Skip to comments.Obama's Eligibility Diversion
Posted on 02/14/2012 3:17:10 AM PST by Flotsam_Jetsome
Having followed the Obama "natural born" citizenship quandary since its inception, I had always viewed the controversy over Obama's birthplace and other records as a diversion from the real issue: Obama's dual citizenship precluded his constitutional eligibility. My position was also influenced by my desire to elevate discussion on the inextricably related issue of birthright citizenship as a key component in effective immigration reform. Birthright citizenship is the practice of conferring U.S. citizenship to every baby born on U.S. soil, regardless of the nationality, domicile, or legal status of its parents. The practice, seen by many as an illegal immigration magnet, also often results in the dilemma of double allegiance, a "supra-citizen" status held by millions of Americans. Although the State Department rarely enforces its policies discouraging dual citizenship, it does recognize its security clearance implications. And the department confirmed that Obama was born a dual citizen.
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/02/obamas_eligibility_diversion.html#ixzz1mLwFXoEP
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
It must be really exhausting running around trying to hide the truth and keep up with all the lies about this man. I can't imagine how many people it takes.
In the society we live in, where we want to know every little detail about famous and infamous people, the people covering for him must feel like they are playing with that toy slime. You have two cups of slime and you're trying to contain it in a single cup. It just keeps spilling over and down the sides. As soon as you rake it up one side, it slimes down another.
Americans have a right to know any and everything about whoever is in the WH making the decisions that affect us and our descendants.
Delighted even Americanthinker publishes on this issue.
Until the lamestream wakes up and does the job, obozo will get away with it, or we vote out the usurper then prosecute him!
During the period 2003 - 2008 there we’re 8 Congressional attempts to remove the Aricle 2, Secion 1, Clause 5 requirement for a Presidential candidate to be a Natural Born citizen of the US. These attempts were mostly by Democrats, Vic Snyder of Arkansas, John Conyers of Michigan, and Claire McCaskill of Oklahoma. These were in the forms of resolutions to be developed into Constitutional amendments. They all were worded in various forms that the candidate only needed to be a US citizen for periods of 14 years, 20 years or 35 years. The question is why was all this activity initiated during the rise to power of Barack Obama?
Good article. Each week, month, year that has passed . . . still amazes AND saddens me. What is wrong with our Congress, judges, and the media? Are they really that afraid of a race war or riots? I hope the truth comes out one of these days before I die.
Is Obama eligible?" is a legitimate question. But so is "Who is Obama?" And further, "Who is backing him?"
Is Obama eligible?, is the threshold legal question and should be the center of focus. The other two questions are primarily political in nature and become nonissues in the event the former is answered in the negative (except as they may lead to a formal criminal investigation).
The threshold question includes at once both birthplace and the foreign father element. The former most likely will be resolved when a state finds the political courage to ask for certified birth documents delivered from HI. Failing that, we may be left hoping the 2013 Joint Session of Congress will do the job the 2009 Joint Session refused to do.
The second of the two inseparable elements, the foreign father, is not difficult to understand but, unfortunately,also depends on a Congress willing to honor its oath of office, or a rational decision from a politically split USSC.
As Andrew Breitbart recently stated, this is not your mother’s democratic party. Libs living a lie, and supporting one to the detriment of liberty and prosperity...
Occidental is not that big a college and it seems very strange that no one seems to remember him. Certainly other foreign students would have known his status and even other classmates would have had some knowledge of who he was. The only evidence of his time at Occidental were those photos of a cocky and arrogant looking young man in a Panama hat with a cigarette dangling from his lips. His time at Columbia and Harvard are also phantom like with again no one seeming to remember him. Obama seems to have a past that is largely a fabrication.
The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide. Barry Dunham
Wild Bill for America -
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What the Secret Service agents say about past and present Presidents.
The US State Dept. can _only_ “confirm” alleged US citizenship, _not_ UK citizenship.
Did the US State Dept. contact the UK Foreign Office and request confirmation that Barry was documented to be a UK subject at birth? There is no evidence of that.
Only the UK could “confirm” that Barry was born a UK subject. However, under the 1948 BNA, UK citizenship passes _only_ to the legitimate children of UK subjects, and children of bigamous marriages are _not_ legitimate and would _not_ be UK subjects at birth.
The State Dept. need only look in the INS files on BHO Sr. to find that Sr. was deported specifically _because_ his marriage to SADO was assumed to be a sham, given the documentation in the INS files that Sr. had a wife and children in Kenya.
Now these facts (INS docs on Sr. and bigamous marriage as the cause of deportation) have been entered into the court record as evidence in the GA eligibility case. This evidence of probable bigamy undermines the claim that Barry was born a UK subject at birth.
How many times does the “Pakistan Travel Ban” need to be debunked?
Oh, but nevermind THAT! Let us go with that bit of invented history and taken that as a given - assume he had a foreign passport - and then require evidence of a U.S. passport - all based upon a bogus claim from years ago that only the absolutely uninformed or ill-informed are still clinging too.
I state as fact that there was no requirement for him to have a passport OTHER THAN a U.S. passport to travel to Pakistan - because the supposed travel ban is an invention.
An invention that YEARS LATER - people still believe.
Why do they still believe that invention? Because they don't want to know the truth? Because speaking the truth gets rabid birther dogs sicked on them? Because birthers would rather hold onto an attractive lie than be confronted with the truth?
Why do birthers still believe in a Pakistan travel ban?
Because they are stupid?
Because they are uninformed?
Because birther sources lie to them?
What is the answer?
Attacking me isn't the answer.
To Mark Steyn: Citizenship, its rights and responsibilities, and presidential eligibility are more than merely “rinky-dink” technicalities.
As are voter id laws...
All is Well. Remain Calm
I can’t help but channel Kevin Bacon from Animal House while reading the news that 1.8 million dead people are registered to vote.
Remember: We don’t need Voter ID laws because our system is sound as...well, a dollar...
I guess this is the progressive’s strategy in getting a failed radical POTUS re-elected.
1. In 2008, Obama’s campaign web site confirmed that his status at birth was governed by British law.
2. INS makes distinction between a native-born and a natural-born citizen.
How do you explain that?
How do you know that Obama had US passport in 1981? Where is the evidence? There is none. It is your speculation that he travelled using US passport.
School records from Indonesia list Barry as Indonesian citizen. We also know that his name was erased from his mother’s US passport. How do you know that he did not use Indonesian passport?
I don’t think the bigamy changes anything. IF BO Senior was his biological father, it doesn’t matter whether they were married or not . . . whether he was a bastard . . . or illegitimate or whatever they called them back in the 1960’s. It just says two parents who are citizens, doesn’t matter their marital status. BHO Senior was still not an American citizen.
Wrong. At the time, Pakistan was allied with the US (and India was regarded as Soviet-leaning). Pakistan was safer for Americans then than it is now.
Occidental is not that big a college and it seems very strange that no one seems to remember him.
Obama seems to have a past that is largely a fabrication.
His commie background is more covered up than fabricated. The MSM refuses investigate it diligently, because they know its proper exposure would sink him. It will be interesting to see what Andrew Breitbart has.
How about You? Here is some truth.
“Because birthers would rather hold onto an attractive lie than be confronted with the truth?”
That one gets my vote.
This picture should be on billboards with the Heading “Are you a taxpayer?”
In 04 my Mom called me, she lives in South Florida with all other retired Mom’s, and asked me about the upcoming election. She is a died in the wool democrat. I said “Mom, Bush is left of JFK.” And went down the list....needless to say she is now a registered republican.
There is a picture of Zippo at Occi floating around somewhere. There is also a 999 social security number attached to him out there as well. Those were given to foriegn students receiving FA.
At this point, I don’t feel ANY revelations about Baraq would really affect his 2012 campaign.
This election will be about givers vs. takers. Can’t see the takers caring one whit if Baraq was a registered Communist and was on the payroll of the USSR in the 80s, or anything similar.
Using the “original intent” of the founders, IMO was to prevent a dual citizen from becoming CIC. If Barry is not a dual citizen under the BNA of 1948 which would explicitly exclude him from being a UK subject if he was illegitimate, then there would be no dual citizenship and no conflict with the founders intent.
Using “strict construction” of the Minor case NBC definition of "parents who are citizens" it could be inferred that SCOTUS could rule against Barry for having a non-US citizen sperm donor not legally married to his mother. But I would expect SCOTUS to go with original intent and not strict construction.
IMO, there is no on-point SCOTUS case matching the fact pattern of Barry's alleged birth circumstances and nationality of parents, especially since mothers were allowed to retain their own citizenship beginning in 1922 if they legally married an alien, which was not the case when MvH or WKA were decided.
The entire US legal and congressional establishment chose to nullify any insinuation that Barry was not NBC provided he was born in HI by virtue of his US citizen mother, analogous to a jury nullification of a law that the jury doesn't agree should be applied on a particular case. IMO, all federal courts, including SCOTUS would give Barry a Mulligan and declare him NBC...provided he was born on US soil.
Back to the thread.
. . . . Check out # 31 .
Thank you for the reply. I think I like the “strict construction” sperm donor scenario and rule against him the best. What a mess.
“2. INS makes distinction between a native-born and a natural-born citizen. How do you explain that?”
Barry and his campaign lie all day every day! Back in 2008, Barry was running on the narrative of “the improbable love” between his two parents made possible by the civil rights movement and Selma and other lies. It was crucial for his parents to actually BE married for this romantic narrative to resonate with the black community and liberals, despite the Ayers facilitated admission by Barry in Dreams that he wasn't sure his parents, actually were married.
IMO Barry's campaign decided that it was more valuable for his parents to be married and in love than it was risky for Barry to expose himself to charges that he was not NBC. So far this strategy has worked perfectly.
Yes, INS does make a distinction between native-born and NBC and nothing I have written contradicts that, or shouldn't.
Unfortunately for Barry, his behavior betrays consciousness of guilt that he was NOT born in the USA, and Sheriff Joe Arpaio could yet Barry removed from office if it can be proved that Barry knew he was not born in the USA and hid it.
Just posted a similar thought...
I for one, am truly shocked...
Attacking me isn't the answer.
I did not say even once that 0bama had a U.S. passport. I pointed out that the birther’s concocted reason for him needing an OTHER THAN U.S. passport is an easily debunked LIE.
Now why do birthers, three years after the fact, still go around believing easily debunked LIES!?!?!!?
Because rabid birther attack dogs are scicked on anyone who dares to mention the truth?
Because birthers are stupid?
Because they are uninformed?
Because birther sources lie to them?
Because they would rather believe an easily debunked lie than be confronted with the truth?
Attacking me isn't the answer.
Apparently other than that, you don't have an answer.
Are you incurious why obvious and blatant lies are still passed around like baseball cards among birhters?
I am curious.
I find it quite curious.
Are they just stupid, or attempting to discredit the movement by pretending to be stupid?
Seeings as how the most ludicrous racist and untruthful statements of anyone purporting to be a birthers are all held sacrosanct and the wagons circled around them by birthers - I would say that birthers are particularly vulnerable to such false flag operations.
“Did the US State Dept. contact the UK Foreign Office and request confirmation that Barry was documented to be a UK subject at birth? There is no evidence of that.
Only the UK could confirm that Barry was born a UK subject. However, under the 1948 BNA, UK citizenship passes _only_ to the legitimate children of UK subjects, and children of bigamous marriages are _not_ legitimate and would _not_ be UK subjects at birth.”
I did a UK FoIA request. But the UK government professed to know nothing.
In due time, the will pay for that lie.
Moreover I don't need to say that he had or has a U.S. Passport in order to point out that the “Pakistan Travel Ban” is an ignorant lie.
Why so much animosity when I point out the truth?
Attacking me isn't the answer?
Now why do birthers believe something obviously untrue about a Pakistan Travel ban?
Because if anyone dares to mention the truth they will get attacked by irrational idiots who lie about what they said?
Sure seems to be my experience!
"Barack was also worried about what his father would think because I was so young, but he gave us his approval. He sent my mother and father 14 cows for my dowry. "Barack's father was only a cook so it was a big sacrifice. Very soon after, we were married.
" That was January 1957. Kezia and Barack Snr set up home in Jericho, a section of Nairobi created for government employees, and began a family. First son Roy was born in March 1958. Kezia insisted:"Barack was a good husband.
" By the summer of 1959, he was bound for Hawaii, leaving Kezia three months pregnant with Auma. Kezia said: "I went with him to the airport. He gave me a cuddle and I was crying.
"He said, 'Bye bye, see you later when I come back.'
" Instead, Barack Sr met Barack Jr's mother, Ann, in Honolulu. She was an 18-year-old fellow student from Kansas and within months they were united in what appears to have been a bigamist marriage.
In the INS files, IIRC a U of HI administrator complains to INS that BHO Sr. is jumping co-eds even though he is known to be married back in Kenya and when questioned, he told the administrator that yes he was married, but he had used the expedient of a Muslim divorce by telling his wife three times "I divorce you."
There is no proof that BHO Sr. was a practicing Muslin and there is lots of evidence that he was a hard-drinking atheist. There is no evidence that his marriage to Kezia was Muslim (she reports it was tribal) and neither of his two children with Kezia were raised Muslim (Roy converted to Islam as an adult.
IMO, BHO Sr. was lying both about bein Muslim and about there being any divorce when he tried to justify jumping co-eds in HI. There is no evidence that BHO Srs. marriage to SADO was a Muslim plural marriage and it would have been illegal in HI if it was...and also an HI plural Muslim marriage (which it wasn't, IMO) would have been illegal back in Kenya because UK law doesn't recognize foreign marriages that are illegal where performed.
Further evidence of proof of the continuing marriage to Kezia is the letter in the Stanford archive written after the alleged marriage to SADO (1964?) in which BHO Sr. asked Tom Mboya to provide support his wife in Kenya.
The INS files show that INS and Harvard administrators believed so strongly that BHO Sr. was a predatory bigamist that this belief formed the basis for BHO Sr. being deported BEFORE he could complete his degree. The INS files also show BHO Sr. acknowledged Roy as his son, but NOT Barry, on one form (1964?).
All of this is strong circumstantial evidence that Kezia and BHO Sr. had a tribal marriage and there was never a divorce prior to his "marriages" to SADO or Ruth N.
I was going to warn you that if you didnt cease this Obottery of asking rational questions, I would be forced to post a derogatory picture.
But it looks like I have been beaten to the punch.
In 1961, Kenyatta was released from prison right before Barry was allegedly born (in Kenya?) and independence was a forgone conclusion.
Did you find out (or does anyone else know...) whether copies of birth records from Kenya Colony and Protectorate were routinely sent back to the UK, or were they simply retained in the colony?
On the off chance that Barry was born in HI (Ha!) and BHO Sr. acted to get him recognized as a Kenyan UK subject, would the records of that recognition be in both the UK and Kenya, or just in Kenya?
I am wondering whether the mystery trip of BNO Sr. to HI in 1971 involved getting Barry recognized as a Kenyan citizen...a citizen of the newly independent Kenya and NOT a UK colony.
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