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WaPo Editorís Startling Defense: ĎMaybe the Founders Were Wrong to Guarantee Freedom of Religioní
The Blaze ^ | JONATHON M. SEIDL

Posted on 02/09/2012 8:48:27 AM PST by Michael van der Galien

We’ve covered the hot debate raging between the Obama administration and the Catholic Church on this site. And we’ve covered plenty of arguments for and against the Obamacare mandate that businesses, through their insurers, offer free contraception. But we haven’t covered a defense quite like this. It goes like this: “Maybe the founders were wrong to guarantee free Exercise of religion,” but they did and the administration needs to respect that.

Wait, what?

That‘s what Washington Post editor Melinda Henneberger told MSNBC’s Chris Matthews last night while defending Catholics. Here’s the full quote:

“Maybe the Founders were wrong to guarantee free exercise of religion in the First Amendment but that is what they did and I don’t think we have to choose here.” She went on to to say that “…What [the Obama administration is] doing is guaranteeing people, you know, these Catholic outfits and others can’t serve the populations that they were called to serve.” That’s a good point. But the comment about the founders seems startling. Newsbusters may have put it best when it said, “Henneberger’s larger point was defensive of the Catholic Church and of religious liberty. However, her comment on the First Amendment was poorly phrased.”

You can watch the segment at The Blaze.

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KEYWORDS: catholic; constitution; obama; obamacare; obamamandate; religion; washingtonpost

1 posted on 02/09/2012 8:48:36 AM PST by Michael van der Galien
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To: Michael van der Galien

Islam is a protected religion, but the Catholic Church is the enemy.

Anti-Catholicism really is the last acceptable form of bigotry in the U.S.


2 posted on 02/09/2012 8:54:05 AM PST by Shadow44
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To: Michael van der Galien

>>However, her comment on the First Amendment was poorly phrased.<<

True.

She didn’t mean the “Maybe” part.


3 posted on 02/09/2012 8:55:01 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Spoiler Alert! The secret to Terra Nova: THEY ARE ALL DEAD!!!)
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To: Michael van der Galien
...these Catholic outfits...

She ment that with the utmost respect....

4 posted on 02/09/2012 8:56:24 AM PST by tbpiper
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To: Michael van der Galien

Let’s see, according to liberals, there’s should be a right to health care and a right to free contraception but no right to religious liberty. That one can be tossed.


5 posted on 02/09/2012 8:59:21 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: Michael van der Galien
Maybe the Founders were wrong to guarantee free exercise of religion in the First Amendment

Hutcheson believed that the right to judgement or belief was an unalienable natural right.Jefferson was well aware that the opinions and belief of men depend not on their own will, but follow involuntarily the evidence proposed to their minds.

6 posted on 02/09/2012 9:05:14 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Shadow44
Anti-Catholicism really is the last acceptable form of bigotry in the U.S.

When did "Southern White Male" become a protected minority? Did I miss something?

7 posted on 02/09/2012 9:05:14 AM PST by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: Michael van der Galien

Maybe the Founding Fathers made that minor “mistake” with the historical perspective, totally missed by this editor, that this country was founded by Protestants and Catholics fleeing religious persecution.


8 posted on 02/09/2012 9:06:15 AM PST by the_Watchman
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To: Shadow44
It's not just anti-Catholic. It's anti-Christianity, of any denomination. The left has done a very good job of labeling Christians as anti-intellectual, unthoughtful, and bigoted - best encapsulated by Obama’s ‘They cling to guns or religion’ comment. Ted Turner said that Christianity was a stupid religion. Faith = stupidity, those who deride it based on their ‘superior’ education are ‘cool’. Blacks and Hispanics are given a pass on religion, to some extent, because the left thinks of them as primitive in their educational evolution - being suppressed and all.. The rest of us fall into the categories of ‘dangerous zealots’ or dumb sheep. That's how many on the left think. Of course they are never deserving of derision, because they are all-knowing and progressive.
9 posted on 02/09/2012 9:06:18 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Michael van der Galien

“’What [the Obama administration is] doing is guaranteeing people, you know, these Catholic outfits and others can’t serve the populations that they were called to serve.’ That’s a good point.”

“That’s a good point”!! What’s good about it? What conceivable superior knowledge of this administration could possibly qualify it (or this nitwit columnist) to determine what medical or other services “these Catholic outfits” must offer? Surely, The Blaze isn’t praising such inanity. If so, that’s the end of The Blaze for me.


10 posted on 02/09/2012 9:09:21 AM PST by Mach9
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To: Michael van der Galien

Maybe the Founding Fathers were right about tar and feathers.


11 posted on 02/09/2012 9:09:35 AM PST by Lady Lucky (Public education -- government cheese for the brain.)
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To: Michael van der Galien
Maybe the Founders were wrong to guarantee free exercise of religion in the First Amendment

Maybe the Founders were wrong to guarantee freedom of the press in the First Amendment ...

12 posted on 02/09/2012 9:10:05 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: tbpiper; Michael van der Galien

She left out those obstreperous AMISH!


13 posted on 02/09/2012 9:11:35 AM PST by TEXOKIE (... and HAPPY VALENTINES DAY to all FREEPERS EVERYWHERE!)
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To: Tex-Con-Man; pieceofthepuzzle

This is true. I think the left’s overall strategy is that they think if they can break the Catholic Church, then all of the other Christians will fall in line with them.


14 posted on 02/09/2012 9:11:47 AM PST by Shadow44
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To: cotton1706

Not just a right to “health care”, but she embues the government with the right to compell religous institutions to provide “health care” however broadly defined.

Let’s not forget, the founders would, to a man, have vehemently denied that the Constitution said what the Supreme Court held that is said in Roe v. Wade.

However tendentious broadening the definition of “health care” to include what a lot of people would call infanticide, and of a particularly callous nature, might be, the notion that anyone has a Constitutional right to the “health care”, which means, by any definition, the labor and property of third parties, is laughable on its face.


15 posted on 02/09/2012 9:14:06 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: Michael van der Galien

If, according to this burned-out bulb, the Founding Fathers made one mistake; then perhaps they made more. Let’s see what else is a bother: guns, trial by jury, illegal searches, right to one’s property, state’s rights, limited government.

Wait, except for the guns, all those rights have been nullified by SCOTUS.


16 posted on 02/09/2012 9:17:10 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
“The left has done a very good job of labeling Christians as anti-intellectual, unthoughtful, and bigoted - best encapsulated by Obama’s ‘They cling to guns or religion’ comment. Ted Turner said that Christianity was a stupid religion.”

It's high time the left realize that Jesus Christ is not a religion - He's the Truth.

17 posted on 02/09/2012 9:17:51 AM PST by MichaelCorleone (Stop feeding the beast; spend money only with those who support traditional American values.)
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To: Michael van der Galien

Give Obama credit for not being a Nazi. Hilter felt he was too weak politically to take on the Church during the War. He intended to even up the score with the Catholic Church after the War.


18 posted on 02/09/2012 9:18:14 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: Michael van der Galien
"Poorly phrased"

Yes. I'm SURE that's all it was. I'm sure the editor of one of the nation's largest newspapers simply lacks the English language skills to clearly state her thoughts and ideas. That being the case, perhaps she should resign...

19 posted on 02/09/2012 9:18:37 AM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25% MORE sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Unlike Stalin, who asked, “How many divisions does the Pope have?”


20 posted on 02/09/2012 9:19:54 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: Shadow44

Paybacks for the Crusades


21 posted on 02/09/2012 9:20:53 AM PST by Post5203 (Newter 0bama...The real Axis of Evil...Washington, New York City and Hollywood.)
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To: Shadow44
Anti-Catholicism really is the last acceptable form of bigotry in the U.S.

I would say anti-Christian. Anti white old fat guy too.
22 posted on 02/09/2012 9:25:36 AM PST by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else (Maybe Tim Thomas))
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To: Shadow44
Anti-Catholicism really is the last acceptable form of bigotry in the U.S.

Anti-Catholic bigotry ok.

Anti-Protestant bigotry not ok.

Really?

23 posted on 02/09/2012 9:25:36 AM PST by houeto (Mitt Romney - A Whiter Shade of FAIL © - tomkat)
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To: cotton1706

Yes, very true. And the sad thing is: the freedom of religion lies at the very core, the very foundation, of freedom in the West. If it is down away with, freedom itself will cease to exist.


24 posted on 02/09/2012 9:27:00 AM PST by Michael van der Galien
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To: houeto

See my second post FRiend. I was lazy, and should have made it all in one. We’re all on the hook for this.


25 posted on 02/09/2012 9:31:52 AM PST by Shadow44
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To: Shadow44
Anti-Catholicism really is the last acceptable form of bigotry in the U.S.

Well, that and white males. If you're a white male, a CEO, and you're Catholic...you will be the first to be pilloried under the new regime.

26 posted on 02/09/2012 9:33:46 AM PST by Lou L (The Senate without a filibuster is just a 100-member version of the House.)
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To: Michael van der Galien

It won’t be long before this country has its own “kristalnacht” where Leftist/Democrat/Union thugs attack and vandalize Christian-owned businesses.

Germany 1933 is starting to look very familiar.


27 posted on 02/09/2012 9:36:07 AM PST by Wordkraft
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Where are all the liberals and commies that usually bitch about separation of church and state??

oh, right, it's "their" guy doing this.

28 posted on 02/09/2012 9:38:16 AM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: Michael van der Galien

Melinda Henneberger (@MelindaDC) anchors She the People, a forum for women writing on politics, culture and news

29 posted on 02/09/2012 9:39:41 AM PST by kcvl
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To: Michael van der Galien

Bill of rights bump.


30 posted on 02/09/2012 9:41:03 AM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Michael van der Galien

“But the comment about the founders seems startling. Newsbusters may have put it best when it said, “Henneberger’s larger point was defensive of the Catholic Church and of religious liberty. However, her comment on the First Amendment was poorly phrased.”

I think she meant it just the way she said. It reflects the same ideology as BHO’s when he said the Founders made it difficult for him to force Congress and do all that he wanted.

Very disturbing. Our Constitution, religion and WE are all under attack by powerful forces.


31 posted on 02/09/2012 9:41:42 AM PST by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: Shadow44

“Anti-Catholicism really is the last acceptable form of bigotry in the U.S.”

Anti-Christianity in general - and a frightening resurgence of anti-Semitism (thanks in part to Ru-Paul fan-atics).

Atheists and Muslims are rampant in the BHO regime’s reign of terror. WHY can’t more of the public see this?


32 posted on 02/09/2012 9:46:44 AM PST by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: Michael van der Galien
Maybe the Founding Fathers should have included the right to hang any liberal as soon as they open their progressive mouths for the first time.

LLS

33 posted on 02/09/2012 9:52:19 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Hey repubic elite scumbags... jam mitt up your collective arses!)
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To: Michael van der Galien

Founders are all spinning now in the grave at about 3000 RPM.


34 posted on 02/09/2012 10:00:16 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Michael van der Galien

Founders are all spinning now in the grave at about 3000 RPM.


35 posted on 02/09/2012 10:00:34 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Michael van der Galien

I heard the quote on the Roger Hedgecock show yesterday. I don’t really think the woman meant to imply she thought freedom of religion was a bad thing. More like, “like it or not, freedom of religion was guaranteed by the founders.” There are plenty of real causes for outrage in the obamacare mandate business, but I don’t think this WaPo-ette’s commentary is one of them.


36 posted on 02/09/2012 10:05:42 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: central_va

She’s right. Dump the whole First Amendment, and the Second one too (shhhudder!).

Obama will take care of us.

And strengthen the FACE and Patriot Acts!

We don’t need jobs, we have unemployment checks.


37 posted on 02/09/2012 10:10:23 AM PST by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: Michael van der Galien

This is a must read in the WSJ today:

WSJ
WONDER LAND
FEBRUARY 9, 2012, 9:51 A.M. ET By DANIEL HENNINGER
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204136404577211280758375336.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

Transformers

The Catholic church learns the true meaning of Obama’s ‘transformative’ presidency. ...

[....snip....]


38 posted on 02/09/2012 10:12:05 AM PST by Matchett-PI ("One party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious. Guess which ones." ~GagdadBob)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
I don’t really think the woman meant to imply she thought freedom of religion was a bad thing. More like, “like it or not, freedom of religion was guaranteed by the founders.”

I actually tried to interpret her remarks that way. However, wouldn't it have been easier to simply phrase her remark the way you did? I think she probably thought she said what you suggest; but the rest sort of "Freudian slipped" out.

It's perfectly in keeping with Hussein's remarks that "the Constitution didn't make any allowances for redistribution of wealth"; that "the constitution makes it harder to govern"; and Ginsburg's remarks that the Muslim Brotherhood should emulate South Africa's constitution rather than ours.

39 posted on 02/09/2012 10:18:10 AM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Shadow44; Tex-Con-Man; pieceofthepuzzle; Post5203; nhwingut; houeto; Lou L; llandres
Anti-Catholicism really is the last acceptable form of bigotry in the U.S.

Everybody relax. Shadow44 is paraphrasing of a famous quote (if you're Catholic) by either G.K. Chesterton or Archbishop Sheen.

40 posted on 02/09/2012 10:21:53 AM PST by Oratam
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To: Michael van der Galien

Why are we surprised? The world is not our friend.


41 posted on 02/09/2012 10:31:33 AM PST by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: Michael van der Galien
That‘s what Washington Post editor Melinda Henneberger told MSNBC’s Chris Matthews last night while defending Catholics. Here’s the full quote:

“Maybe the Founders were wrong to guarantee free exercise of religion in the First Amendment but that is what they did and I don’t think we have to choose here.”

Henneberger was the scribe that was defending the Catholic Church, you should have heard mellisa {the other airhead} she wanted to bring back boiling oil for the Bishops.

42 posted on 02/09/2012 10:41:11 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: Oratam

Mine was a joke...if I were any more relaxed, I’d be napping.


43 posted on 02/09/2012 10:50:47 AM PST by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: Michael van der Galien

One of the things that’s lost in this debate is that religious organizations are called by their missions to create charities that house and feed the poor, that heal the sick, that educate the young, that support wholesome recreational activities, and so on. The administration and IRS seek to deny that such activities are religious in nature. The IRS only exempts church expenses. The administration seeks to make a distinction between maintaining the aspect of the church that relates to the building and the sermons. A church is much more than that, and so long as it is not a commercial, for profit enterprise, there is no basis to exempt the church but not the hospital. They are all part of the same religious expression.


44 posted on 02/09/2012 10:53:57 AM PST by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: Lady Lucky

“Maybe the Founding Fathers were right about tar and feathers.”

I’ll bring some torches and a couple of pitchforks. Where’s the party?


45 posted on 02/09/2012 10:54:52 AM PST by READINABLUESTATE ("We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately." - Franklin)
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To: READINABLUESTATE

This is no party...this is war. Some folks may be reluctant to realize it for what it is, but our freedoms and liberty are on the line, and we must call it what it is..war.


46 posted on 02/09/2012 11:56:03 AM PST by itssme
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To: Tex-Con-Man

I got a chuckle from the pic on your profile page.


47 posted on 02/09/2012 12:29:04 PM PST by Oratam
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To: Michael van der Galien

Wow. this editor and Justice Ginsberg and Obama and the left pretty much openly hate Christianity. At least in the old days these types pretended otherwise.


48 posted on 02/09/2012 12:29:04 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: llandres; Morgana; writer33

I stopped giving leftists the benefit of the doubt long long ago.


49 posted on 02/09/2012 2:37:36 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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