but;

Here in my town, our leading soccer team has a record looking like this:

- Hamburger Sports Verein defeated

- Manchester United defeated

- FC Barcelona defeated

- AC Milan defeated

All of these encounters took place in major tournaments.

In the last third cases we were defeated in later rounds, but considering the fact we are a pretty small town by European measurements, we did rather well.

If you have the time to, tell me about your favourite team (of any sport).


13 posted on 02/08/2012 10:29:10 PM PST by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

More than likely brought VD.


14 posted on 02/08/2012 10:57:01 PM PST by fish hawk (Isa. 42:12 Let them give glory unto the Lord and declare his praise in the islands. (Maui))
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To: WesternCulture
They brought us Spam...


15 posted on 02/08/2012 11:53:31 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: WesternCulture

Except for the Huns, pretty much all the conquering migrations in Europe can be traced back to Southern Sweden. Scandinavia and the Baltic Sea acted as a culture gun, pumping out another invading hoard every time the climate shifted North and South. The Goths were just early Vikings. Very likely the same process was occurring regularly for the last 10000 years. I read once that the Egyptians didn’t get along so well with those damned blue-eyed Libyans.


16 posted on 02/09/2012 12:16:02 AM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: WesternCulture

1.
The man who stands at a strange threshold,
Should be cautious before he cross it,
Glance this way and that:
Who knows beforehand what foes may sit
Awaiting him in the hall?
2.
Greetings to the host,
The guest has arrived,
In which seat shall he sit?
Rash is he who at unknown doors
Relies on his good luck.

3.
Fire is needed by the newcomer
Whose knees are frozen numb;
Meat and clean linen a man needs
Who has fared across the fells.

4.
Water, too, that he may wash before eating,
Handcloth’s and a hearty welcome,
Courteous words, then courteous silence
That he may tell his tale.

5.
Who travels widely needs his wits about him,
The stupid should stay at home:
The ignorant man is often laughed at
When he sits at meat with the sage.

6.
Of his knowledge a man should never boast,
Rather be sparing of speech
When to his house a wiser comes:
Seldom do those who are silent
Make mistakes; mother wit
Is ever a faithful friend.

7.
A guest should be courteous
When he comes to the table
And sit in wary silence,
His ears attentive, his eyes alert:
So he protects himself.

8.
Fortunate is he who is favoured in his lifetime
With praise and words of wisdom:
Evil counsel is often given
By those of evil heart.

9.
Blessed is he who in his own lifetime
Is awarded praise and wit,
For ill counsel is often given
By mortal men to each other.

10.
Better gear than good sense
A traveller cannot carry,
Better than riches for a wretched man,
Far from his own home.

11.
Better gear than good sense
A traveller cannot carry,
A more tedious burden than too much drink
A traveller cannot carry.

12.
Less good than belief would have it
Is mead for the sons of men:
A man knows less the more he drinks,
Becomes a befuddled fool.

13.
I-forget is the name men give the heron
Who hovers over the fast:
Fettered I was in his feathers that night,
When a guest in Gunnlod’s court.

14.
Drunk I got, dead drunk,
When Fjalar the wise was with me:
Best is the banquet one looks back on after,
And remembers all that happened.

15.
Silence becomes the Son of a prince,
To be silent but brave in battle:
It befits a man to be merry and glad
Until the day of his death.

16.
The coward believes he will live forever
If he holds back in the battle,
But in old age he shall have no peace
Though spears have spared his limbs.

17.
When he meets friends, the fool gapes,
Is shy and sheepish at first,
Then he sips his mead and immediately
All know what an oaf he is.

18.
He who has seen and suffered much,
And knows the ways of the world,
Who has travelled, can tell what spirit
Governs the men he meets.

19.
Drink your mead, but in moderation,
Talk sense or be silent:
No man is called discourteous who goes
To bed at an early hour.

20.
A gluttonous man who guzzles away
Brings sorrow on himself:
At the table of the wise he is taunted often,
Mocked for his bloated belly.

21.
The herd knows its homing time,
And leaves the grazing ground:
But the glutton never knows how much
His belly is able to hold.

22.
An ill tempered, unhappy man
Ridicules all he hears,
Makes fun of others, refusing always
To see the faults in himself.

23.
Foolish is he who frets at night,
And lies awake to worry’
A weary man when morning comes,
He finds all as bad as before.

24.
The fool thinks that those who laugh
At him are all his friends,
Unaware when he sits with wiser men
How ill they speak of him.

25.
The fool thinks that those who laugh
At him are all his friends:
When he comes to the Thing and calls for support,
Few spokesmen he finds.

26.
The fool who fancies he is full of wisdom
While he sits by his hearth at home.
Quickly finds when questioned by others.
That he knows nothing at all.

27.
The ignorant booby had best be silent
When he moves among other men,
No one will know what a nit-wit he is
Until he begins to talk;
No one knows less what a nit-wit he is
Than the man who talks too much.

28.
To ask well, to answer rightly,
Are the marks of a wise man:
Men must speak of men’s deeds,
What happens may not be hidden.

29.
Wise is he not who is never silent,
Mouthing meaningless words:
A glib tongue that goes on chattering
Sings to its own harm.

30.
A man among friends should not mock another:
Many believe the man
Who is not questioned to know much
And so he escapes their scorn.

31.
The wise guest has his way of dealing
With those who taunt him at table:
He smiles through the meal,
Not seeming to hear
The twaddle talked by his foes.

32.
The fastest friends may fall out
When they sit at the banquet-board:
It is, and shall be, a shameful thing
When guest quarrels with guest.

33.
An early meal a man should take
Before he visits friends,
Lest, when he gets there, he go hungry,
Afraid to ask for food.

34.
To a false friend the footpath winds
Though his house be on the highway.
To a sure friend there is a short cut,
Though he live a long way off.

35.
The tactful guest will take his leave
Early, not linger long:
He starts to stink who outstays his welcome
In a hall that is not his own.

36.
A small hut of one’s own is better,
A man is his master at home:
A couple of goats and a corded roof
Still are better than begging.

37.
A small hut of one’s own is better,
A man is his master at home:
His heart bleeds in the beggar who must
Ask at each meal for meat.

38.
A wayfarer should not walk unarmed,
But have his weapons to hand:
He knows not when he may need a spear,
Or what menace meet on the road.

39.
No man is so generous he will jib at accepting
A gift in return for a gift,
No man so rich that it really gives him
Pain to be repaid.

40.
Once he has won wealth enough,
A man should not crave for more:
What he saves for friends, foes may take;
Hopes are often liars.

41.
With presents friends should please each other,
With a shield or a costly coat:
Mutual giving makes for friendship,
So long as life goes well.

42.
A man should be loyal through life to friends,
To them and to friends of theirs,
But never shall a man make offer
Of friendship to his foes.

43.
A man should be loyal through life to friends,
And return gift for gift,
Laugh when they laugh, but with lies repay
A false foe who lies.

44.
If you find a friend you fully trust
And wish for his good-will,
exchange thoughts, exchange gifts,
Go often to his house.

45.
If you deal with another you don’t trust
But wish for his good-will,
Be fair in speech but false in thought
And give him lie for lie.

46.
Even with one you ill-trust
And doubt what he means to do,
False words with fair smiles
May get you the gift you desire.

47.
Young and alone on a long road,
Once I lost my way:
Rich I felt when I found another;
Man rejoices in man.

48.
The generous and bold have the best lives,
Are seldom beset by cares,
But the base man sees bogies everywhere
And the miser pines for presents.

49.
Two wooden stakes stood on the plain,
On them I hung my clothes:
Draped in linen, they looked well born,
But, naked, I was a nobody.

50.
The young fir that falls and rots
Having neither needles nor bark,
So is the fate of the friendless man:
Why should he live long?

51.
Hotter than fire among false hearts burns
Friendship for five days,
But suddenly slackens when the sixth dawns:
Feeble their friendship then.

52.
A kind word need not cost much,
The price of praise can be cheap:
With half a loaf and an empty cup
I found myself a friend.

53.
Little a sand-grain, little a dew drop,
Little the minds of men
All men are not equal in wisdom,
The half-wise are everywhere.

54.
It is best for man to be middle-wise,
Not over cunning and clever:
The fairest life is led by those
Who are deft at all they do.

55.
It is best for man to be middle-wise,
Not over cunning and clever:
No man is able to know his future,
So let him sleep in peace.

56.
It is best for man to be middle-wise,
Not over cunning and clever:
The learned man whose lore is deep
Is seldom happy at heart.

57.
Brand kindles brand till they burn out,
Flame is quickened by flame:
One man from another is known by his speech
The simpleton by his silence.

58.
Early shall he rise who has designs
On anothers land or life:
His prey escapes the prone wolf,
The sleeper is seldom victorious.

59.
Early shall he rise who rules few servants,
And set to work at once:
Much is lost by the late sleeper,
Wealth is won by the swift.

60.
A man should know how many logs
And strips of bark from the birch
To stock in autumn, that he may have enough
Wood for his winter fires.

61.
Washed and fed, one may fare to the Thing:
Though one’s clothes be the worse for Wear,
None need be ashamed of his shoes or hose,
Nor of the horse he owns,
Although no thoroughbred.

62.
As the eagle who comes to the ocean shore,
Sniffs and hangs her head,
Dumfounded is he who finds at the Thing
No supporters to plead his case.

63.
It is safe to tell a secret to one,
Risky to tell it to two,
To tell it to three is thoughtless folly,
Everyone else will know.

64.
Moderate at council should a man be,
Not brutal and over bearing:
Among the bold the bully will find
Others as bold as he.

66.
Too early to many homes I came,
Too late, it seemed, to some:
The ale was finished or else un-brewed,
The unpopular cannot please.

67.
Some would invite me to visit their homes,
But none thought I needed a meal,
As though I had eaten a whole joint,
Just before with a friend who had two.

68.
These things are thought the best:
Fire, the sight of the sun,
Good health with the gift to keep it,
And a life that avoids vice.

69.
Not all sick men are utterly wretched:
Some are blessed with sons,
Some with friends, some with riches,
Some with worthy works.

70.
It is always better to be alive,
The living can keep a cow.
Fire, I saw, warming a wealthy man,
With a cold corpse at his door.

71.
The halt can manage a horse,
the handless a flock,
The deaf be a doughty fighter,
To be blind is better than to burn on a pyre:
There is nothing the dead can do.

72.
A son is a blessing, though born late
To a father no longer alive:
Stones would seldom stand by the highway
If sons did not set them there.

73.
Often words uttered to another
Have reaped an ill harvest:
Two beat one, the tongue is head’s bane,
Pockets of fur hide fists.

74.
He welcomes the night who has enough provisions
Short are the sails of a ship,
Dangerous the dark in autumn,
The wind may veer within five days,
And many times in a month.

75.
The half wit does not know that gold
Makes apes of many men:
One is rich, one is poor,
There is no blame in that.

76.
Cattle die, kindred die,
Every man is mortal:
But the good name never dies
Of one who has done well.

77.
Cattle die, kindred die,
Every man is mortal:
But I know one thing that never dies,
The glory of the great dead.


17 posted on 02/09/2012 12:20:39 AM PST by AnTiw1 (I lived through a mormon hell, I will not live in a country with a mormon president.)
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To: WesternCulture
I agree.

My father's DNA (R1b) leads to Norway and my mother's ("V") to Finland.

We're very smart and civilized.

We came to America via Ireland.

18 posted on 02/09/2012 12:23:43 AM PST by blam
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To: WesternCulture

Irish-Polish with Welsh thrown in...Viking ancestry gave me big bones, big muscles, and blue eyes, red hair, and freckles...of course that was when I had hair...and it was red.


19 posted on 02/09/2012 12:43:11 AM PST by crazyhorse691 (Obama is just the symptom of what is destroying the U.S.)
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To: WesternCulture

The Vikings seem to have been underestimated civilizers. Ireland as a nation would not exist but for them.

As riverine traders and marauders they were also immensely influential. The name ‘Russia’ apparently derives from a term meaning river vikings.

One could go on about the influence of Normandy, the Normans of Sicily, the Varangian guards of the Byzantines and others.

One day when Western scholarship drops its blinkered view of the so-called ‘Dark Ages’ and recognizes it as the robust period of civilizational development it was, the full contributions of the Vikings can at last be appreciated.


20 posted on 02/09/2012 1:04:14 AM PST by tanuki (Left-wing Revolution: show biz for boring people.)
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To: WesternCulture
So many?

One is generally not considered "many".

21 posted on 02/09/2012 1:27:29 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (In the good times praise His name, In the bad times do the same, In everything give thanks)
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To: WesternCulture
err.. no, Britain was not built by the Vikings. It's highest influences are the Normans and the Saxons with Latin and Celtic effects. The Norse brought blood, but no big impact to the culture.

Ditto for North America

And Germany? influenced by the Vikings? No.

22 posted on 02/09/2012 3:42:14 AM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: WesternCulture

Interesting point, WC. Your poem brings to mind Polonius’ speech to Laertes in “Hamlet”.

So, I think you are saying that the success of Western Civilization is based on prudence and forethought.


23 posted on 02/09/2012 4:27:01 AM PST by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: WesternCulture
There's no question the Vikings had a civilizing influence. After all, they motivated the peoples of northern and western Europe to organize for robust, local self-defense; to develop vigorous feudal systams and in England at least, an armed peasantry; to fortify their towns; and in general to emphasize the warrior aspects of their cultures.

Whether this is the path one ideally wishes Europe had taken is of course a different question.

24 posted on 02/09/2012 4:29:42 AM PST by sphinx
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To: dog breath
As interesting as the Vikings were they were pagan killers and thieves.

They were also farmers, craftsmen, shopkeepers and traders.

25 posted on 02/09/2012 4:32:43 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Cronos

You wrote:

“err.. no, Britain was not built by the Vikings. It’s highest influences are the Normans and the Saxons with Latin and Celtic effects. The Norse brought blood, but no big impact to the culture.”

Well, the Normans were Vikings. Our English pronouns are from Old Norse if I am not mistaken. I think the author of the thread is overblowing things as he always does, but there’s no doubt the Vikings had an influence. What has to be understood is that at least 70% of all the really important influences came from or were moderated by the Catholic Church - including in Scandinavia!!!


26 posted on 02/09/2012 4:43:38 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
"They brought us Spam..."

Try the lutefisk. "Submit now, or you'll get a second helping!"
27 posted on 02/09/2012 4:49:18 AM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: AnTiw1

What is that?


28 posted on 02/09/2012 5:34:23 AM PST by Ramius (.)
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To: Ramius

Odin’s standing orders to Nordic Caucasians...lol


29 posted on 02/09/2012 6:31:00 AM PST by AnTiw1 (I lived through a mormon hell, I will not live in a country with a mormon president.)
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To: tanuki
"The Vikings seem to have been underestimated civilizers. Ireland as a nation would not exist but for them."?

huh? could you give me clarity on why you say that about Ireland?

30 posted on 02/09/2012 6:45:51 AM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: WesternCulture

Grandpa used to put on his hat with the horns, drink a mug of mead and start talking about raiding to “get some gypsy maidens”.

Vikings - they were just the first door-to-door salesmen.
“Good afternoon young lady. Might I interest you in buying a battle ax or two? I’m working my way through college.”


31 posted on 02/09/2012 7:21:02 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: WesternCulture

Like much of the Viking legacy, IFK’s achievements are ancient history too :P

Though I love Håvamål. You should perhaps have posted some of the more salient words of wisdom from it.

Cheers.


32 posted on 02/09/2012 9:06:26 AM PST by Eurotwit ("Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.")
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To: Cronos

Most of northern England, that was under the Danelaw, is noticeably viking in place name, looks and accent, when compared with the Anglo-Saxon Midlands and South


33 posted on 02/09/2012 11:26:49 AM PST by Mitch86
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To: Cronos

While the Vikings are (understandably) not remembered fondly in Ireland, most large cities in Ireland-especially Dublin-were originally established as Viking trading areas. They could be said to have started the path to Irish urbanization.

http://www.ncte.ie/viking/listt.htm


34 posted on 02/09/2012 12:39:14 PM PST by tanuki (Left-wing Revolution: show biz for boring people.)
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To: AnTiw1
Here's some verse back atcha!

Immigrant Song

Ah~ah~ahhh-ah!.
Ah~ah~ahhh-ah!.
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.

Hammer of the Gods
Will drive our ships to new lands
To fight the horde, and sing and cry:
“Valhalla I am coming.”

On we sweep with, with threshing oar.
Our only goal will be the western shore.

Ah~ah~ahhh-ah!.
Ah~ah~ahhh-ah!.
An’ we come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.

How soft your fields so green
Can whisper tales of gore,
Of how we calmed the tides of war.
We are your overlords.

On we sweep with threshing oar.
Our only goal will be the western shore.

So now you better stop
And rebuild all your ruins.
For peace and trust can win the day
Despite of all your losing.

Ooh~ooh. Ooh~ooh. Ooh~ooh.
Ooh~ooh. Ooh~ooh. Ooh~ooh.
Ah hah hah hah hah hah.

Ooh~ooh. Ooh~ooh. Ooh~ooh.
Ooh~ooh. Ooh~ooh. Ooh~ooh.
Ooh~ooh. Ooh~ooh. Ooh~ooh.

35 posted on 02/09/2012 3:25:51 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: WesternCulture

I believe that the Vikings/Danes contributed greatly to our American (and English) concept of individual rights. Their laws were framed in terms of “injuries” or tresspasses to the rights of others, valued as:

Physical rights of “were” (life or limb);

Psychological status rights of “mund” (peace or privacy); and

Ownership rights of private property.

Under their “customary” legal systems, trial and judgements were rendered by a tribunal of chiefs or the manorial assembly - the predecessor of the jury. Each injury was compensable through the award of monetary damages determined by the social rank of the parties and the severity of the injury which is the basis of tort law.

Trespass was originally considered to apply only to cases of immediate injury to personal liberty, security and physical property. Eventually, the concept of trespass also evolved to include aggression or encroachment of an injurious nature upon the relative rights of persons.

Meetings in large assemblys and votes taken were among the roots of democratic process and decision making. I think that they contributed a great deal to our culture.


36 posted on 02/09/2012 4:48:52 PM PST by marsh2
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To: AnTiw1

That post actually counts.


37 posted on 02/10/2012 10:12:50 PM PST by WesternCulture
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To: Eurotwit

IFK is nothing like the squadra that once defeated HSV.

On the other hand, what did they count for back then?


38 posted on 02/10/2012 10:29:34 PM PST by WesternCulture
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To: blam; Little Bill; martin_fierro

Can’t quote or excerpt, copyright complaint, basically the mtDNA of 1000 year old mice in Miceland, er, Iceland, and Greenland matches the mtDNA of the modern mouse; so far no remains have been found at L’anseaux Meadows, the known Viking site in Newfoundland.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/vikings-carried-mice-to-colonies-7576981.html


39 posted on 03/26/2012 7:18:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: WesternCulture

...
always sweep
with threshing oar

our only goal will be your western shore


40 posted on 03/26/2012 7:26:17 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (No More RINOS!)
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