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Believe In A Return To The Gold Standard? You Are Now Officially An Extremist According To The FBI
ZeroHedge ^ | February 11, 2012 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 02/11/2012 9:58:03 PM PST by SaveOurRepublicFromTyranny

Just when we thought the US could not sink any further in its usurpation of civil rights, here comes the FBI to advise all those who tend to think that the broken economic model of the past century is the cause for the global insolvency, that wanton fiat diluation and reckless debt issuance does not 'fix' the problem of uber-leverage, and that the gold standard is the proper way to return to monetary stability, will henceforth be considered extremists. From Reuters: "Anti-government extremists opposed to taxes and regulations pose a growing threat to local law enforcement officers in the United States, the FBI warned on Monday. These extremists, sometimes known as "sovereign citizens," believe they can live outside any type of government authority, FBI agents said at a news conference." And the most epic line ever written: "The extremists may refuse to pay taxes, defy government environmental regulations and believe the United States went bankrupt by going off the gold standard."

(Excerpt) Read more at zerohedge.com ...


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1 posted on 02/11/2012 9:58:12 PM PST by SaveOurRepublicFromTyranny
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To: All; SaveOurRepublicFromTyranny

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


2 posted on 02/11/2012 10:04:38 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: SaveOurRepublicFromTyranny

And the Khmer Rouge went after all the people they thought were intelligent.


3 posted on 02/11/2012 10:05:07 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

The trick may be, to be so smart, they actually think, you are stupid. Worked real well with Global Warming. They ended up calling us skeptics, idiots. And I guess we were, just too stupid, to see their brilliance.


4 posted on 02/11/2012 10:08:32 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: SaveOurRepublicFromTyranny

Mixing a political view of any kind in with conduct that has been banned by law, is the very sign of a witch and warlock hunt. What crime, even the most technical and controversial one, is constituted by a political view? This pronouncement appears to be full of Rat droppings.


5 posted on 02/11/2012 10:10:59 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: SaveOurRepublicFromTyranny

Wow so the FBI is targeting people for having a different political opinions....

Just as the Founding Fathers envisioned. (sarcasm off)


6 posted on 02/11/2012 10:13:57 PM PST by Sprite518
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To: SaveOurRepublicFromTyranny

Not enough on Zero Hedge...


7 posted on 02/11/2012 10:14:03 PM PST by Carthego delenda est
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To: Sprite518

The government has grown menacing and paranoid like it’s Kenyan leader. We need a new President badly. The DOJ needs a big house cleaning.


8 posted on 02/11/2012 10:26:20 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: SaveOurRepublicFromTyranny
I had an acquaintance who was totally off the grid, never had a Social Security Card or paid taxes and as far as the government knew did not exist. He was from a very self sufficient Kentucky family and worked always on a cash only basis, he could fix about anything broken, wire a building and was a man of many talents. I have another friend who while not from such a background is slowly fading off the grid into the West Virginia hills. He went from being very much in the system, he was a old Navy guy, to rejecting the world. He shares the ability to do about anything for himself, such people have convinced me that a true education is not just about books.
9 posted on 02/11/2012 10:26:52 PM PST by dog breath
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To: SaveOurRepublicFromTyranny

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10 posted on 02/11/2012 10:33:17 PM PST by rfp1234 (RFP's Law: Whoever blames Bush first shall lose the argument.)
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To: SaveOurRepublicFromTyranny
"...and believe the United States went bankrupt by going off the gold standard."

It did. By design.

And certainly almost no one who voted in November, 1932 for a sound gold standard money according to the Glass money plank in the platform could have believed that less than a year later, in a radio address reviewing the extraordinary monetary acts of the New Deal, the President would be saying: "We are thus continuing to move toward a managed currency."

(snip)

The third step was a decree by the President requiring all persons and corporations whatever to divest themselves of gold and hand it over to the government. The law authorizing him to do that had fixed the penalty of non-compliance at a fine equal to twice the value of the gold. The executive decree added the penalty of imprisonment.

In view of further intentions not yet disclosed it was imperative for the government to get possession of all the gold. With a lot of gold in private hands its control of money, banking, and credit could have been seriously challenged. All that the government asked for at first was possession of the gold, as if it were a trust. For their gold as they gave it up people received paper money, but this paper money was still gold standard money — that is to say, it had always been exchangeable for gold dollar for dollar, and people supposed that it would be so again, when the crisis passed. Not a word had yet been said about devaluing the dollar or repudiating the gold standard. The idea held out was that a: people surrendered their gold they were supporting the nation's credit.

This decree calling in the gold was put forth or April 5. There was then an awkward interlude. The Treasury was empty. It had to sell some bonds. If people knew what was going to happen they might hesitate to buy new Treasury bonds. Knowing that it was going to devalue the dollar, knowing that it was going to repudiate the gold redemption clause in its bonds, even while it was writing the law of repudiation, the government nevertheless issued and sold to the people bonds engraved as usual, that is, with the promise of the United States Government to pay the interest and redeem the principal "in United States gold coin of the present standard of value."

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The fifth step was the act of repudiation. By resolution June 5, 1933, the Congress repudiated the gold redemption clause in all government obligations, saying they should be payable when due in any kind of money the government might see fit to provide; and, going further, it declared that the same traditional redemption clause in all private contracts, such, for example, as railroad and other corporation bonds, was contrary to public policy and therefore invalid.

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When by the Inflation Amendment the dollar was cut loose from gold it did not immediately fall. That was because, in spite of everything, it was the best piece of money in the whole world. Well then, when the dollar did not fall headlong of its own weight the government began to club it down, and the club it used to beat it with was gold. In the President's words the procedure was like this: "I am authorizing the Reconstruction Finance Corporation to buy newly mined gold in the United States at prices to be determined from time to time after consultation with the Secretary of the Treasury and the President. Whenever necessary to the end in view we shall also buy or sell gold in the world market. My aim in taking this step is to establish and maintain continuous control. This is a policy and not an expedient."


11 posted on 02/11/2012 10:34:46 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: SaveOurRepublicFromTyranny

The same feudal ideas run through all their jurisprudence, and constantly remind us of the distinction between the Prince and the subject. No such ideas obtain here; at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people; and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects (unless the African slaves among us may be so called) and have none to govern but themselves; the citizens of America are equal as fellow citizens, and as joint tenants in the sovereignty.

United States Supreme Court
2 Dall 419
decided 1793


12 posted on 02/11/2012 10:37:03 PM PST by djf (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2801220/posts)
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To: rfp1234

You’re being reported to Attack Watch.

/sarc


13 posted on 02/11/2012 10:37:14 PM PST by wastedyears (Signature for sale.)
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To: TigersEye

LOL! If you are like me, you’ll be posting excerpts from that old thread for quite awhile - it is ALL so relevant to today!


14 posted on 02/11/2012 10:38:52 PM PST by 21twelve
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To: SaraJohnson

I seriously doubt the agencies are a problem. It’s the Admin that usually cultivates the hostility.

I’m fairly outspoken about the dumb asses that freely unload their nastiness and weapons on citizens and animals, but there’s a larger network that I’m confident is doing its best to “Live Free or Die” — the humble patriots that go unnoticed. And sadly, they’re hardly recognized. They are in prayers, however, along with the troops, and the unborn, etc.


15 posted on 02/11/2012 10:39:54 PM PST by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: SaveOurRepublicFromTyranny

No mention of suicide bombers, Islam or self-aware suicidal airliners?


16 posted on 02/11/2012 10:43:02 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Gene Eric

Government as God runs through all government agencies.

Democrats probably win 90 of 100 civilian government employment votes in a bad year.


17 posted on 02/11/2012 10:47:46 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: 21twelve
You nailed me there! ;-)

Before long I may have specific excerpts, with supporting links, drafted into a word doc with the HTML for repeated posting.

It's a great read. A history lesson for those who didn't live through the era and potentially enlightening even for those who did.

18 posted on 02/11/2012 11:02:08 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: GeronL

No doubt, but I’m not referring to the administrators and bureaucrats.

Hey, if it were up to me, I’d triple pay the best and fire the rest. I think security is serious business, and only the best should be empowered with the responsibility. BTW, the consequences for Constitutional violations would be steep.

And some folks just want to do their job without the political flak. We should be smart about the ball busting.


19 posted on 02/11/2012 11:02:54 PM PST by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: justa-hairyape

The FBI wants his own “I’m a WACO victim too” welfare paycheck. But real injustice against Christians is a threat to their livelyhood. It’s all too obvious the communists have gotten this country into a spiral of finger pointing, tax avoidance, joblessness, benefits looking retiring bureaucrates of crap and gayness.

So austerity and the gold standard is now equated with tax avoidance? Oh, really. Who is the job thief and avoider and tax evader here? Benefit seekers and victimhood seekers.

This justice system is corrupt politically. It is a wussy country incapable of tolerating criticizing Zero the leader... yep.

What a freaking mess of losers.

But watch them and their arrogance fail them and then they will cower around tail between legs. LOOOOSERS!!!


20 posted on 02/11/2012 11:19:34 PM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Gene Eric

We need a divorce in order to avoid outright civil war and government abuse excuse giving. We need to be separated from this morass of incompetence.

Our cops certainly do not like to go to domestic violence calls, they will prefer a civil divorce over he prosecution always seeking to provoke some firefight that gets cops and people to hurt each other. THese sniveling lawyers... and the FBI is full of them unfortunately.


21 posted on 02/11/2012 11:22:46 PM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: JudgemAll

Oh yeah, the civil disputes completely suck for the cops. Hate them for shooting the dogs, pity them for getting involved in the unruly domestic disputes.

>> THese sniveling lawyers...

I’m all about repeal. Where do we begin?


22 posted on 02/11/2012 11:29:34 PM PST by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: SaraJohnson
The DOJ needs a big house cleaning.

More than that needs a housecleaning.

23 posted on 02/11/2012 11:32:22 PM PST by Noumenon ("I tell you, gentlemen, we have a problem on our hands." Col. Nicholson-The Bridge on the River Qwai)
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To: SaveOurRepublicFromTyranny

The current state of the FBI today is so that George Washington and Thomas Jefferson would be considered extremists and enemies of the government.


24 posted on 02/11/2012 11:42:34 PM PST by jeffc (Prayer. It's freedom of speech.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not much, but you will have the satisfaction of taking a few along with you !!


25 posted on 02/11/2012 11:55:42 PM PST by saintgermaine
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To: justa-hairyape

In reality it was nothing more than a scheme to extract more money from dumb people who fell for this crap.


26 posted on 02/11/2012 11:58:45 PM PST by saintgermaine
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To: SaveOurRepublicFromTyranny

How come nobody ever says “enemies of a *bad* government?”

When the government scorns the constitution, who are the bad guys? Its enemies, or its friends?


27 posted on 02/12/2012 1:21:12 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Gene Eric

Remember ,according to a Supreme Court ruling the “cops” do not have a responsibility to protect you .The quote is “ There in minutes when seconds count”. Police DO NOT prevent crime. If they did there wouldn’t be any.


28 posted on 02/12/2012 3:07:41 AM PST by Renegade
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To: SaveOurRepublicFromTyranny

This is a case of the employee dictating to the employer. I am sick and tired of hearing these agency heads and politicians mouthing off, THEY WORK FOR US AND WE NEED TO PUT THINGS BACK INTO PERSPECTIVE, GO NEWT


29 posted on 02/12/2012 3:37:56 AM PST by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: SaveOurRepublicFromTyranny
Believe In A Return To The Gold Standard?

Amen!

Oops, am I still allowed to say that word?

30 posted on 02/12/2012 3:38:42 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: SaveOurRepublicFromTyranny

Yeah,
And is that the same F.B.I. that over the years has let innocents go to jail for decades to cover for their murderer?
Or how about framing others?
Or how about looking the other way when a sitting president breaks the law?
The F.B.I. in many many ways is garbage.


31 posted on 02/12/2012 3:41:23 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: Gene Eric

The repeal starts in language. Either we are “for” a legal system based on criminalizing people for tax revenue purposes (drug war hypocrisy etc.) with a sister civil suit system (Tort, but if it fails resort to tax revenue criminalization), or we go back to the realm of the Declaration, which is a simple civil divorce, before things get uncivil.

However, the victim martyr culture is edging towards suicidal behavior, going to that point of no return, this “conspiracy theory” that the rich jerks are going to take from the poor at the end, with the poor ones deciding to strap on the suicide belt of Islam.

Are we going to live “the end of history” as Islam has been living it for the last 400 years? In the dark ages? With Obama?

Change? If people want change, they can move to Saudi Arabia and they will see change.

We have to wait and see and be ready at this point to take shelter or whatever when the whole thing goes bankrupt or default, one way or the other.


32 posted on 02/12/2012 4:07:13 AM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: SaveOurRepublicFromTyranny

So when the FBI protected Whitey Bulger for decades
THAT is a “good” thing,
but conservatives, who want security for the
United States of America are a danger?

The Entire FBI/DOJ is now reprehensibly odious.
Justice no longer means anything in America
unless you are CONNECTED to Obama, or are a ‘black’,
or terrorist, or Marxist or Communist
or a murderer-helper against the Constitution, like Holder.


33 posted on 02/12/2012 4:34:36 AM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: SaveOurRepublicFromTyranny
Hello FBI... I am an extremist I guess... I support the Gold Standard. Did you guys spend all of the Gold in Fort Knox yet? Hey nappytano... FU... hey holder.. FU... have you guys at Just-us canceled the First Amendment too?

LLS

34 posted on 02/12/2012 5:14:55 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Hey repubic elite scumbags... jam mitt up your collective arses!)
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To: SaveOurRepublicFromTyranny

They understand very well that there is much less need of government’s “services” and fewer opportunities for intimidation if the citizens own the money instead of the government.


35 posted on 02/12/2012 5:15:36 AM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: SaveOurRepublicFromTyranny
These extremists, sometimes known as "sovereign citizens," believe they can live outside any type of government authority

In the United States of America the people have retained the sovereignty in their own hands: they have in each state distributed the government, or administrative authority of the state, into two distinct branches, internal, and external; the former of these, they have confided, with some few exceptions, to the state government; the latter to the federal government.

Since the union of the sovereignty with the government, constitutes a state of absolute power, or tyranny, over the people, every attempt to effect such an union is treason against the sovereignty, in the actors; and every extension of the administrative authority beyond its just constitutional limits, is absolutely an act of usurpation in the government, of that sovereignty, which the people have reserved to themselves.
View of the Constitution of the United States

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Having the laws of government apply to the People is Constitutional treason.

At least according to the man who was appointed to the Supreme court by Madison.

36 posted on 02/12/2012 5:20:32 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am a ~Person~ as created by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as created by the laws of Man)
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To: TigersEye

Nixon ended the Gold Standard. The price of the US$ was 35 to one ounce of gold until He said we will no longer pay out gold at $35 per ounce.

At the time gold was fetching $40 per ounce and was leaving Fort Knox at a terrific rate. One could buy gold at for knox for $35 and sell it in New york or London for $40. He had no choice


37 posted on 02/12/2012 5:29:51 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: SaveOurRepublicFromTyranny

I think it is time to inject a little relevance into the thread.

The FBI is speaking of the J Orlin Grabbe’s of this world, if there are any left.

They founded a cyber nation with a cyber bank and a cyber currency the Rand that was gold based. The cyber nation had no geographical location. It was in the cloud. It could not be taxed or regulated by any government because it was no where and certainly not under the purvue of the FBI.

Alas, it all fell apart and mr Grabbe died at an early age. His thoughts, and he was brilliant, linger and are feared by the FBI


38 posted on 02/12/2012 5:37:14 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: SaveOurRepublicFromTyranny

They want you to put your money in equities so it’s easier to confiscate.


39 posted on 02/12/2012 5:43:49 AM PST by Track9 ("Strength through peace.. oh wait, I mean" Mit Romney)
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To: SaveOurRepublicFromTyranny

It appears the FBI is just an intrusive tool of the Left and has been for some time. If it expended as much energy on our internal enemies, instead of focusing on law-abiding citizens who express opinions, we would be far better off. Soon, if not already, comments like mine will put one on the “terror” list. I imagine tghere are many patriotic and rational FBI agents and I feel for them.


40 posted on 02/12/2012 5:56:27 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: SaveOurRepublicFromTyranny
>>Believe In A Return To The Gold Standard?
 
Nah, that's not extremist. It's just silly and unrealistic -- sort of like Ron Paul.
Don't need a Weatherman to see which way the wind blws -- here's what real extremists look like:
 
"Behind the Violence, Says Jane Alpert, Was Sex"

--November 09, 1981--
"The leaders of the Weather Underground, she believes, followed a similar pattern of constantly shifting sexual alliances..."

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20080637,00.html

"He [Bill Ayers] also writes about the Weathermen's sexual experimentation as they tried to 'smash monogamy.' The Weathermen were 'an army of lovers,' he says, and describes having had different sexual partners, including his best male friend."

Source: New York Times, September 11, 2001: "No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen"
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

"...the Weathermen, when not engaged in group sex, committed such revolutionary acts as parading with a Viet Cong flag through a local park on Independence Day and spray-painting the walls of a high school with the slogans, "Off the Pigs," "Viet Cong Will Win," and "F#$k U.S. Imperialism."..."

Campus Wars: The Peace Movement At American State Universities in the Vietnam Era

 

"What happens next bears watching closely, as does the response of the president, ex-Speaker Pelosi, and others on the left.  Encouraged by leftists in the Democratic Party and funded by left-leaning nonprofit organizations and celebrity contributors, Occupy Wall Street may in time morph into something resembling the radical factions of the late 1960s and 1970s."

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/10/predicting_the_weatherman.html

 

The Osawatomie Coincidence

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2818309/posts

 

 

F'em - and the 1968 VW Love-Jackwagon they rode in on.

41 posted on 02/12/2012 6:15:56 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: SaveOurRepublicFromTyranny
Believe In A Return To The Gold Standard? You Are Now Officially An Extremist According To The FBI

Anybody who believes in a return to the gold standard for money is an idiot; whether or not they are also an extremist is the least of their problems.

This book answers most of the questions which people have about the history and theory of money

42 posted on 02/12/2012 6:27:54 AM PST by varmintman
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To: bert

What would he think of the Quisling variation of Kudzu presently growing in Bulgarian exhile?

Was Grabbe an “Anonymouse” fan of Bwaddley Manning like Chad “I’m a Useful Idiot who expatriated my self to Russia” Hower?

FAIL.

He and his merry band of fans who parrot “programming is an artform that fights back” can all go to Hell — IN the box.


43 posted on 02/12/2012 6:34:17 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: SaveOurRepublicFromTyranny

I guess secessionists should be on that list too. We have passed the point of no return and ultimately the “Federal” problem will be solved with lead, not gold.


44 posted on 02/12/2012 6:39:09 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
We have passed the point of no return and ultimately the “Federal” problem will be solved with lead, not gold.

Here: We have passed the point of no return and ultimately the “Federal” problem will be solved, as Thomas Jefferson recommended, with lead, not gold.
45 posted on 02/12/2012 6:41:17 AM PST by aruanan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
*** What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army? (w/link) ***

Thanks for posting that link again. I kept meaning to save the original as a word doc but never have -- until now. So thanx again Vet. Now I can pass it on to the -- "we're doomed against them" -- naysayer and hand-wringing crowd.

If I have to go 'out that way', I'm going out with empty magazines.
[oh-oh, now I'm an extremist ;-)]

46 posted on 02/12/2012 6:42:29 AM PST by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: SaveOurRepublicFromTyranny

bookmark


47 posted on 02/12/2012 6:58:46 AM PST by Bon mots ("When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...")
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To: SaveOurRepublicFromTyranny

I don’t mind if the government calls me an extremist. You should hear what I call them.


48 posted on 02/12/2012 7:01:38 AM PST by muir_redwoods (No wonder this administration favors abortion; everything they have done is an abortion)
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To: jeffc

“The current state of the FBI today is so that George Washington and Thomas Jefferson would be considered extremists and enemies of the government.”

Well if you quote them you are considered a low level terrorist.


49 posted on 02/12/2012 10:13:55 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: jeffc

“The current state of the FBI today is so that George Washington and Thomas Jefferson would be considered extremists and enemies of the government.”

Well if you quote them you are considered a low level terrorist.


50 posted on 02/12/2012 10:14:10 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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