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VIDEO: Public School Official Says Parents Don't Know What School Is Best For Their Children
Youtube ^ | 2/13/2012 | CapCon

Posted on 02/13/2012 10:35:42 AM PST by MichCapCon

Debbie Squires of the Michigan Elementary and Middle School Principals Association speaks to the House Education Committee.

"Educators go through education for a reason. They are the people who know best about how to serve children. That is not necessarily true about an individual resident. Not saying that they don't want the best for their children, but they may not know what actually is best from an education standpoint."

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TOPICS: Education; Government; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: arth; educationists; homeschooling; indoctrination; publicschools; schools; unions; video

1 posted on 02/13/2012 10:35:45 AM PST by MichCapCon
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To: MichCapCon

Debbie can bite me... signed, A Homeschooler.


2 posted on 02/13/2012 10:40:38 AM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: MichCapCon

“Educators go through education for a reason. They are the people who know best about how to serve children...”

Debby is an ignorant sl...er...”educator”.

Of course, “ignorant educator” is an oxymoron.

There is no more worthless degree than one in “education”.


3 posted on 02/13/2012 10:43:53 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Da Coyote
There is no more worthless degree than one in “education”.

My wife and daughter are both bachelor and masters in ed and I think you're full of baloney.

4 posted on 02/13/2012 10:45:41 AM PST by nascarnation (DEFEAT BARAQ 2012 DEPORT BARAQ 2013)
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To: Da Coyote

Gasp, I have performed a massive bad.

I said, “Of course, ‘ignorant educator’ is an oxymoron.”

“Ignorant educator” is a redundency.

“Intelligent liberal” is an oxymoron.


5 posted on 02/13/2012 10:47:23 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: MichCapCon

Yep. That’s why our local public school didn’t want to do anything to help my daughter with special needs learn to read. They just wanted to give her accommodations and dumb down her expectations.

They didn’t even test her for dyslexia or auditory processing disorder.

I knew to get her tested. When she was found to have problems, I found the correct reading program for her at a private school. Now at 15, she had a 4.0 her first semester of high school in regular classes and she loves to read. In fact, if her grades drop, a lot of the time it’s because she spends too much time reading for pleasure.


6 posted on 02/13/2012 10:50:29 AM PST by luckystarmom
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To: MichCapCon
Their arrogance is unbelievable. My child was diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome and simply was not able to absorb the form of math teaching that they were offering called Everyday Math.

It eventually came down to a meeting where they wanted to continue to promote her grade wise (with a 30% F in math), and I refused. I actually had one of their math teachers tell me that they knew what was best for their child and that I should not challenge them because he had been to college to teach elementary math. Thank God my wife was there to restrain me.

I put my child into a private christian school the next week. My daughter graduates HS next years and is making a solid 90 to 95 percent in her pre-calculus class and is maintaining a 3.5 overall. It took us holding her back one year and retraining her for two years to forget the crap they taught her and retrain her with Saxon math.

7 posted on 02/13/2012 10:57:47 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: MichCapCon

This kind of institutional arrogance is what Mrs WBill and I saw when we were considering homeschooling.


8 posted on 02/13/2012 11:04:56 AM PST by wbill
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To: nascarnation

Depends on what they do.

If they are classroom teachers, the time would be better spent on more CONTENT SPECIFIC hours (math, science, etc.) rather than education courses.

Education courses focus on classroom management rather than
content.

Way back when, I only needed 12 hours of educ. courses and student teaching to get certified.

That number has gone up to the detriment of teachers actually better knowing their subjects by focusing on content hours. (IMO)


9 posted on 02/13/2012 11:07:04 AM PST by Mrs.Z
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To: MichCapCon
"Educators go through education for a reason. They are the people who know best about how to serve children. That is not necessarily true about an individual resident. Not saying that they don't want the best for their children, but they may not know what actually is best from an education standpoint."

The same type of mentality you get with this - "I am the only one in this room professional enough to carry the Glock 40" - at some point, said educator will wind up with a metaphorically similar result.

10 posted on 02/13/2012 11:11:51 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmitt in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: MichCapCon

Where not able to full-time homeschool because of our careers, but we have decided to pull out 4th grader out of the public school and send him to a highly credited Christian School in our area. It will cost $500 a month and I will have to make some sacrifices, but we are through with public schools. His education is worth it. His grades keep getting lower and lower, and are now in the “below standards” range on key subjects, yet they just keep passing him along. No more. We’re meeting with his teacher tonight and will slam the hammer down.


11 posted on 02/13/2012 11:27:27 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: MichCapCon
Pretty soon there will be no need at all for parents. Then we can be like Cuba, where our children are sent away to work for the State as soon as the State decides it's time. I want my old USA back. Where parents were the most important influence on their children and the State was only there to guarantee our freedoms. We have fallen such a long way as we watch the State take away so many of our freedoms.
12 posted on 02/13/2012 11:30:57 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: taxcontrol

I know what you mean anot Everyday Mathmatics. My son (also with Aspergers) could not grasp it. But the really ugly thing is, my wife and I also struggled helping him on his 2nd and 3rd grade math homework. The algorithms were foriegn to us. This year (4th grade) they did drop Everyday because of parents complaints, but because he learned nothing the last two years, we are playing catch-up.

Math Education: An Inconvenient Truth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr1qee-bTZI


13 posted on 02/13/2012 11:34:22 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: taxcontrol
Reading your story one more time I find it mirrors our exactly, except our son is now in 4th. See my post #11

Hopefully he will have the same success story as your daughter.

14 posted on 02/13/2012 11:39:49 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: originalbuckeye

Number 41 on the list of communist goals for America.

41) Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.


15 posted on 02/13/2012 11:54:32 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: nascarnation
My wife and daughter are both bachelor and masters in ed and I think you're full of baloney.

Perhaps you can share their higher education education apologetics with us instead of your argumentum ad hominem.

16 posted on 02/13/2012 12:17:05 PM PST by ALPAPilot
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To: NavyCanDo

I am glad that your school was willing to drop the Everyday Math. My daughter’s school was not. I was told point blank that they had spent over a million dollars on the corriculum and were not going to abandon it for just one chiled.

There is hope. If you can, get a Saxon Math book off the internet that is appropriate to your child’s understanding of Math. Perhaps 2nd grade ... whatever. Start with that and put in 30 min extra per day. Yes, I know the tears and the frustration for doing “extra” homework. We used bribes to get my daughter through it. Complete X problems / pages and you will have earned the right to do something that they like.

At first, I had to stay with her. I used a teaching method from the Boy Scouts called EDGE (Explain, demonstrate, guided, enable). First I would teach the technique and explain it. Often I would use symbols like triagles and squares to make the point. Then I would demonstrate on one of her problems. I had to teach her how to recognize a type of problem. Then guide her through doing a problem. Once she could talk and walk me through the problem, I would then let her do one on her own.

The key point was to show her at the end of the problems how I went back through and looked for her to proof read her own problems. I showed her step by step where she would make errors and how to correct them next time. Later as she became more skilled, I could simply identify which problems were incorrect and she would then go back and find her own mistakes. She was then required to show me her mistakes and how to do it properly.

Lots of time from me ... lots of tears from her. But it pays off now. She is now understanding (still not liking) math and only occationally comes to me for help.


17 posted on 02/13/2012 12:47:58 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: originalbuckeye

Nothing substitutes for liberty and freedom. That is especially true in education. I don’t know how many young Freepers with small children there are, but please take this advice. Take charge of educating your children via private or homeschool, no matter the cost. The freedom and liberty you feel when they are finished with school is immeasurable in my opinion.


18 posted on 02/13/2012 12:48:14 PM PST by taterjay
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To: MichCapCon

“Educators go through education for a reason. They are the people who know best about how to serve children. That is not necessarily true about an individual resident. Not saying that they don’t want the best for their children, but they may not know what actually is best from an education standpoint.”

Considering how many parents STILL think that public schools will educate their kids, she may just have a point.


19 posted on 02/13/2012 7:18:17 PM PST by BobL (I don't care about his past - Santorum will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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To: taxcontrol

“Their arrogance is unbelievable. My child was diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome and simply was not able to absorb the form of math teaching that they were offering called Everyday Math.”

I think that the others answered it already, but you don’t need Aspergers to not be able to learn from Everyday Math, you only need to be exposed to Everyday Math. It is a complete DISASTER.


20 posted on 02/13/2012 7:20:48 PM PST by BobL (I don't care about his past - Santorum will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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To: taxcontrol

“There is hope. If you can, get a Saxon Math book off the internet that is appropriate to your child’s understanding of Math.”

TOTALLY concur on Saxon. Every parent needs to do this, ESPECIALLY if their child’s ‘wonderful’ school is using Everyday Math.


21 posted on 02/13/2012 7:23:42 PM PST by BobL (I don't care about his past - Santorum will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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To: BobL

Saxon Math was horrble for my daughter with speech problems and a brain injury. It was too wordy and used strange vocabulary.

She managed with it in 4th and 5th grade, but by 6th it took way too long.

I think it may be ok to use as a reference for homeschooling, but not in the classroom.

Since going back to normal math, my daughter is once again doing well in math.

My husband and I are engineers, and when our kids were little we used to teach them math. My daughters first grade math teacher got upset with me because I was teaching them negative numbers. She thought it would mess them up. I ignored her. They understood it quickly,


22 posted on 02/14/2012 8:28:56 AM PST by luckystarmom
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To: MichCapCon; metmom

And I suppose she’s prepared to offer the public school system’s resounding success as proof of her position.


23 posted on 02/14/2012 10:48:35 AM PST by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: MichCapCon; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; Aggie Mama; agrace; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

24 posted on 02/14/2012 11:17:02 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: nascarnation; Da Coyote
DC: There is no more worthless degree than one in “education”.

nn: My wife and daughter are both bachelor and masters in ed and I think you're full of baloney.

He's quite correct. An education degree is totally useless for anything but being permitted to teach in public schools, it is useless in the real world, and is certainly no indicator of an ability to teach.

25 posted on 02/14/2012 11:21:26 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Oberon

I haven’t read past your comment yet, but it seems perfect already to me.


26 posted on 02/14/2012 1:35:22 PM PST by Shimmer1 (Take the high road, it's less crowded. (Mark Lowry))
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To: taterjay

I couldn’t agree more. We have 3 young children and they will NEVER set foot in a public school. Our children are the future and it is up to us to give them the tools to succeed, which public school cannot. We homeschool and it does involve sacrifice but I treasure the opportunity that God has given us in raising and educating our children.


27 posted on 02/14/2012 3:35:05 PM PST by AccountantMom
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To: MichCapCon

I wanted to see this and it appears they took the video down. Does anyone have it saved anywhere?


28 posted on 02/14/2012 4:22:33 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (KEEP YOUR LEGISLATORS ON SPEED DIAL AND TELL THEM TO GROW SOME)
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To: metmom; wintertime

It’s the height of arrogance. These same people see students being frustrated by busywork and bullied by peers. then claim that the students should be thankful for being forced to go to school.


30 posted on 02/14/2012 7:01:19 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (A chameleon belongs in a pet store, not the White House)
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To: luckystarmom

“Saxon Math was horrble for my daughter with speech problems and a brain injury. It was too wordy and used strange vocabulary.”

I’m sorry about your daughter’s particular case. I tend to speak in generalities regarding the kids out there (i.e., most don’t have to deal with what your deals with). I’m glad you got something to work...and congrats for telling the teacher to shove it - we need more of that.


31 posted on 02/14/2012 8:04:45 PM PST by BobL (I don't care about his past - Santorum will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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To: MichCapCon
Children in the public school system spend five days a week being taught messages other than the truth. Bradlee Dean talks about his public school experience as well as growing up in a broken family. His message is one every American teenager needs to hear. Watch the trailer for Bradlee Dean's "My War" documentary.
32 posted on 01/09/2013 9:22:40 AM PST by Ezbieta12
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