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The InSantorum Illusion
Wordpress ^ | 09 Feb 2012 | WisdomDepot

Posted on 02/09/2012 5:28:45 PM PST by bksanders

Apart from not having the first delegate commitment, exactly what have “victories” in Iowa, Missouri, Colorado and Minnesota acknowledged?

First, that participants in caucuses are underwhelmed to voice their solidarity with their higher ground constituents. This “group think” forum is void, by necessity, of critical thought. This is not to say that the caucus forum is the antithesis of the primary process. It is always much easier when espousing your “heartfelt commitment” to an issue to take the high road when exposed to the crowd in a non-binding farcical display. These same “voters” will doubtlessly “rethink” that stance when confronted with the isolation of a voting booth. It’s easy to sound righteous in a public forum. Even easier when that cry is meaningless. It’s an entirely different matter when the fate of one’s country hangs in the balance.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: caucus; delegates; primaries; santorum
I expect an education on the importance / validity of the Caucus Syndrome.
1 posted on 02/09/2012 5:28:52 PM PST by bksanders
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To: bksanders

Somebody got a thesaurus for Christmas.

BTW I support Santorum and will continue to do so.


2 posted on 02/09/2012 5:33:34 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: bksanders; writer33

Writer shuts eyes and plugs ears while muttering to self “It didn’t matter, it didn’t matter, it didn’t matter”

Santorum has won 4 states.

That is not an illusion. That is reality.


3 posted on 02/09/2012 5:33:48 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: bksanders

Who cares if caucuses are useful or not. The primary contests on Tuesday were a game changer. Rick is raising cash and making news and Mittens is wandering around whining that Newt and Rick are closet Libs. It also showed that Mittens is incredibly weak and doesn’t really deserve front runner status.


4 posted on 02/09/2012 5:35:10 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: cripplecreek

I don’t support Santorum, and I have found that now, on FR, it has become a dangerous thing to admit to.

So, let the nastiness and name-calling begin.


5 posted on 02/09/2012 5:38:14 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: John Valentine
I don’t support Santorum, and I have found that now, on FR, it has become a dangerous thing to admit to.

Welcome to the world of the non Newt supporters.
6 posted on 02/09/2012 5:40:38 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: John Valentine

You have got to be kidding. This was Newt Land. They even had a slogan... Newt: Join or Die.

They meant it. I wonder how many Santorum supporters were zotted?


7 posted on 02/09/2012 5:43:41 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: John Valentine

You’ve been here long enough to know better.


8 posted on 02/09/2012 5:45:23 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Lazlo in PA
"The primary contests on Tuesday were a game changer. Rick is raising cash and making news and Mittens is wandering around whining…"
Agreed, but I can't attach any significance to it apart from the money Rick will raise and the insatiable appetite of the legacy media being fed.
The coming months will be, interesting. Rick has a useful purpose in this process.
At the very least he has kept the Mittiot from waving yet another victory flag as if his nomination were compulsory.
9 posted on 02/09/2012 5:51:00 PM PST by bksanders (Old Gets Older the Older I Get)
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To: John Valentine

“I don’t support Santorum, and I have found that now, on FR, it has become a dangerous thing to admit to.”

as long as you don’t support Romney or Obama you’ll do just fine.


10 posted on 02/09/2012 5:55:11 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: GeronL

Fortunately I can see further than March 1st…
The whole MINN/MO/CO event made such a ripple.
BTW, when does MO delegate?
Reality is spelled:
D E L E G A T E S


11 posted on 02/09/2012 5:57:32 PM PST by bksanders (Old Gets Older the Older I Get)
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To: GeronL

I support whoever has the better chance of beating Romney on a given day, but am not thrilled about either. I actually support Paul in a way since he is the only person on my ballot aside from Romney.


12 posted on 02/09/2012 5:58:12 PM PST by wolfman23601
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To: John Valentine

I, for one, wish you no ill will for your choice of candidate, or disdain for another candidate.


13 posted on 02/09/2012 6:00:28 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: bksanders
Estimated Republican Delegate Scorecard
14 posted on 02/09/2012 6:00:56 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: bksanders

“BTW, when does MO delegate?”

It starts March 17th, and I think it concludes in June. Its a 3 step process I think, county first , then congressional district and then state convention.

I have never participated in a caucus before, but I will this year and it will be for Santorum.


15 posted on 02/09/2012 6:03:00 PM PST by WILLIALAL
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To: ari-freedom

The problem with Romney...and something the RNC is seeing now..is Mitt can’t win in the Midwest. I know. I grew up there. Typical scene from a few years back in the Midwest:

Boys (knock-knock): “Well hello maam, can we have a few minutes of your time to talk to you?”

Maam: “Well sure young fellas..you look nice..it must be hot out there on those bicycles..let me see if I have any lemonade in the ice box....what do you want to talk about anyway?”

Boys: “Well maam, we’re from the Church of Christ of Latter Day Saint’s..the Mormons” (smiling)

DOOR SLAM!

....Forget the Midwest Mitt...ain’t gonna happen.


16 posted on 02/09/2012 6:07:16 PM PST by DJlaysitup
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To: GeronL

I came very close...twice.


17 posted on 02/09/2012 6:11:50 PM PST by PjhCPA (Game On!)
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To: bksanders
BTW, when does MO delegate?

At the end of Mar.

18 posted on 02/09/2012 6:14:32 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: PjhCPA; null and void; KantianBurke

bump


19 posted on 02/09/2012 6:16:23 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: bksanders

Romney 92
Santorum 44
Gingrich 29
Paul 8

I can’t believe that creep Romney has 92 delegates. Hopefully after Super Tuesday, Santorum will be in first place. He might even get Texas as he is there today and had a packed group listening to him.


20 posted on 02/09/2012 6:20:19 PM PST by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: napscoordinator

At this point we aren’t sure if Texas will even have a primary!


21 posted on 02/09/2012 6:36:24 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: writer33; napscoordinator; mnehring

As mnehring pointed out on the local board:

One of the concerning issues is that Texas will send delegates to the convention, they will just be chosen by party heads in each precinct, not by the votes. Those electors will not be obligated to any candidate so it is open for manipulation. I am already seeing Paultards cheering this move and working to get their people seated as delegates throughout the state. The best thing we can do at this point is to get involved with your local precinct and become a delegate or make sure those who are delegates are chosen based on the values you want represented, not some ‘occupy’ types


22 posted on 02/09/2012 6:41:07 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL
At this point we aren’t sure if Texas will even have a primary!

I know that is a shame. The thing is I am surprised that Paul wouldn't take Texas since he lives there and everyone else had to at least have their home state. I definitely think that Santorum will take Pennsylvania, Newt will take Georgia.

23 posted on 02/09/2012 6:55:39 PM PST by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: bksanders

Actually, Romney won those states, b/c he exceeded expectations. Experts thought that Romney’s fake smile would fade if he got smoked, but the plastic surgeons worked miracles and the sucker kept smiling. BIG Santorum loss!


24 posted on 02/09/2012 6:56:10 PM PST by alstewartfan (27 of 36 of Romney's judicial appointments were DEMOCRATS!!!!!)
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To: alstewartfan
Actually, Romney won those states,
No. Santorum was only favored in Mo. Romney had 60% in CO in '08 and lost outright to Santorum.
25 posted on 02/09/2012 7:24:36 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney be the Paul Tsongas of 2012.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I, for one, wish you no ill will for your choice of candidate, or disdain for another candidate.

Thanks for that. Actually, there is only one on the R side I actually have disdain for and I think we all know who that might be.

As for the other candidates, it's a matter of emphasis, and it's not all in one direction.

As for the name calling, I have to admit that there has been a good share of that, but it seems like the supporters of some candidates are more prone to it than others. Santorum seems now to have attracted the intolerant.

What set me off was that (on another thread) I bemoaned the range of choices if we were to be left with Romney, Santorum or Paul, and out came the knives.

The truth is that I was already concerned with the limited range of the remaining four.

26 posted on 02/09/2012 7:25:31 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: alstewartfan
Actually, Romney won those states,
No. Santorum was only favored in Mo. Romney had 60% in CO in '08 and lost outright to Santorum. Santorum also broke 50% in MN. Has romney broken 50% ANYwhere?
27 posted on 02/09/2012 7:26:54 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney be the Paul Tsongas of 2012.)
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To: GeronL
They even had a slogan... Newt: Join or Die.

You know, I follow these threads pretty closely, and I have never seen these words before.

I wonder how many Santorum supporters were zotted?

Do you really think ANY were? Personally I doubt it, unless it was for an unrelated offense.

28 posted on 02/09/2012 7:30:02 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: GeronL

The last thing I heard on the Texas primary was maybe mid-April or first of May sometime.


29 posted on 02/09/2012 7:42:51 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: cripplecreek

Somebody got a thesaurus for Christmas.

____________________________________________________________

lol...that is axiomatic

Go Rick!


30 posted on 02/09/2012 7:43:57 PM PST by FresnoRobert (When born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Live your life so that when you die, it's reversed.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

I was playing a stooge spin doctor, too well I guess. So many are trying to portray Rick’s stunning victories as inconsequential, so I guess I got a little too snarky here. I think the wins may turn out to be monumental. I agree with YOU completely. Have you seen Rick’s crowds? Impressive, to say the least. Bob


31 posted on 02/09/2012 7:46:25 PM PST by alstewartfan (27 of 36 of Romney's judicial appointments were DEMOCRATS!!!!!)
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To: FresnoRobert

LOL I thought Jesse Jackson had joined FR.


32 posted on 02/09/2012 7:46:41 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: John Valentine

Whatever. It was a complete Newt love-fest around here a couple weeks ago. Mere mention of another candidate brought condemnation and ire. Now that the newt isn’t looking too hot it’s become a little nicer around here again


33 posted on 02/09/2012 7:50:55 PM PST by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: bksanders
You are right, reality is DELEGATES. Rick is in second. He leads Newt. PROOF HERE
34 posted on 02/09/2012 7:53:01 PM PST by FresnoRobert (When born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Live your life so that when you die, it's reversed.)
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To: cripplecreek
pomposity Definition So true!!! Jesse Jackson suffers from this. Or I guess we suffer when we listen... pom·pos·i·ty[ pom póssətee ]pom·pos·i·ties Plural NOUN 1. self-importance: an excessive sense of self-importance, usually displayed through exaggerated seriousness or stateliness in speech and manner 2. pompous act: an act, remark, or gesture that is exaggerated in its seriousness or stateliness and conveys an excessive sense of self-importance lol...I recieved a letter from the Union representative after I wrote one of his guys up. He said; "It's axiomatic that this neophyte supervisor has an axe to grind..." I litterally laughed out loud when I read it!
35 posted on 02/09/2012 8:02:08 PM PST by FresnoRobert (When born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Live your life so that when you die, it's reversed.)
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To: John Valentine
It's the official Freepathon Slogan:

The Newtron Rebellion is ON!! As Ben Franklin says, "Join, or die!!" [FReepathon thread XVII]

36 posted on 02/09/2012 8:53:37 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: napscoordinator

bump


37 posted on 02/09/2012 8:56:55 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: bksanders

Really, why does Santorum only win in caucuses or primary that does not award delegates?

If it is non-binding I will vote for whomever is closest to my belief/principles. But if it is do-or-die (like we must defeat obozo), I will vote for the one I think can pulverize obozo.

Example - if by the time I vote and the ‘nominee’ is all but certain, I will vote for my real choice - the one who challenges obozo’s eligibility even though he does not stand a chance. If it looks like my vote still counts, I will vote for the one I deem most likely to defeat obozo.


38 posted on 02/10/2012 5:39:26 AM PST by chrisnj
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To: FresnoRobert
I'm not shortsighted. In football parlance Rick has a few first downs.
The Mittiot has the Refs in his pocket.
Newt has the firepower to take the win.
Just my opinion.
I have read all of Santorum's stances / proclamations and find them wanting.
In the Hebrew, "mene mene tekel phares"; "weighed in the balance and found wanting…"
He is head and shoulders a better nominee than the Mittiot.
Newt just has the bull by the balls; he gets it and can bring it.
I fault you none for your position and encourage your support for your candidate.
Should America decide Rick should get the nod, I'll be in his camp 100%.
For the life of me I don't see that occuring.
I can not say the same thing for the Mittiot; the Sorosian machine will destroy him.
My position is based on years of research and a firm belief that Newt has precisely the "gifts" this country desperately needs "at this time".
After taking down the GOPe, he will then render the Soro's machine futile and the coup de grâce, reformation in the very way government works.
(Don't you just love it when we help squander a billionaires fortune?!)
I am passionate and persistent in this conviction.
Thx for your thoughts.
39 posted on 02/10/2012 4:43:50 PM PST by bksanders (Old Gets Older the Older I Get)
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To: alstewartfan

Good one! That Botox® in a box is tuff stuff, huh?


40 posted on 02/10/2012 4:45:30 PM PST by bksanders (Old Gets Older the Older I Get)
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To: FresnoRobert; cripplecreek
Thesaurus? That's so 20th Century!
I use my patented "Semantic Etymological of Amelioration"

Look for it in warezites internationally.

Mama said it's not a skoolnite, I can stay up and post… peace

41 posted on 02/10/2012 5:01:40 PM PST by bksanders (Old Gets Older the Older I Get)
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